If they want him, they can compete financially with anyone. People don't understand that they can push the money into forever, forever. They can do it for as long as they want.
Let that sink.
Smart teams, willing to spend, don't have a salary.
We could do it too.
Good teams push it until they aren't any good anymore. There are some exceptions of course, you can't pay EVERYONE BIG money, but you can pay the guys you need to pay, until you can't anymore. And usually at this point the team is fading and it's time to rebuild or reset things.
A lot of fans don't seem open to this but it's right there for any to see.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
We might have had a special unique circumstances with Coughlin and those 07 and 11 teams. Watching the team last year in the playoffs at Philly made that pretty clear.
In other words, we actually need a good talented team to win a SB now XD
A playoff game. But he’d be extremely valuable for the development of the young receivers.
I disagree - he'd keep the young receivers on the bench. What's best for their development is playing. Now - what's best for the Giants is having Hopkins at WR.
Hopkins outside, Waller inside and Barkley out of the backfield. Speed demons Hyatt, Slayton or Campell on the other side of Hopkins if you over-commit. That's a potentially great offense.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They haven’t had much talent at WR, either though.
The kind you hope gets lost at the airport,and you don't want on your football team
One of the odd things to me is why any starting WR associated with Joe Burrows is like an all-world WR. I'm thinking Burrow in some ways teaches and leads his WR well. Which I guess makes someone like Hopkins a little concerning hanging around with loser QBs and cultures all his career.
RE: RE: Maybe Hopkins doesn’t win the Giants a Super Bowl or even
A playoff game. But he’d be extremely valuable for the development of the young receivers.
I disagree - he'd keep the young receivers on the bench. What's best for their development is playing. Now - what's best for the Giants is having Hopkins at WR.
Hopkins outside, Waller inside and Barkley out of the backfield. Speed demons Hyatt, Slayton or Campell on the other side of Hopkins if you over-commit. That's a potentially great offense.
When has an entire Giants WR Corp stayed healthy? This isn’t prime Hopkins either. He’s like a 70% snap guy now a days if they want to keep him healthy.
You sign him. He is a HoF talent and immediately becomes our number one WR and arguably among the top three talents on the entire team. There is absolutely no reason not to do this. Every excuse I am seeing is pure nonsense.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
You sign him. He is a HoF talent and immediately becomes our number one WR and arguably among the top three talents on the entire team. There is absolutely no reason not to do this. Every excuse I am seeing is pure nonsense.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
It's not that it is a no-brainer. It's that there are more attractive destinations for Hopkins.
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
I'm not sure you are understanding me. You said you were tired of the "not one player away" argument. I am saying that came up in the past when people were talking about trading away our 1st-round pick. As I said, this is a different dynamic now.
What I'm saying is the "one player away" argument changes when draft picks are involved.
Where would you evaluate his talent compared to his peak years in those 70% of plays? I think what he does with the snaps is more important especially considering I expect the Giants to again be a run heavy team.
Where would you evaluate his talent compared to his peak years in those 70% of plays? I think what he does with the snaps is more important especially considering I expect the Giants to again be a run heavy team.
I think you can get 75% of prime Hopkins consistently enough.
You sign him. He is a HoF talent and immediately becomes our number one WR and arguably among the top three talents on the entire team. There is absolutely no reason not to do this. Every excuse I am seeing is pure nonsense.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
It's not that it is a no-brainer. It's that there are more attractive destinations for Hopkins.
Fair enough and I did see that DHop put out his favorite five quarterbacks and that is likely where he "wants" to go. BTW, it must have been truly shocking to many on this site that DJ wasn't included on his list...
But Schoen needs to pursue as hard as humanly possible anyway and make it clear that this would be a great destination for him, not because of the quarterback but because of the class of the organization. DHop has already had two "top rated" quarterbacks and it got him nowhere... DHop's thinking is flawed in this respect and Schoen needs to move heaven and earth to make that clear to him...
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
If you weren't too lazy to look it up on Over-the-cap or Spotrac, you'd know Slayton is getting less than $12 Million over two years, only counts $4 Million against this year's cap, and next year's money is not guaranteed.
Hopkins if they wanted to sign him. At this point Hopkins has are his millions and wants to go win somewhere. And Probably at a discount he won't offer the Giants.
If they want to give him good money he'd sign but that's not the smartest move. Is this team a D Hop away for a play off run?
We signed Slayton to 8/9M per. You don't think we could've used that money in better ways? We have Hodgins, who is our tall, jump-ball guy and we have Wan'Dale who is our shifty guy out of the slot. But since then, we added some more speedsters/HR threats in Parris Campell, Jamison Crowder, Jalin Hyatt, Jeff Smith and Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Slayton is redundant. Of course, we didn't know it at the time, but me thinks that if Schoen had an opportunity to do it over again, he would have used that Slayton money to address another position or two.
Like we did last year? We made it to the second round...
I don't think we should sign Hopkins, but that Slayton deal still sticks in my craw. Not a HUGE deal and there are certainly worse deals and players out there, but it just wasn't necessary. Same with Shepard, but at least Shepard's deal was a vet min. so he can easily be cut.
Not one part of his contract number you just spewed out his remotely correct. He signed a 2 year 12 million dollar contract with $4.9 guaranteed and a 2023 cap hit of $4.2 million.
The Giants can also get out after the year with $1.75 million in dead money and a $6 million savings. They gave themselves essentially an option year at a cheap number for next year (relatively speaking for a WR- if they keep him it means he earned it)
Until we start doing some of this ourselves we are effectively competing against teams with a higher cap in our own division. Smart drafting alone will not make up for it. I don't think I would do it for Hopkins but if he was the right player we could do it and should. I don't think he is the right fit in this system, he might be more like Golloday than himself here.
We want to find the quickness/speed mismatch on the field and exploit it. We like separation. It is smart, you have fill the field with quickness on D and we should be able to run on you. I think we compete for the division title. I am not kissing the ring.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They haven’t had much talent at WR, either though.
But I've been told over and over - and over again - that elite QB's (like Jackson supposedly is) elevate the players around him.
I don't mean to nitpick, but he's a couple of weeks from being 31.
...That is the makings of an actual NFL offense skill group and really only puts IOL as the only question mark offensively and they look to have landed a starter in JMS...
...That is the makings of an actual NFL offense skill group and really only puts IOL as the only question mark offensively and they look to have landed a starter in JMS...
Neal remains a huge question mark at RT.
Sure but show me an offense with NO holes or question marks? Every team has them. Point remains only thing we absolutely don’t have is a #1 wr. We are indeed close to being a very good group on offense
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
I'm not sure you are understanding me. You said you were tired of the "not one player away" argument. I am saying that came up in the past when people were talking about trading away our 1st-round pick. As I said, this is a different dynamic now.
What I'm saying is the "one player away" argument changes when draft picks are involved.
I get you. And to some extent I would agree, but I still hate that line of thinking, it just depends on the picks going back. Of course I am not going to trade 1-2 high picks for an older player with maybe 1-2 years left in him. No one would.
Like I said, NYG traded draft capital for Rob Carpenter. You don't have to be one player away to make a good trade and it doesn't necessarily need to help the team win a title to be considered a good trade.
He is about to turn 31 and is on the back 9 of his career. He wants to win a ring and our leadership is not going to get in a bidding war over this guy, for a year or two. I look at the Giants compared to other top NFC teams like SF / Philly and Hopkins isn’t going to get us past those two. A stud RT, now we’re talking. We have had a great offseason IMO and as everyone knows, Joe can’t completely fix this team in two off seasons. I simply would love a WR with his valid, even if it’s 75%? of himself but simply don’t think Joe is in the business of paying good money for him, after trading for Waller and trading up for WR.
why there were no teams offering anything for Hopkins. At this point, the Cardinals would have taken a 7th rounder for him.
Also, why did they just release him? It is either a very telling move based upon what they think of Hopkins, or they do not believe they can compete next year without their QB.
why there were no teams offering anything for Hopkins. At this point, the Cardinals would have taken a 7th rounder for him.
Also, why did they just release him? It is either a very telling move based upon what they think of Hopkins, or they do not believe they can compete next year without their QB.
Similar set up with NYG and Bradberry last year? Schoen was desperate to work a trade, JB was released
The Giants are doing their due diligence investigating this. I imagine every team is pondering it. That great catch against the Bills was in 2020. I imagine they’d like him here if the price is right.
Fair enough and I did see that DHop put out his favorite five quarterbacks and that is likely where he "wants" to go. BTW, it must have been truly shocking to many on this site that DJ wasn't included on his list...
To save $8M against the cap they're willing to take a $20M+ dead cap hit, and get rid of the only real weapon Kyler has? I know they're not going anywhere this year, but how badly do they need that $8M that they're not going to even try to field a competitive team? Glad we're NJ it them.
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
Herbert instead of Burrow on that list is a bit odd.
Let that sink.
Smart teams, willing to spend, don't have a salary.
We could do it too.
Good teams push it until they aren't any good anymore. There are some exceptions of course, you can't pay EVERYONE BIG money, but you can pay the guys you need to pay, until you can't anymore. And usually at this point the team is fading and it's time to rebuild or reset things.
A lot of fans don't seem open to this but it's right there for any to see.
In other words, stop.
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It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
In other words, stop.
We might have had a special unique circumstances with Coughlin and those 07 and 11 teams. Watching the team last year in the playoffs at Philly made that pretty clear.
In other words, we actually need a good talented team to win a SB now XD
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
I disagree - he'd keep the young receivers on the bench. What's best for their development is playing. Now - what's best for the Giants is having Hopkins at WR.
Hopkins outside, Waller inside and Barkley out of the backfield. Speed demons Hyatt, Slayton or Campell on the other side of Hopkins if you over-commit. That's a potentially great offense.
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Is he’s the Ravens to lose.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They haven’t had much talent at WR, either though.
I have not seen him in a couple years much but he was outstanding with Houston and then early with the Cardinals.
Pretty nice situation here if he still has enough left.
One of the odd things to me is why any starting WR associated with Joe Burrows is like an all-world WR. I'm thinking Burrow in some ways teaches and leads his WR well. Which I guess makes someone like Hopkins a little concerning hanging around with loser QBs and cultures all his career.
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A playoff game. But he’d be extremely valuable for the development of the young receivers.
I disagree - he'd keep the young receivers on the bench. What's best for their development is playing. Now - what's best for the Giants is having Hopkins at WR.
Hopkins outside, Waller inside and Barkley out of the backfield. Speed demons Hyatt, Slayton or Campell on the other side of Hopkins if you over-commit. That's a potentially great offense.
When has an entire Giants WR Corp stayed healthy? This isn’t prime Hopkins either. He’s like a 70% snap guy now a days if they want to keep him healthy.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
Legit contenders would could benefit from a 1 year contract
DeAH and OBJ, plus, would be interesting. At least some ticket sales.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
It's not that it is a no-brainer. It's that there are more attractive destinations for Hopkins.
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
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That's more than a bit disingenuous.
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
I'm not sure you are understanding me. You said you were tired of the "not one player away" argument. I am saying that came up in the past when people were talking about trading away our 1st-round pick. As I said, this is a different dynamic now.
What I'm saying is the "one player away" argument changes when draft picks are involved.
I think you can get 75% of prime Hopkins consistently enough.
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You sign him. He is a HoF talent and immediately becomes our number one WR and arguably among the top three talents on the entire team. There is absolutely no reason not to do this. Every excuse I am seeing is pure nonsense.
-Culture? Talent begets Winning and Winning begets Culture. Not the other way around. I direct those who believe that culture begets winning to review the annals of Joe Judge. DHop will elevate the play of the WR room by a mile and be a great mentor to our young and primarily unproven group. And those who say DHop is a diva ala OBJ or Antonio Brown are simply misguided. Take a look at his backstory to see what makes him tick. He is a future Hall of Famer and wherever he signs he and his team will flourish.
- Age? He is three months older than Waller and the same age as Plax when Giants won the super bowl in February 2008. DHop has plenty of years of solid play ahead of him. This is absolutely not an issue.
- Cost? He is slightly more expensive than that of our former number one receiver, Kenny Golladay. Nuff said.
- Cap? Simply not a problem with some restructurings.
This was a no brainer when a trade was being considered for a third and a fifth. Now it is gross malfeasance to not pursue him. Make it so Joe Schoen!
It's not that it is a no-brainer. It's that there are more attractive destinations for Hopkins.
Fair enough and I did see that DHop put out his favorite five quarterbacks and that is likely where he "wants" to go. BTW, it must have been truly shocking to many on this site that DJ wasn't included on his list...
But Schoen needs to pursue as hard as humanly possible anyway and make it clear that this would be a great destination for him, not because of the quarterback but because of the class of the organization. DHop has already had two "top rated" quarterbacks and it got him nowhere... DHop's thinking is flawed in this respect and Schoen needs to move heaven and earth to make that clear to him...
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
Hopkins doesn't strike me as the mentor type these days.
And isn't he looking for huge money? Like $20M/yr huge?
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Hopkins if they wanted to sign him. At this point Hopkins has are his millions and wants to go win somewhere. And Probably at a discount he won't offer the Giants.
If they want to give him good money he'd sign but that's not the smartest move. Is this team a D Hop away for a play off run?
We signed Slayton to 8/9M per. You don't think we could've used that money in better ways? We have Hodgins, who is our tall, jump-ball guy and we have Wan'Dale who is our shifty guy out of the slot. But since then, we added some more speedsters/HR threats in Parris Campell, Jamison Crowder, Jalin Hyatt, Jeff Smith and Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Slayton is redundant. Of course, we didn't know it at the time, but me thinks that if Schoen had an opportunity to do it over again, he would have used that Slayton money to address another position or two.
Like we did last year? We made it to the second round...
I don't think we should sign Hopkins, but that Slayton deal still sticks in my craw. Not a HUGE deal and there are certainly worse deals and players out there, but it just wasn't necessary. Same with Shepard, but at least Shepard's deal was a vet min. so he can easily be cut.
Not one part of his contract number you just spewed out his remotely correct. He signed a 2 year 12 million dollar contract with $4.9 guaranteed and a 2023 cap hit of $4.2 million.
The Giants can also get out after the year with $1.75 million in dead money and a $6 million savings. They gave themselves essentially an option year at a cheap number for next year (relatively speaking for a WR- if they keep him it means he earned it)
Ridiculous post.
We want to find the quickness/speed mismatch on the field and exploit it. We like separation. It is smart, you have fill the field with quickness on D and we should be able to run on you. I think we compete for the division title. I am not kissing the ring.
I'll stop saying it if everyone else stops saying, "Wink loves him!"
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Is he’s the Ravens to lose.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They haven’t had much talent at WR, either though.
But I've been told over and over - and over again - that elite QB's (like Jackson supposedly is) elevate the players around him.
Neal remains a huge question mark at RT.
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...That is the makings of an actual NFL offense skill group and really only puts IOL as the only question mark offensively and they look to have landed a starter in JMS...
Neal remains a huge question mark at RT.
Sure but show me an offense with NO holes or question marks? Every team has them. Point remains only thing we absolutely don’t have is a #1 wr. We are indeed close to being a very good group on offense
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That's more than a bit disingenuous.
There were people who were saying a month ago that the Giants should trade away their 1st round pick for Hopkins, a 30 year old receiver.
Given where we are in the rebuilding curve vis a vis the Eagles, we weren't "one player away."
This is a different situation now given he would not cost us Deonte Banks.
Could not agree more and I never ever ever advocated for trading big pieces for Hopkins but you have people on this very thread saying not to sign him because " we aren't one player away."
I wouldn't trade a first for Hopkins 2 years ago let alone now. I actually think he's more a glorified possession WR than a game breaking weapon but he's still a very good player.
I never said to trade a first for him. People here are saying don't sign him.
I'm not sure you are understanding me. You said you were tired of the "not one player away" argument. I am saying that came up in the past when people were talking about trading away our 1st-round pick. As I said, this is a different dynamic now.
What I'm saying is the "one player away" argument changes when draft picks are involved.
I get you. And to some extent I would agree, but I still hate that line of thinking, it just depends on the picks going back. Of course I am not going to trade 1-2 high picks for an older player with maybe 1-2 years left in him. No one would.
Like I said, NYG traded draft capital for Rob Carpenter. You don't have to be one player away to make a good trade and it doesn't necessarily need to help the team win a title to be considered a good trade.
Of course there are exceptions.
Also, why did they just release him? It is either a very telling move based upon what they think of Hopkins, or they do not believe they can compete next year without their QB.
Also, why did they just release him? It is either a very telling move based upon what they think of Hopkins, or they do not believe they can compete next year without their QB.
Similar set up with NYG and Bradberry last year? Schoen was desperate to work a trade, JB was released
So did Dexter. Do you see anyone complaining about locking him up long-term?
True. What we have here is garbage. Not even back-up material.
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Fair enough and I did see that DHop put out his favorite five quarterbacks and that is likely where he "wants" to go. BTW, it must have been truly shocking to many on this site that DJ wasn't included on his list...
Burrow is not on the list either. Just sayin'...
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
Herbert instead of Burrow on that list is a bit odd.