That would turn this O from has potential to very good. Saquon, Waller, Hopkins plus everyone else would be amazing. No WR we have should prevent interest.
You can never have enough offensive weapons for Dak
Hopkins would make their offense explosive as the Eagles
On top of a defense that is top 10
JJ isn’t getting any younger and his desire for a SB is unquestionable
yes adding Hopkins would be exciting, no I wouldn't do it for the money he probably wants. You'd be sacrificing resigning someone, assuming you'd have to restructure someone else and on go the dominoes for a one year rental.
RE: RE: or he would serve as a 1 year mentor for Hyatt
Hopkins doesn't strike me as the mentor type these days.
And isn't he looking for huge money? Like $20M/yr huge?
Not saying he’d come for league minimum but you don’t need a huge contract to get him. He still has that guaranteed money coming his way. I think it’s like 23 million. At this point in his career I think he’s probably ring hunting this year and next year probably look for one more big payday
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
Herbert instead of Burrow on that list is a bit odd.
My guess would be because the Bengals already have two top receivers, so he'd get limited touches as a result. The Bengals aren't exactly known as big spenders either; combine that with the fact that Joe Burrow isn't on his 2nd contract yet, and it's not an ideal fit for him. He's not after winning per se. He's after the bag, with winning being a nice side dish. The main course is most definitely the $$$.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They brought in Todd Monken this year, the narrative around the team is that they are going to air it out. They're not gonna run Lamar like they used to after making him the highest paid QB in football. I personally believe Lamar is a waaay better passer than the average fan realizes. He's not Mahomes or Burrow but he's a good NFL passer.
It doesn't even matter what I or anybody else thinks about Lamar, if Hopkins has faith in him as a thrower and he's up to speed on what Monken wants to do, it will be an attractive destination.
Jackson into a passing QB it’s going to be really bad. He just isn’t that kind of player.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
last year he had worse receivers than the nyg and no running game, a beat up OL, and still carried that offense with strong passing numbers. his receivers dropped like 4 or 5 tds in 1 game.
im not sure they can fit hopkins in since he will probably get a deal not far off the one they gave obj from someone, but if he is willing to take a discount to go to an ideal situation that would probably be one. buffalo or kc the others.
Jackson into a passing QB it’s going to be really bad. He just isn’t that kind of player.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
He was drafted 5 years ago. He’s a better passer now than when he entered the league and has made that progress never having an alpha WR. Getting Hopkins would make running and passing easier for Jackson.
Last year, he averaged 5.71 yards of cushion per target, the best rate in the league. The guy knows how to get open. So yes, he's not and never has been the guy with the elite RAS athleticism. So while most older players slow down, his speed has never been his selling point. Age will not affect him as much as other receivers. So let's not debate whether we could use him. We certainly could. The only issue is can we afford him?
affording him is 1 problem but so is the numbers game
hodgins was the teams best receiver last year, so i think it's safe to assume he'll play well enough to be in the top 3 this year.
campbell took a 1 year deal here and judging by the size of it, he had options and took that deal expecting to get playing time and targets assuming he's healthy.
they gave slayton a pretty healthy 2 year deal.
they drafted both robinson and hyatt high for a reason and once healthy they are unlikely to be cut or scratched.
add in the fact that waller is likely to be a 100+ target player if healthy, and it's just a crowded receiving room.
if they have the $, from the nyg perspective that may not matter but from hopkins perspective im sure he would prefer to take a 1 year deal somewhere where he can step right into the kind of 100-150 target role he's always played to earn himself a bigger deal next offseason which will likely be the last big contract he gets. kc, buffalo, baltimore each make a lot of sense if they can find the $. carolina and detroit could make sense too and both already have the $.
He would be a very good veteran for Hyatt to work with
Jackson into a passing QB it’s going to be really bad. He just isn’t that kind of player.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
It's wild to see posters try to knock Baltimore's offensive scheme without realizing that the underpinnings of the Giants' offense aren't completely different (they both utilize a mobile QB, are fundamentally run-game-dependent, and have their TE operating as WR1).
Going a step further, the Eagles run a similar scheme to Baltimore, at least in terms of college option concepts and dual-threat QB play - how is that not sniffing a Super Bowl?
make their offense a pass first offense, and limit LJ running. I think that's a disaster in the making. His passing has ALWAYS worked off of his threat to run. Having him drop back, read a defense and throw is a completely different animal. His throwing motion is a bit funky, he has NEVER shown he can do more than 1st read then run. Good luck to them!
make their offense a pass first offense, and limit LJ running. I think that's a disaster in the making. His passing has ALWAYS worked off of his threat to run. Having him drop back, read a defense and throw is a completely different animal. His throwing motion is a bit funky, he has NEVER shown he can do more than 1st read then run. Good luck to them!
They aren’t going to stop running him, lol. They are going to be more strategic about it.
make their offense a pass first offense, and limit LJ running. I think that's a disaster in the making. His passing has ALWAYS worked off of his threat to run. Having him drop back, read a defense and throw is a completely different animal. His throwing motion is a bit funky, he has NEVER shown he can do more than 1st read then run. Good luck to them!
The threat of Jackson running will lag for quite a while behind even a substantial reduction in rushing attempts. His physical ability makes him a threat to run, regardless of the scheme - I suspect Baltimore is counting on defenses still having to spy Jackson, and they'll certainly have a few plays in their pocket to exploit any defense that treats Jackson as a pocket passer.
Hopkins if they wanted to sign him. At this point Hopkins has are his millions and wants to go win somewhere. And Probably at a discount he won't offer the Giants.
If they want to give him good money he'd sign but that's not the smartest move. Is this team a D Hop away for a play off run?
We signed Slayton to 8/9M per. You don't think we could've used that money in better ways? We have Hodgins, who is our tall, jump-ball guy and we have Wan'Dale who is our shifty guy out of the slot. But since then, we added some more speedsters/HR threats in Parris Campell, Jamison Crowder, Jalin Hyatt, Jeff Smith and Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Slayton is redundant. Of course, we didn't know it at the time, but me thinks that if Schoen had an opportunity to do it over again, he would have used that Slayton money to address another position or two.
Like we did last year? We made it to the second round...
I don't think we should sign Hopkins, but that Slayton deal still sticks in my craw. Not a HUGE deal and there are certainly worse deals and players out there, but it just wasn't necessary. Same with Shepard, but at least Shepard's deal was a vet min. so he can easily be cut.
No. They signed Slayton to two years at 6 million. Pretty much what a WR who is a your 3rd or 4th guy would get on any team. My assumption is Schoen and Daboll like him. He was forced to take a pay cut. Never bitched and was of the reasons The offense did anything last year. He's who is But if the team wanted D Hop that contract in no way would stop them.
The contracts like Golloday's are why the money is short. And not needlessly extending Adore and Leo are the issue. Like both those guys but both are always dinged up. Do you want to give those guys 2-4 years to sign Hopkins?
And I'm ok you hating that contract lol. But again it's not the reason they can't sign Hopkins.
And not needlessly extending Adore and Leo are the issue. Like both those guys but both are always dinged up. Do you want to give those guys 2-4 years to sign Hopkins?
And I'm ok you hating that contract lol. But again it's not the reason they can't sign Hopkins.
Leo is not always dinged up. Last year was unusual, but of course a DT playing 85% of the snaps is likely to get dinged. I believe he missed one game, maybe two in his career until last year. Leonard Williams stats - ( New Window )
i'm ok with a contract offer but no way I'd be picking up his current deal. And tbh i'd rather stick with WRs we have this year and then be more aggressive next year if an opportunity presents itself.
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He wants to play with one of the top QB’s
True. What we have here is garbage. Not even back-up material.
Has he named Jones as one of the QBs he WANTS to play with?? If so, I missed it being reported
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He wants to play with one of the top QB’s
True. What we have here is garbage. Not even back-up material.
Whatever you say
I doubt it happens but would love it.
Why not? Were the 2007 Giants Superbowl contenders?
Hopkins would make their offense explosive as the Eagles
On top of a defense that is top 10
JJ isn’t getting any younger and his desire for a SB is unquestionable
Sounds like him and his contract wasn't even worth a conditional 7th.
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Hopkins doesn't strike me as the mentor type these days.
And isn't he looking for huge money? Like $20M/yr huge?
Not saying he’d come for league minimum but you don’t need a huge contract to get him. He still has that guaranteed money coming his way. I think it’s like 23 million. At this point in his career I think he’s probably ring hunting this year and next year probably look for one more big payday
Eagles - he is not going to a team to be the 3rd WR. Guys like him do not do that, despite what he says. If he was 35 it is different
Bills - already have Diggs who bitches he already is not getting the ball enough even though the team is really good
Chargers - already have K. Allen, M. Williams and drafted Johnston
Chiefs - won a SB without him. He does not fit their type of WR which is quick elusive type
Ravens - seems the most likely, but they have 2 1st rd WR picks in Bateman and Flowers the last 3 years. They signed OBJ and Agholor
Other good teams already have players at WR: Bengals, Cowboys, SF, even Den, Sea have WRs
Who could be a good fit: Lions, Rams,
Watch him go to the Raiders
Dallas Cowboys
2/1
Kansas City Chiefs
4/1
New England Patriots
5/1
Buffalo Bills
6/1
Philadelphia Eagles
7/1
Baltimore Ravens
8/1
New York Giants
9/1
Chicago Bears
12/1
New York Jets
14/1
Cleveland Browns
16/1
Jacksonville Jaguars
18/1
Green Bay Packers
20/1
Los Angeles Chargers
20/1
Las Vegas Raiders
25/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
25/1
which we need much more than a name on offense.
which we need much more than a name on offense.
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On a recent appearance on the “I Am Athlete” podcast, free-agent WR DeAndre Hopkins listed the five QBs he’d most like to catch passes from: the Bills’ Josh Allen, the Eagles’ Jalen Hurts, the Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes, the Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and the Chargers’ Justin Herbert. Link - ( New Window )
He obviously wants to play w the best of the best at QB. Surprised no Burrow on that list
Herbert instead of Burrow on that list is a bit odd.
My guess would be because the Bengals already have two top receivers, so he'd get limited touches as a result. The Bengals aren't exactly known as big spenders either; combine that with the fact that Joe Burrow isn't on his 2nd contract yet, and it's not an ideal fit for him. He's not after winning per se. He's after the bag, with winning being a nice side dish. The main course is most definitely the $$$.
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Is he’s the Ravens to lose.
It shocks me any WR would want to play for the Ravens. They are a run first team. They have had one WR put up over 1k yards since Jackson became the starter in 2018. That was Marquise Brown with 1,008 yards in 2021. Mark Andrews also had 1,300 yards at TE that year. No receiver or TE over 1k yards in 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2022.
They brought in Todd Monken this year, the narrative around the team is that they are going to air it out. They're not gonna run Lamar like they used to after making him the highest paid QB in football. I personally believe Lamar is a waaay better passer than the average fan realizes. He's not Mahomes or Burrow but he's a good NFL passer.
It doesn't even matter what I or anybody else thinks about Lamar, if Hopkins has faith in him as a thrower and he's up to speed on what Monken wants to do, it will be an attractive destination.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
im not sure they can fit hopkins in since he will probably get a deal not far off the one they gave obj from someone, but if he is willing to take a discount to go to an ideal situation that would probably be one. buffalo or kc the others.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
He was drafted 5 years ago. He’s a better passer now than when he entered the league and has made that progress never having an alpha WR. Getting Hopkins would make running and passing easier for Jackson.
campbell took a 1 year deal here and judging by the size of it, he had options and took that deal expecting to get playing time and targets assuming he's healthy.
they gave slayton a pretty healthy 2 year deal.
they drafted both robinson and hyatt high for a reason and once healthy they are unlikely to be cut or scratched.
add in the fact that waller is likely to be a 100+ target player if healthy, and it's just a crowded receiving room.
if they have the $, from the nyg perspective that may not matter but from hopkins perspective im sure he would prefer to take a 1 year deal somewhere where he can step right into the kind of 100-150 target role he's always played to earn himself a bigger deal next offseason which will likely be the last big contract he gets. kc, buffalo, baltimore each make a lot of sense if they can find the $. carolina and detroit could make sense too and both already have the $.
This was always why teams passed on him early. You’d have to build a college style O like BAL did, and they rode it about as far as you could. Which is not sniffing a Super Bowl.
It's wild to see posters try to knock Baltimore's offensive scheme without realizing that the underpinnings of the Giants' offense aren't completely different (they both utilize a mobile QB, are fundamentally run-game-dependent, and have their TE operating as WR1).
Going a step further, the Eagles run a similar scheme to Baltimore, at least in terms of college option concepts and dual-threat QB play - how is that not sniffing a Super Bowl?
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and I heard he is willing to renegotiate.
Sounds like him and his contract wasn't even worth a conditional 7th.
That's kind of the head scratcher, Balt couldn't even swing a swap of 7th round picks for him?
They aren’t going to stop running him, lol. They are going to be more strategic about it.
The threat of Jackson running will lag for quite a while behind even a substantial reduction in rushing attempts. His physical ability makes him a threat to run, regardless of the scheme - I suspect Baltimore is counting on defenses still having to spy Jackson, and they'll certainly have a few plays in their pocket to exploit any defense that treats Jackson as a pocket passer.
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Hopkins if they wanted to sign him. At this point Hopkins has are his millions and wants to go win somewhere. And Probably at a discount he won't offer the Giants.
If they want to give him good money he'd sign but that's not the smartest move. Is this team a D Hop away for a play off run?
We signed Slayton to 8/9M per. You don't think we could've used that money in better ways? We have Hodgins, who is our tall, jump-ball guy and we have Wan'Dale who is our shifty guy out of the slot. But since then, we added some more speedsters/HR threats in Parris Campell, Jamison Crowder, Jalin Hyatt, Jeff Smith and Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Slayton is redundant. Of course, we didn't know it at the time, but me thinks that if Schoen had an opportunity to do it over again, he would have used that Slayton money to address another position or two.
Like we did last year? We made it to the second round...
I don't think we should sign Hopkins, but that Slayton deal still sticks in my craw. Not a HUGE deal and there are certainly worse deals and players out there, but it just wasn't necessary. Same with Shepard, but at least Shepard's deal was a vet min. so he can easily be cut.
No. They signed Slayton to two years at 6 million. Pretty much what a WR who is a your 3rd or 4th guy would get on any team. My assumption is Schoen and Daboll like him. He was forced to take a pay cut. Never bitched and was of the reasons The offense did anything last year. He's who is But if the team wanted D Hop that contract in no way would stop them.
The contracts like Golloday's are why the money is short. And not needlessly extending Adore and Leo are the issue. Like both those guys but both are always dinged up. Do you want to give those guys 2-4 years to sign Hopkins?
And I'm ok you hating that contract lol. But again it's not the reason they can't sign Hopkins.
And he wants huge $$$, even though nobody was willing to trade for him at under 20M. We’ll see
And I'm ok you hating that contract lol. But again it's not the reason they can't sign Hopkins.
Leo is not always dinged up. Last year was unusual, but of course a DT playing 85% of the snaps is likely to get dinged. I believe he missed one game, maybe two in his career until last year.
Leonard Williams stats - ( New Window )