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Which positions on the Giants are most improved?

Marty in Albany : 5/27/2023 1:40 pm
Currently, we don’t know much about our rookies, or the health status of our veterans, and there is nothing particularly interesting going on. So who can blame us if we let our imaginations run a little wild?

Here’s my question:

Has any position on the Giants improved so much, that instead of releasing a player, we might actually be able to trade him for a draft choice, even if it is only a humble 7th rounder?
Probably  
Bill in UT : 5/27/2023 2:01 pm : link
not. The only places where we've got a bunch of guys competing are WR and CB, but I wouldn't bet the also-rans could get us a draft pick. But maybe
On paper?  
Big Blue '56 : 5/27/2023 2:05 pm : link
JMS with the OL, Eric Gray with RB, WRs, TEs, all the D..Just think how much we’ve reinforced this pist season. Again, on paper
past  
Big Blue '56 : 5/27/2023 2:06 pm : link
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Eric said in a post this week  
Dave on the UWS : 5/27/2023 2:10 pm : link
compare the rosters top to bottom now with this time last year. MAJOR difference. Schoen has done a really good job of upgrading the roster to a competitive level. Philly and KC level? probably not. but very possibly in the Tier below that.
We addressed every position that needed it.....  
MOOPS : 5/27/2023 2:42 pm : link
except G and ER, and those should improve as our current players mature. Every place else we should be noticeably better. The most thought and effort probably went into WR.
I doubt they can get anything  
Gman11 : 5/27/2023 3:04 pm : link
for their scrubs, but it appears that potentially they improved quite a bit. Whether that comes to fruition once the games start is another matter. Plus, that freaking injury bug always gets in the way.

What were their biggest deficiencies last year? I would say OL, LB, CB, TE, WR.

They have a potential starter now at C and if Neal can show improvement in his second year DJ won't know how to act by having time to throw.

LB they addressed in free agency and should be a big (BIG!) improvement.

CB I'm always skeptical about a rookie coming in and being dominant at CB. Maybe it was the busts that Apple and Baker became. If Banks can come in and be steady that would be an improvement.

TE - Bellinger is pretty good, but when he went down there wasn't a whole lot of production out of the backups. Now, with Waller in there they have a weapon with Bellinger as a very competent backup.

WR was a set of backups forced to be starters. I'm not sold on Campbell coming in and being a Pro-Bowler, but he and Hyatt are improvements over guys like James.

So, yeah, I'd say the team has potential to be much improved over last year.
CB, OL, WR  
BSIMatt : 5/27/2023 3:08 pm : link
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The fact that they will be releasing decent players is a hell  
George from PA : 5/27/2023 3:46 pm : link
Of an accomplishment!!!!

Trading for draft picks is not likely....unless it's a core player for cap, like Adoree Jackson and I can not see that happening either.

Edge is only position a little more depth would be nice....
Probably more important than a “position”  
eli4life : 5/27/2023 3:53 pm : link
But team speed has improved dramatically
Marty: On paper, yes, but most improvements are unknowns because  
Ivan15 : 5/27/2023 3:53 pm : link
There are so many players returning from injuries and key draft picks. Ask this question again just before final cutdown.

I would be happy if there is an unquestioned starter at every position. Next year.
Thanks, for the posts. I pretty much agree with all of them.  
Marty in Albany : 5/27/2023 4:50 pm : link
It's pretty certain that the old injuries won't all heal by Day One, if at all.

Hopefully, any new injuries won't be as devastating as last year because of our improved depth.

I can't wait for training camp to start!
DT  
JayBid : 5/27/2023 6:16 pm : link
Depth at DT is and the addition of Waller are tremendous upgrades that can not be taken lightly.
TE  
Spider43 : 5/27/2023 6:34 pm : link
Duh.
Easy  
Jay on the Island : 5/27/2023 6:57 pm : link
CB
WR
TE
RB
C
DT
ILB

An argument could be made that the Giants are also better at Guard, RT, and OLB with the maturity and likely improvements of Ezeudu, Neal, Thibodeaux, and Ojulari.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/27/2023 6:57 pm : link
Yeah, I think TE is the obvious answer with the addition of Waller.
Our te group is top notch as is our dl  
Ira : 5/27/2023 9:10 pm : link
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I think the team has improved overall  
Rudy5757 : 5/27/2023 11:03 pm : link
But more than likely the guys that will get pushed off the roster are guys that are marginal NFL talent. I think a guy like Holmes could be traded mainly due to Banks. Holmes is on the last year of his contract and that may be an opportunity. He may not be a guy they cut but could be a trade option because of circumstances. Has value but not in the long term plans.

It’s a very young team overall, I’m not sure we have the trade bait yet. I would look at guys drafted prior to this regime and nearing the end of their contract. We have a ton of WRs but not sure they would be valued by other teams. We may have an OL that someone will want.

One thing is that we will be cutting some guys that would have started for us last year which is a good thing.
WR TE CB  
xman : 5/27/2023 11:17 pm : link
Foremost. Then LB OL.
RE: WR TE CB  
ElitoCanton : 5/28/2023 12:02 am : link
In comment 16124224 xman said:
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Foremost. Then LB OL.


I'd add DL to this list. Two very good run stuffers to replace a bunch of crap after our top 2 last year.
The D-line…  
2ndroundKO : 5/28/2023 12:50 am : link
Top to bottom, has improved significantly. Adding Robinson and Nunez-Roches to Dexy and Leo is big.

The TE group has as well too. Just one year ago, we were optimistic about Bellinger developing into a good starting TE. I still have high hopes for him but now he’s TE2 because in front of him is a guy in Waller who could be the straw that stirs the passing attack. That’s a tremendous step up.
I think the team has improved significantly.  
Giant John : 5/28/2023 7:17 am : link
Which is good because the schedule is a tough one. Our conference teams have improved as well.
WRT the possibility of trading players who would otherwise be cut...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/28/2023 7:58 am : link
... teams seem to sort into two broad categories in September:
1) Their cuts generate no interest, even on the waiver wire;
2) Some of their cuts get claimed, and they may even salvage compensation for players they would have cut.

The Giants have been in the first category pretty consistently for years. The Jets were among the top teams in Category 2 last year, with four players claimed by other teams. Jason Pinnock was among the four. Within Category 2, trade opportunities are a case-by-case proposition, where one team is overloaded at a position and another team - usually a good one with a low waiver position - has a hole, and figures it's worth a late pick (often a conditional one) to bypass the waiver queue.

I doubt there will be much of a market for the Giants' prospective cuts. Although their 12th DB, 7th WR, 4th RB or 6th DL might be a legitimate NFL player, the Zyon Gilberts, Collin Johnsons, Gary Brightwells, and D.J.Davidsons (or whoever those guys beat out) will be competing with hundreds of comparable talents. One name that comes to mind in this context is Darnay Holmes, who might be a better fit in a different system, and who plays a position that is always in demand.

The factor we can't predict at all is the holes that will inevitably develop on other rosters as injuries hit during the summer.
Thanks BBB.  
Marty in Albany : 5/28/2023 9:13 am : link
Insightful post.
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christian : 5/28/2023 9:39 am : link
I think the battle for the backend of the offensive line depth chart produces a cut that ends up on a roster.

My guess right now is Phillips would make the cut over Lemieux because he can play guard and tackle. But both of those guys would make a roster.

RE: ...  
Klaatu : 5/28/2023 9:51 am : link
In comment 16124253 christian said:
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I think the battle for the backend of the offensive line depth chart produces a cut that ends up on a roster.

My guess right now is Phillips would make the cut over Lemieux because he can play guard and tackle. But both of those guys would make a roster.


According to Pat Traina, Lemieux was lining up at Center with OL2 this past week. Speculation on her part was that the Giants were trying to find a spot for him. My guess is they won't. I think they're higher on Bredeson and Ezeudu.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 5/28/2023 10:02 am : link
In comment 16124255 Klaatu said:
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According to Pat Traina, Lemieux was lining up at Center with OL2 this past week. Speculation on her part was that the Giants were trying to find a spot for him. My guess is they won't. I think they're higher on Bredeson and Ezeudu.


I'll contradict myself for a moment, and posit maybe Hassenauer is the least versatile IOL and he could lost out to Lemieux who can play guard and center.

If I had to guess today the 9 are:

Thomas/Ezeudu/JMS/Glowinksi/Neal

Phillips, Bredeson, Hassenauer, McKethan
Definitely the wide receiver position.  
barens : 5/28/2023 10:20 am : link
If the offensive line improves at all, then we will see the receivers look so much better. And compared to early last year, when they were rolling out Sills, Shepard and Richie James against Dallas, I like what they've got much better at the start of the training camp.
DL  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/28/2023 11:33 am : link
Some of the players added have a demonstrated history of good performance. Hopefully that plays out here.

Waller gives the Giants a upper tier plus option on the outside which is the first one since pre-injured OBJ. That's significant imv.

Most of the issues last season were rooted in a not good enough OL/front 7. Just like for most of the last decade.

I feel good about the front 7. The OL is just going to have to prove it outside Thomas.

Hopefully the WR's added are a big upgrade. Wink looked happy with his corner.

Lot of young players were already on the roster from the past several years. Improvement will also come from those players advancing imv.
RE: We addressed every position that needed it.....  
Wildcardgiants : 5/28/2023 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16124129 MOOPS said:
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except G and ER, and those should improve as our current players mature. Every place else we should be noticeably better. The most thought and effort probably went into WR.


And I'm hoping we don't have to go to the ER too often this season... (haha)
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