not mad you posted it but it’s been posted before and lost in all the “Barkley is stupid for not taking the contract” or “Barkley can be easily replaced” posts.
Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
RE: RE: Holy crap! I've been deceived by my lying eyes.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
Barkley was a hell of a lot better in this area in 2022
...and yes he struggled early in his career (and wasnt healthy all that much in between),
The two points arent mutually exclusive. Those of you who are dug in and dont think a player can get better after making up your mind is worthless.
Watch the film from last year - he had a ton of reps in pass pro every game, and he did his job very well. He doesnt need to be a stonewall, but his whiffs from 2018-19 were cleaned up. Proud of the guy.
Saquon most certainly improved last year as a pass protector.
Just like he most certainly had a great deal to improve on it since it was a clear weakness in his game. Whether he is the best in the NFL I really don’t know but seems like a stretch. And I don’t really care as long as he uses 2022 as his benchmark versus prior years.
He did get better as a pass protector last season, but I had no idea
than prior years. I don't know how he compares to other premium backs in this department. But he was much better than the previous versions of himself.
Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
LOL this is exactly what PFF isn't. It's not about the obvious, it's next level. It's not that he "dropped 3 passes." It's he "dropped three catchable passes and made 9 high degree of difficulty catches." It's what make regular stats look like lazy analysis.
What's misleading, I think, is that if we opt for a quick-hit passing attack because our protection is poor, Saquon catches a break not because he's doing a great job blocking but because we simply opt not to hold onto the ball for long.
Saquon is getting a break from the ball coming out sooner, but upon looking at the PFF video again, the expected time standards are factored into the analysis (as well as other crucial factors), so maybe, just maybe, their not as stupid as many of us think they are.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
Formulating a narrative, sometimes based on group think, then substantiating that belief by ignoring any evidence to the contrary, focusing only on the positive reinforcement of your narrative is quite popular today, and not just on BBI or the topic of sports
It is so subjective yet they give an absolute score. And I have a subscription to PFF. I use PFF more for looking at upcoming opponents on a lot of players I don't know much about. PFF gives me a general idea of how good a player is.
Back in the day before free agency you could keep track of rosters because the players were with a team usually their entire career.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Holy crap! I've been deceived by my lying eyes.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
Formulating a narrative, sometimes based on group think, then substantiating that belief by ignoring any evidence to the contrary, focusing only on the positive reinforcement of your narrative is quite popular today, and not just on BBI or the topic of sports
What's misleading, I think, is that if we opt for a quick-hit passing attack because our protection is poor, Saquon catches a break not because he's doing a great job blocking but because we simply opt not to hold onto the ball for long.
Without knowing Daniel Jones' average time to release I think that was definitely the case in 2022 - that blocking statistics improved overall for the Giants due to Jones getting the ball out sooner. In previous years I think it's likely that pass protection appeared to be worse than what it really was due to Jones holding onto the ball longer. Coaching undoubtedly made a huge difference.
It is very easy to design a study to get the "results" you want.
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
I don't watch all the backs in the league pass block like I do Barkley. In past seasons he has been terrible. Last season he made a significant improvement to being good at it. If that puts him at best, ok, but that means the RBs in the NFL are overall fairly poor pass blockers if "good" is the best there is.
It is very easy to design a study to get the "results" you want.
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
PFF isn’t gospel but when do their rankings completely fail the eye test? Barkley was almost never an issue in pass pro in 2022 and you’d know that by watching the games. The PFF data backs that up. He was also the overwhelming leader in snap count % by running backs which he wouldn’t be if he couldn’t block.
RE: RE: I love Saquon, and he has clearly improved.
What's misleading, I think, is that if we opt for a quick-hit passing attack because our protection is poor, Saquon catches a break not because he's doing a great job blocking but because we simply opt not to hold onto the ball for long.
Without knowing Daniel Jones' average time to release I think that was definitely the case in 2022 - that blocking statistics improved overall for the Giants due to Jones getting the ball out sooner. In previous years I think it's likely that pass protection appeared to be worse than what it really was due to Jones holding onto the ball longer. Coaching undoubtedly made a huge difference.
Barkley caught the same break every other RB caught. Almost every offense now is the quick release type. Barkley's pass blocking was much, much better, and it was obvious. If you didn't see it you likely were biased and didn't want to. Was he top in the league, that is subjective, but he was plenty good enough as running backs go. The proof is he was in there are almost all the passing plays, which he wouldn't have been if he couldn't block. Barkley also made a point at the beginning of the season to say he had been working a lot on it.
RE: RE: Most studies today are designed to get clicks
It is very easy to design a study to get the "results" you want.
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
PFF isn’t gospel but when do their rankings completely fail the eye test? Barkley was almost never an issue in pass pro in 2022 and you’d know that by watching the games. The PFF data backs that up. He was also the overwhelming leader in snap count % by running backs which he wouldn’t be if he couldn’t block.
Barkley was definitely better at blocking. He finally learned how to surge forward as he engaged the blitzer. I’d give him a B+
But no I don’t put much stock in PFF ratings
Especially when it is something that you can see on the TV replay vs
The key point is that it’s no longer a glaring weakness opponents can exploit.
I wonder whether his increased focus on his protection responsibilities contributed to his relatively modest production as a receiver. The extra half-second to scan for a free rusher may have taken him out of some plays.
Handing in his project,"Medieval Plumbing,"on time.
Please Note: "In factoring final grade, be aware that neatness counts.
With that in mind,it should be noted that Saquan's extra credit composition, "Connecticut's Leading Manufacturers of 3 Cornered Hats, Casual Wear Ascots, and Pruning Shears for the Left-handed," was especially free from dirt, grime blood, pus and fingerprints, thus earning him 3 extra credit points.
Maybe the question to ask is "How well does DJ pass w/Barkley
Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
They only hate it when it ruins their narrative
You sure you've been around here long enough to be throwing around "they only hate it..." comments?
Unless you care to reveal your previous handle, leave the BBI judgments to yourself.
RE: I love Saquon but.......,,who wrote this article
You're welcome.
Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
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You could have fooled me.
You're welcome.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
Conner, 84 snaps, 4 pressures.
Williams, 58 snaps, 2 pressures.
Stevenson, 88 snaps, 5 pressures.
Henry, 56 snaps, 4 pressures (that would be 6 in 84)
Well, it is PFF grading after all.
It factors circumstance and degree of difficulty. I'm not making excuses for them, just presenting a little bit of their logic ....
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-pass-protection
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You could have fooled me.
You're welcome.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
The two points arent mutually exclusive. Those of you who are dug in and dont think a player can get better after making up your mind is worthless.
Watch the film from last year - he had a ton of reps in pass pro every game, and he did his job very well. He doesnt need to be a stonewall, but his whiffs from 2018-19 were cleaned up. Proud of the guy.
He was noticeably better last year. Quite effective.
Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
They only hate it when it ruins their narrative
Conner, 84 snaps, 4 pressures.
Williams, 58 snaps, 2 pressures.
Stevenson, 88 snaps, 5 pressures.
Henry, 56 snaps, 4 pressures (that would be 6 in 84)
Well, it is PFF grading after all.
LOL this is exactly what PFF isn't. It's not about the obvious, it's next level. It's not that he "dropped 3 passes." It's he "dropped three catchable passes and made 9 high degree of difficulty catches." It's what make regular stats look like lazy analysis.
Saquon is getting a break from the ball coming out sooner, but upon looking at the PFF video again, the expected time standards are factored into the analysis (as well as other crucial factors), so maybe, just maybe, their not as stupid as many of us think they are.
His pass blocking definitely improved this past year.
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In comment 16124396 ConsistentGiantFan said:
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You could have fooled me.
You're welcome.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
Formulating a narrative, sometimes based on group think, then substantiating that belief by ignoring any evidence to the contrary, focusing only on the positive reinforcement of your narrative is quite popular today, and not just on BBI or the topic of sports
Back in the day before free agency you could keep track of rosters because the players were with a team usually their entire career.
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In comment 16124396 ConsistentGiantFan said:
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You could have fooled me.
You're welcome.
Searched the entire article but could not find a reference to eyes or seeing so I assume "confirmation bias" doesn't apply to eyesight.
We should all totally go based on your impression, rather than someone who methodically analyzed every block by every back in the league.
Confirmation bias definitely applies. You think Saquon is a shitty blocker so you dwell on it when he misses a block and overlook it when he makes the block the other eleven times out of 12. Denying confirmation bias could be a factor only makes you look more foolish.
Formulating a narrative, sometimes based on group think, then substantiating that belief by ignoring any evidence to the contrary, focusing only on the positive reinforcement of your narrative is quite popular today, and not just on BBI or the topic of sports
THIS ^^^^^^ !
Without knowing Daniel Jones' average time to release I think that was definitely the case in 2022 - that blocking statistics improved overall for the Giants due to Jones getting the ball out sooner. In previous years I think it's likely that pass protection appeared to be worse than what it really was due to Jones holding onto the ball longer. Coaching undoubtedly made a huge difference.
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
PFF isn’t gospel but when do their rankings completely fail the eye test? Barkley was almost never an issue in pass pro in 2022 and you’d know that by watching the games. The PFF data backs that up. He was also the overwhelming leader in snap count % by running backs which he wouldn’t be if he couldn’t block.
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What's misleading, I think, is that if we opt for a quick-hit passing attack because our protection is poor, Saquon catches a break not because he's doing a great job blocking but because we simply opt not to hold onto the ball for long.
Without knowing Daniel Jones' average time to release I think that was definitely the case in 2022 - that blocking statistics improved overall for the Giants due to Jones getting the ball out sooner. In previous years I think it's likely that pass protection appeared to be worse than what it really was due to Jones holding onto the ball longer. Coaching undoubtedly made a huge difference.
Barkley caught the same break every other RB caught. Almost every offense now is the quick release type. Barkley's pass blocking was much, much better, and it was obvious. If you didn't see it you likely were biased and didn't want to. Was he top in the league, that is subjective, but he was plenty good enough as running backs go. The proof is he was in there are almost all the passing plays, which he wouldn't have been if he couldn't block. Barkley also made a point at the beginning of the season to say he had been working a lot on it.
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It is very easy to design a study to get the "results" you want.
Dexter Lawrence is faster than J Hyatt. How can I say such a thing? Well, read the fine print and you will see that I'm measuring speed on a pound for pound basis.
Since Dex weighs twice as much, JH would have to run a 40 that is half of Dex,' which would be a 2.7. He actually ran a 4.4 so Dex is "faster."
PFF isn’t gospel but when do their rankings completely fail the eye test? Barkley was almost never an issue in pass pro in 2022 and you’d know that by watching the games. The PFF data backs that up. He was also the overwhelming leader in snap count % by running backs which he wouldn’t be if he couldn’t block.
Barkley was definitely better at blocking. He finally learned how to surge forward as he engaged the blitzer. I’d give him a B+
But no I don’t put much stock in PFF ratings
Especially when it is something that you can see on the TV replay vs
Which RBs got A’s in pass pro?
I wonder whether his increased focus on his protection responsibilities contributed to his relatively modest production as a receiver. The extra half-second to scan for a free rusher may have taken him out of some plays.
Handing in his project,"Medieval Plumbing,"on time.
Please Note: "In factoring final grade, be aware that neatness counts.
With that in mind,it should be noted that Saquan's extra credit composition, "Connecticut's Leading Manufacturers of 3 Cornered Hats, Casual Wear Ascots, and Pruning Shears for the Left-handed," was especially free from dirt, grime blood, pus and fingerprints, thus earning him 3 extra credit points.
PFF grading is as valid as the Artistic Metric Score in figure skating where you get judged on your twirling and sequin dress.
Unless of course PFF has a score that agrees with my viewpoints of course.
Which RBs got A’s in pass pro?
Jacobs and Bradshaw.
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Around here; Some BBIers are down-right PFF haters, a few believers.
Me. I think that they must be doing something right, else they would have gone away, a long time ago. (That doesn't mean that I don't look at their work with a jaundiced eye).
They only hate it when it ruins their narrative
You sure you've been around here long enough to be throwing around "they only hate it..." comments?
Unless you care to reveal your previous handle, leave the BBI judgments to yourself.
His mom!
Under the pseudonym George Eliot.