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NFT: NY Rangers Head Coaching Update

Anakim : 5/30/2023 1:02 pm
Rumors are circulating that Drury was leaning towards hiring Peter Laviolette, but with John Hynes out in Nashville, he’s another guy that could be of interest. But Hynes or Laviolette seem most likely at this juncture. And yet, both are so…uninspiring. Ugh


Other guys who have interviewed: Jay Leach, Patrick Roy and Mike Babcock. Kris Knoblauch is still in the hunt, of course.


Still hoping for Leach
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pjcas18 : 5/31/2023 12:28 pm : link
New York Post
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Rangers get permission to speak to John Hynes for head coaching gig after Predators firing https://trib.al/wqkb6Kk
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JoeMoney19 : 5/31/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16125453 BrettNYG10 said:
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Would assuage my main concern - if we don’t acquire more straight line hard nose forwards, we’re not going to be a legitimate contender. We rely way too much on our PP to score.



I think a coach who can develop Kakko and Laf can help solve that issue.


Hate to say it, but I’d trade Laf and keep Kakko. We have too many unmovable LW’s. And Othman is a LW.
Othmann  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2023 12:42 pm : link
has been awesome in the CHL playoffs if anyone is following.

I had some doubts about him after the world U20's last year when he played on a line with Bedard and Wright and didn't stand out (at all).

But maybe when you play with Connor Bedard and Shane Wright you try so hard not to seem selfish it hurts your game.

He looks fantastic right now. 25 points in 23 playoff games. leading the Petes to the OHL championship.

I think he may be suspended though for a borderline hit in the last game and the Petes aren't likely to last much longer in the Memorial Cup. I don't like dirty play, but I wouldn't be too mad about the suspension if he does get one (there was no penalty on the play) and I like players who are aggressive.
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Anakim : 5/31/2023 12:52 pm : link
John Hynes resume
-9 years as a head coach with 2 teams
-Has never finished higher than a wild card position
-has never won a playoff series
-overall 4-15 record in the playoffs
-Was buddies with Chris Drury in college



Sounds like a winner
RE: Rear Admiral from Spittin Chiclets  
DelZotto : 5/31/2023 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16125188 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
[quote] is saying Lavoliette is going to be announced this week as Rangers head coach. He was zeroed in on the Patrick Kane news before it broke. [/quote time to bring back LESTER PATRICK
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BrettNYG10 : 5/31/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16125746 pjcas18 said:
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New York Post
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Rangers get permission to speak to John Hynes for head coaching gig after Predators firing https://trib.al/wqkb6Kk


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I guess it may be possible that they bring Hynes in as Lavi's top  
Anakim : 5/31/2023 1:11 pm : link
assistant? I wouldn't mind that, but IDK if Hynes would go for that.



IDK, this whole coaching search has been totally uninspiring. Makes me wish we ran it back with Gallant for a year.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/31/2023 1:30 pm : link
I'd rather go Laviolette than Gallant.

But I'd go Knoblauch over both.
Knoblauch is the German word for garlic  
Vanzetti : 5/31/2023 2:45 pm : link
Imagine the jokes about the Rangers stinking

RE: I guess it may be possible that they bring Hynes in as Lavi's top  
Essex : 5/31/2023 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16125778 Anakim said:
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assistant? I wouldn't mind that, but IDK if Hynes would go for that.



IDK, this whole coaching search has been totally uninspiring. Makes me wish we ran it back with Gallant for a year.


Gallant had his limitations, but the team was not so bad with him that you shouldn't have fired him without a definite plan on where you wanted to go.

I have been on the record as saying the Laviolette hiring is not a sexy one, but the difference between Lavy and Hynes is not even in the same rink, ballfield, whatever. If Drury hires his college buddy, this is a total sh@tshow.
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BleedBlue : 6/1/2023 1:59 am : link
Hynes is horrible.

As a devil fan, I hated him. He is a defensive minded coach and his teams are never great.

I think both are average at best hires and it’s really the rangers roster construction that’s the issue. Panarin isn’t a playoff player at all. You went all out for Kane and senko when you shoulda beefed up defense. Mikkola was a solid addition though.

I personally think rangers are too reliant on PP to score…they aren’t getting younger and their young guys haven’t shown much. Should be an interesting offseason
In the regular season the Rangers  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 7:32 am : link
were 10th (out of 32) in the NHL in 5v5 goals for, 12th (out of 32) when you make it all situations. So the stats don't indicate they were too reliant on the PP.

Playoffs is hard to compare since not all teams play the same amount of games, but if you just stack rank teams (which would push all the 1st round eliminated teams to the bottom) they were tied for 12th (out of 16) 5v5 and 13th (out of 16) all situations.

In the playoffs scoring was a problem you could say, but again, but stats don't indicate they were too dependent on the PP IMO.

I have read a few fans say that. You could argue that their lack of scoring (if 10th in the league at 5v5 goals for is an area you want to improve) indicated they need the PP to score, but that can be true about every team.




Kyle Dubas hired by the Penguins  
Anakim : 6/1/2023 10:37 am : link
1. Does Dubas fire Mike Sullivan? If so, lock it up. Mike Sullivan would be the next HC of the Rangers.

2. Does Brad Treliving fire Sheldon Keefe? If that happens, I could see Keefe being of interest to Drury.
Sully would be huge  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 10:42 am : link
why do you think Keefe would be interesting?

He has to be viewed as a massive failure, no? All that talent and 13-17 in the playoffs, 0-3 in game 7's. All at home. One to hated rival MTL.


RE: Sully would be huge  
Anakim : 6/1/2023 10:46 am : link
In comment 16126152 pjcas18 said:
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why do you think Keefe would be interesting?

He has to be viewed as a massive failure, no? All that talent and 13-17 in the playoffs, 0-3 in game 7's. All at home. One to hated rival MTL.



He finally got Toronto past the first round. Haha, that's a feat in it of itself.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/1/2023 10:52 am : link
No thanks on Keefe.
I'd rather  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 10:54 am : link
have Laviolette than Keefe.

Keefe may turn into a good coach, but Laviolette is more accomplished than Keefe.
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Anakim : 6/1/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16126167 pjcas18 said:
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have Laviolette than Keefe.

Keefe may turn into a good coach, but Laviolette is more accomplished than Keefe.


For sure, but Laviolette is also much older and more experienced. I think the appeal with Keefe is that he's still young, he's had decent results so far (definitely better results than Hynes) and he's not a journeyman retread like Laviolette.
What about Reggie Dunlop?  
Vanzetti : 6/1/2023 11:13 am : link
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Dear lord, don't let it be Hynes  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 11:15 am : link
That would be the ultimate Rangers move, Drury hiring a crap coach because they were buddies in college.
RE: What about Reggie Dunlop?  
rnargi : 6/1/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16126190 Vanzetti said:
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He's retired in Florida...
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pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16126176 Anakim said:
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have Laviolette than Keefe.

Keefe may turn into a good coach, but Laviolette is more accomplished than Keefe.



For sure, but Laviolette is also much older and more experienced. I think the appeal with Keefe is that he's still young, he's had decent results so far (definitely better results than Hynes) and he's not a journeyman retread like Laviolette.


If the Rangers were a rebuilding team I'd day Keefe or Knoblauch 100% good fits.

But with the state of the Rangers I'd say Sullivan (100%) or Laviolette are safer hires.

You call Laviolette a journeyman retread, but after getting his feet wet with the NYI, he brought each team he coached to the SCF. He won a cup. Before his stint in WAS.

a journeyman to me is more like Lindy Ruff (he did go to a cup in his second year of coaching, but hasn't sniffed success since then - in 20 years) or Rick Bowness or guys like that. I don't think Laviolette is on Sullivan's level or even Cooper's (I know people hate him) but he's better than some people give him credit for on here.
Cooper is very hateable  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 11:50 am : link
But he's an excellent coach
RE: What about Reggie Dunlop?  
Professor Falken : 6/1/2023 12:06 pm : link
In comment 16126190 Vanzetti said:
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Fun Fact. Slapshot was written by a woman.
Also fun fact  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 12:10 pm : link
Suzanne Hanrahan from Slapshot was also the mom in Christmas Story.

Maybe people knew that, I did not until she passed away earlier this year.

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rnargi : 6/1/2023 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16126242 pjcas18 said:
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Suzanne Hanrahan from Slapshot was also the mom in Christmas Story.

Maybe people knew that, I did not until she passed away earlier this year.


I knew that and was somewhat surprised. Completely different character, lol
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BrettNYG10 : 6/1/2023 12:14 pm : link
None of the teams that fired Laviolette did better without him. Hurricanes made playoffs the season they fired him, missed the next year.

Flyers fired him three games into the season, made the playoffs, missed next year.

Fired mid year in NAS, made qualifying round due to COVID and got beat by the Coyotes. Made the playoffs and lost in the first round the following year.

These weren't some elite teams that were being held back by him. I'd hire Knoblauch but Laviolette is fine.
Nancy Dowd wrote the script based partly on her brother's stories  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 12:21 pm : link
Ned Dowd was a minor league hockey player for the Johnstown Jets who appeared in the movie as Ogie Oglethorpe. The Hanson Brothers (Jeff and Steve Carlson and Dave Hanson) were his teammates on the Jets. Several of the on-ice events were things that actually happened with them, like the Hanson Brothers going into the stands after Jeff gets hit in the face by keys thrown by a fan, and the pre-game brawl.
Melinda Dillon (Suzanne Hanrahan) was in another Paul Newman movie  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 12:26 pm : link
Absence of Malice. She was also in Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Jillian, the woman whose son is taken by the aliens) and was the mom in Harry and the Hendersons.
just days later  
bigbluehoya : 6/1/2023 12:28 pm : link
here we are with me hoping and praying for Lavy so that it just isnt Hynes. God that would be awful.
Dubas doubled-down on Sullivan  
Anakim : 6/1/2023 1:24 pm : link
So there goes that choice
Uncle Larry on Patrick Roy  
Anakim : 6/1/2023 2:19 pm : link
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RE: Uncle Larry on Patrick Roy  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16126326 Anakim said:
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Roy would be a quintessential NYR move. You don't settle for Lavy or scheme for Mike Sullivan or try and get Quenneville sold to your base (and the NHL) or even promote from within with someone like Knoblauch. You bring in hockey royalty.

Sure, bring in an egomaniac whose first NHL coaching stint  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 3:16 pm : link
was mostly disastrous...Uncle Larry giving us the pearls of wisdom he's noted for.
some of the guys I like on twitter  
bigbluehoya : 6/1/2023 3:28 pm : link
are adamant that Roy would be a true disaster given the man-to-man defensive scheme he insisted on running in Colorado.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/1/2023 3:29 pm : link
I'd rather hire Alain Vigneault again than hire Hynes.

I'd promote Knoblauch partially because he's an easy guy to fire if someone better comes along.
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Anakim : 6/1/2023 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16126398 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'd rather hire Alain Vigneault again than hire Hynes.

I'd promote Knoblauch partially because he's an easy guy to fire if someone better comes along.


Like Sullivan if the Penguins decide to commit to rebuilding next year
Maybe this is why we fired Ramsey?  
Anakim : 6/1/2023 3:54 pm : link
Patrick Kane’s representative, Pat Brisson, says Kane had a hip resurfacing today under Dr. Edwin Su. As is normal, follow-ups are planned, but roughly 4-6 months recovery is expected. Brisson says Kane “wants to play for a long time,” and doctors are optimistic that will happen
RE: Maybe this is why we fired Ramsey?  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2023 4:00 pm : link
In comment 16126427 Anakim said:
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Patrick Kane’s representative, Pat Brisson, says Kane had a hip resurfacing today under Dr. Edwin Su. As is normal, follow-ups are planned, but roughly 4-6 months recovery is expected. Brisson says Kane “wants to play for a long time,” and doctors are optimistic that will happen


the whole world knew about Kane's hip.

the Rangers were the healthiest team in NHL history last year, not saying it's on the trainer, but if they weren't healthy he'd be blamed.

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Anakim : 6/1/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16126430 pjcas18 said:
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Patrick Kane’s representative, Pat Brisson, says Kane had a hip resurfacing today under Dr. Edwin Su. As is normal, follow-ups are planned, but roughly 4-6 months recovery is expected. Brisson says Kane “wants to play for a long time,” and doctors are optimistic that will happen



the whole world knew about Kane's hip.

the Rangers were the healthiest team in NHL history last year, not saying it's on the trainer, but if they weren't healthy he'd be blamed.


For sure, but I wonder if Kane's hip was worse than initially thought but Ramsey cleared him and thus the trade went through.
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Victor in CT : 6/1/2023 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16126235 Professor Falken said:
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Fun Fact. Slapshot was written by a woman.


it was also loosely based on the long Island Ducks. First game I ever saw at the old Commack Arena. Rich history. John Muckler was a coach there. Red Light Messina. John (i think) Brophy caoched went on to coach the Maple Leafs.
RE: Maybe this is why we fired Ramsey?  
The_Boss : 6/1/2023 8:43 pm : link
In comment 16126427 Anakim said:
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Patrick Kane’s representative, Pat Brisson, says Kane had a hip resurfacing today under Dr. Edwin Su. As is normal, follow-ups are planned, but roughly 4-6 months recovery is expected. Brisson says Kane “wants to play for a long time,” and doctors are optimistic that will happen


Su’s a great surgeon..good guy too
Not really basing this on anything, but I wonder if it will be Patrick  
Anakim : 6/3/2023 5:35 pm : link
Roy. If it was Laviolette, you would think it would've been announced. Meanwhile, I think the earliest they can interview Roy is Monday after the CHL Championship tomorrow.



And remember, a month ago when it was announced that Gallant wasn't coming back, Weekes posted a cryptic tweet showing the NYC skyline with Patrick Roy. Maybe it was him all along?
Drury and Roy  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2023 6:51 pm : link
won a cup together, - not that it matters, bur relationships always seem to matter in sports.

in other news...

Chris Johnston
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Gary Bettman says Joel Quenneville and Stan Bowman have independently requested meetings with him that will be held after the Stanley Cup Final.

Neither is currently eligible to return to work with a NHL team.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/3/2023 6:53 pm : link
I still think CHI should have been stripped of its first round pick. At least.
I wonder what's going on  
Anakim : 6/10/2023 6:01 pm : link
If it was Laviolette or Hynes, you would think it would've been announced already. Maybe Laviolette is considering joining Hynes staff or vice-versa? Maybe that's the holdup?


Or maybe they're waiting on Coach Q getting cleared?
Quennville  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2023 6:07 pm : link
isn't meeting with Bettman until after the SCF.

And no guarantee he's reinstated, but it makes sense to wait if the Rangers did their due diligence and know what Quennville knew and didn't know about Beach. I do think there is a scenario where Quennville would be off my list. but that's just me.
RE: Quennville  
Anakim : 6/10/2023 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16131106 pjcas18 said:
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isn't meeting with Bettman until after the SCF.

And no guarantee he's reinstated, but it makes sense to wait if the Rangers did their due diligence and know what Quennville knew and didn't know about Beach. I do think there is a scenario where Quennville would be off my list. but that's just me.


Regardless, there’s going to be PR blowback if they hire Q
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pjcas18 : 6/10/2023 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16131121 Anakim said:
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isn't meeting with Bettman until after the SCF.

And no guarantee he's reinstated, but it makes sense to wait if the Rangers did their due diligence and know what Quennville knew and didn't know about Beach. I do think there is a scenario where Quennville would be off my list. but that's just me.



Regardless, there’s going to be PR blowback if they hire Q


Sure, because people who don't have facts often spout off about stuff they don't know about.

If I am the Rangers I would make sure to learn the truth and then make a decision they can live with.
And the other possibility is that we've zeroed in on one of the  
Anakim : 6/12/2023 11:11 am : link
Panthers/Knights assistants. John Stevens?
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