A bit nit picky but another lousy Kay call as well. “ Another one, he’s done it again”. Just a bit redundant there Michael. Do better, Judge deserves it.
to be ready to return. My guess is Oswaldo Pereira will be sent to SWB - not sure of Calhoun's status as far as options. IKF is doing an excellent super-sub job. Perhaps the pressure of playing SS was killing him, like it did with Torres. We all know he is a very good IF, but I noticed he plays a VG outfield too. Like Pereira, he was able to adjust to OF with little "effort".
I'd prefer that they DFA Donaldson, but unlike Hicks failing in the OF, he is an excellent 3rd baseman so he still has value. His ABs in Spring looked better than last year, so they will not be so quick to let him go, unless he can be traded.
Really a shame with Bader unable to stay healthy. But that is his M.O., constant injury. Guy is a great CF. Also forces Judge to play CF more often - he is the 2nd best CF on the team.
Anyway, they are chipping away at Tampa's lead.
Seriously MLB are you kidding me? They should name the replay rule after him.
That was a terrible call (the check swing) at a Little League game.
Absolutely. Not to mention he's had like 2 or 3 calls overturned on replay the past few nights. I wonder if he's behind the plate tonight. That will be like the main course at the suckitude banquet.
18 HR in 46 games to start season (2022)
18 HR in 46 games to start season (2023)
Its even better than that. This year he spent time on the IL. He's hit 18 home runs in fewer games this year than last.
Those are the numbers he put up in the first 46 games HE played in each year. Not the team's first 46 games. Oddly, because the 2023 season started earlier, the team has played 57 games through May 30, but had only played 47 through May 29 last year.
to be ready to return. My guess is Oswaldo Pereira will be sent to SWB - not sure of Calhoun's status as far as options. IKF is doing an excellent super-sub job. Perhaps the pressure of playing SS was killing him, like it did with Torres. We all know he is a very good IF, but I noticed he plays a VG outfield too. Like Pereira, he was able to adjust to OF with little "effort".
I'd prefer that they DFA Donaldson, but unlike Hicks failing in the OF, he is an excellent 3rd baseman so he still has value. His ABs in Spring looked better than last year, so they will not be so quick to let him go, unless he can be traded.
Really a shame with Bader unable to stay healthy. But that is his M.O., constant injury. Guy is a great CF. Also forces Judge to play CF more often - he is the 2nd best CF on the team.
Anyway, they are chipping away at Tampa's lead.
IKF has been outstanding in his role, fully agree. And fully admit I was wrong about bringing him back. He went all in with the super sub role, and he’s not only hitting better, as you said he’s been good in the field wherever he plays
IMO anything Donaldson contributes is a bonus, but could really use Stanton back to ease the hitting burden on Judge. And hopefully he can figure out how to stay on the field for most of the last 100 games
Judge just continues to show he's the best player in baseball
But his overall numbers are still subpar (.243/.288/.378) because he was unspeakably bad in April (.200/.245/.200). We'll see how he does going forward.
RE: Judge just continues to show he's the best player in baseball
in my schedule, this is the most Yankees regular season baseball I've consistently got to watch in a few years. Watching Judge these past few weeks after his return from injury has been an experience. He is really trying his best to prove that last year wasn't an outlier.
I think they mentioned after 2 games ago that he has the record for most games with a HR both hit and robbed since 2003 when they started tracking it? Pretty fun stat there. I wonder who the all-time leader would be? Griffey Jr.?
Judge is definitely playing truly inspired baseball.
I doubt I will change anyone's mind with my Ohtani argument so will just leave it as a polite difference of opinion/perspective.
Ohtani is a good SP, but people cannot just continue to ignore that he’s a DH when not pitching. Judge plays Gold Glove caliber defense on an every day basis. I’m not trying to diminish what Ohtani is doing. But when Ohtani isn’t pitching he doesn’t ever have to play in the field. You can’t dismiss the advantage Ohtani has by getting to sit on his ass and only hit 6 days out of the week
I doubt I will change anyone's mind with my Ohtani argument so will just leave it as a polite difference of opinion/perspective.
Ohtani is an excellent player. He is a very good pitcher and a very good position player. As was stated, he is neither the best pitcher nor the best position player in the AL. Judge is the best position player in all of baseball. IMV, you have to take Ohtani's pitching role out of the equation for MVP because there is the Cy Young Award for the best pitcher. In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
BTW, Ohtani is not even the best position player on his team - Mike Trout is. This is not a denigration of Ohtani - a truly excellent player. But when you are not the best pitcher nor the best position player you cannot be the MVP.
I generally and genuinely enjoy debating with you guys
but I'm fairly busy at the moment, and like I said, I doubt anyone's mind will change. If Judge beats Ohtani in WAR I do think that is a significant argument in his favor.
In any event, I hope Judge wins MVP again and then Ohtani comes here.
And it wasn't close, either. On Fangraphs, Judge had an 11.5 last year and Ohtani had 9.4 combined between pitching and hitting. This year, to date, it's Judge at 2.9 and Ohtani at 2.3.
And it wasn't close, either. On Fangraphs, Judge had an 11.5 last year and Ohtani had 9.4 combined between pitching and hitting. This year, to date, it's Judge at 2.9 and Ohtani at 2.3.
I think Judge deserved to win the MVP last year (I think I said that above). Hope the same happens this year.
If you look through the years, only the very best of all time ever matched or exceeded that 11.5 WAR. Babe Ruth, obviously. Lou Gehrig beat it once. Mickey Mantle's career best matched it. Barry Bonds had 12s for a few years. Ty Cobb once. It was truly a season for the ages.
I honestly don't think it was close between Judge and Ohtani
Judge had a decent advantage in WAR when factoring both of Ohtani's positions and Judge's offense was insane. He led the league in virtually every stat you could look at. This year he is actually on a better pace to start. But, for me, the biggest difference last year was the fact that the Yankees were a serious contender and Judge absolutely carried them in the regular season vs. the Angels sucking.
RE: I honestly don't think it was close between Judge and Ohtani
But, for me, the biggest difference last year was the fact that the Yankees were a serious contender and Judge absolutely carried them in the regular season vs. the Angels sucking.
And that is the exact point. Judge was the best player on a playoff team and the reason his team made the playoffs. Ohtani for all his greatness, with another upper echelon player on the team, came in well out of the playoffs.
RE: RE: Judge is definitely playing truly inspired baseball.
In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
RE: RE: RE: Judge is definitely playing truly inspired baseball.
In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
Now, that is interesting...I have always thought Guidry was the MVP. However, back then, only position players were considered for MVP. IIRC, there was talk in Yankeedom about Guidry for MVP as well as Cy Young, but the sports writers held to two separate awards with no overlap...
But that +2 gap for Judge last year kind of throws a wet blanket on the LA writers. Judge, until the last week or 10 day, was near a Triple Crown. The HR chase really screwed up his swing so his BA took a dive.
Comparing Ohtani and Judge is like comparing apples to oranges. However as I said the other day I don't think any position player that I can think of compares to Judge. The things he can do on the baseball field that encompass literally every skill that is involved with a position player both in the field and the plate is just unprecedented. The way he is now starting to routinely bring back HR's has only been approached by Ken Griffey jr. And Dave Winfield. Winfield was my 2nd favorite Yankee growing up after Thurman, and athletically he probably even surpassed Judge for his size at 6'6, however Judge's production and consistent power surpasses even Winnie. If he stays healthy Judge very well could be looking at his 3rd 50+ hr season already. Now he's becoming a .300 hitter to boot. Just staggering.
In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
Now, that is interesting...I have always thought Guidry was the MVP. However, back then, only position players were considered for MVP. IIRC, there was talk in Yankeedom about Guidry for MVP as well as Cy Young, but the sports writers held to two separate awards with no overlap...
But that +2 gap for Judge last year kind of throws a wet blanket on the LA writers. Judge, until the last week or 10 day, was near a Triple Crown. The HR chase really screwed up his swing so his BA took a dive.
I thought Guidry was the most dominant player in the AL in 1978, but I have no problem with him not getting the MVP. On the other hand, in 1986, Clemens was not as dominant as Guidry was back then and he wasn't as good as Mattingly was that year, in my opinion.
and again with apologies because I'm low on time, I don't foresee Judge ever repeating last year, whereas I think Ohtani will continue to repeat his current excellence for many years to come. I get that so far Judge has been great this year; if he stays at this level I will be an extremely happy camper.
RE: I honestly don't think it was close between Judge and Ohtani
Judge had a decent advantage in WAR when factoring both of Ohtani's positions and Judge's offense was insane. He led the league in virtually every stat you could look at. This year he is actually on a better pace to start. But, for me, the biggest difference last year was the fact that the Yankees were a serious contender and Judge absolutely carried them in the regular season vs. the Angels sucking.
It isn't a two man race this year though, I'd say Acuna is probably 1st right now with how he is playing
RE: RE: I honestly don't think it was close between Judge and Ohtani
Judge had a decent advantage in WAR when factoring both of Ohtani's positions and Judge's offense was insane. He led the league in virtually every stat you could look at. This year he is actually on a better pace to start. But, for me, the biggest difference last year was the fact that the Yankees were a serious contender and Judge absolutely carried them in the regular season vs. the Angels sucking.
It isn't a two man race this year though, I'd say Acuna is probably 1st right now with how he is playing
and again with apologies because I'm low on time, I don't foresee Judge ever repeating last year, whereas I think Ohtani will continue to repeat his current excellence for many years to come. I get that so far Judge has been great this year; if he stays at this level I will be an extremely happy camper.
It is not a lifetime achievement award.
I expect Ohtani will stay a very good player, also. I expect Judge to remain a very good player. There is, what, 2 or maybe 3 years difference in age.
The concept of a single stat that will accurately sum up the pertinent universe is attractive. But it's just a stat devised by a human that is very much subject to garbage in, garbage out.
WAR (B Ref) will tell you that, in 2010, Brett Gardner, with 5 HR, 47 RBI, .273 BA and .762 OPS, was a 7.4.
And that Miguel Cabrera, with 38 HR, 126 RBI, .328 BA and 1.042 OPS, was a 6.5.
Hint: 27 yo BG was not a better, more valuable baseball player than 27 yo Miggy Cab.
and again with apologies because I'm low on time, I don't foresee Judge ever repeating last year, whereas I think Ohtani will continue to repeat his current excellence for many years to come. I get that so far Judge has been great this year; if he stays at this level I will be an extremely happy camper.
It is not a lifetime achievement award.
I expect Ohtani will stay a very good player, also. I expect Judge to remain a very good player. There is, what, 2 or maybe 3 years difference in age.
The initial claim was that Judge is the best player in baseball, not who deserved to win the MVP last year (as I've said repeatedly it's Judge).
My friends in baseball have always said to take the defensive metrics with a grain of salt, for what it's worth.
If I were starting a team today I'd take Ohtani. But as a Yankees fan I wouldn't trade Judge for anyone.
on season win totals without really thinking them through. I went over on both the Rangers and Angels, and then afterwards realized I was implicitly fading the Mariners. I can't see Seattle not at least getting in the Wild Card hunt. Thank goodness for the A's!
(With these new schedules, it matters a bit less.)
I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
There's a reason they're bringing Stanton back after 1 rehab game....
I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
There's a reason they're bringing Stanton back after 1 rehab game....
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Yeah, to see a bunch of strikeouts for about two weeks, get ready folks.
They are now both at .243.
They are now both at .243.
DJ's bat is heavy and slow.
IKF's has been quick through the zone.
That was a terrible call (the check swing) at a Little League game.
18 HR in 46 games to start season (2023)
A bit nit picky but another lousy Kay call as well. “ Another one, he’s done it again”. Just a bit redundant there Michael. Do better, Judge deserves it.
I'd prefer that they DFA Donaldson, but unlike Hicks failing in the OF, he is an excellent 3rd baseman so he still has value. His ABs in Spring looked better than last year, so they will not be so quick to let him go, unless he can be traded.
Really a shame with Bader unable to stay healthy. But that is his M.O., constant injury. Guy is a great CF. Also forces Judge to play CF more often - he is the 2nd best CF on the team.
Anyway, they are chipping away at Tampa's lead.
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Seriously MLB are you kidding me? They should name the replay rule after him.
That was a terrible call (the check swing) at a Little League game.
Absolutely. Not to mention he's had like 2 or 3 calls overturned on replay the past few nights. I wonder if he's behind the plate tonight. That will be like the main course at the suckitude banquet.
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18 HR in 46 games to start season (2022)
18 HR in 46 games to start season (2023)
Its even better than that. This year he spent time on the IL. He's hit 18 home runs in fewer games this year than last.
Those are the numbers he put up in the first 46 games HE played in each year. Not the team's first 46 games. Oddly, because the 2023 season started earlier, the team has played 57 games through May 30, but had only played 47 through May 29 last year.
I'd prefer that they DFA Donaldson, but unlike Hicks failing in the OF, he is an excellent 3rd baseman so he still has value. His ABs in Spring looked better than last year, so they will not be so quick to let him go, unless he can be traded.
Really a shame with Bader unable to stay healthy. But that is his M.O., constant injury. Guy is a great CF. Also forces Judge to play CF more often - he is the 2nd best CF on the team.
Anyway, they are chipping away at Tampa's lead.
IKF has been outstanding in his role, fully agree. And fully admit I was wrong about bringing him back. He went all in with the super sub role, and he’s not only hitting better, as you said he’s been good in the field wherever he plays
IMO anything Donaldson contributes is a bonus, but could really use Stanton back to ease the hitting burden on Judge. And hopefully he can figure out how to stay on the field for most of the last 100 games
IKF is a good and useful player, he was just miscast as an everyday SS.
IKF is a good and useful player, he was just miscast as an everyday SS.
I love Judge, thought he deserved to win the MVP last year, and hope he wins it again this year. But really it's Ohtani.
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leading the league in HRs despite missing 10 games, .303 ba, .413 obp, 1.104 OPS and a great outfielder and leader. He IS the Yankees.
IKF is a good and useful player, he was just miscast as an everyday SS.
I love Judge, thought he deserved to win the MVP last year, and hope he wins it again this year. But really it's Ohtani.
I disagree. While Ohtani is great as player and pitcher, he's not THE best at either.
I think they mentioned after 2 games ago that he has the record for most games with a HR both hit and robbed since 2003 when they started tracking it? Pretty fun stat there. I wonder who the all-time leader would be? Griffey Jr.?
Ohtani is a good SP, but people cannot just continue to ignore that he’s a DH when not pitching. Judge plays Gold Glove caliber defense on an every day basis. I’m not trying to diminish what Ohtani is doing. But when Ohtani isn’t pitching he doesn’t ever have to play in the field. You can’t dismiss the advantage Ohtani has by getting to sit on his ass and only hit 6 days out of the week
Ohtani is an excellent player. He is a very good pitcher and a very good position player. As was stated, he is neither the best pitcher nor the best position player in the AL. Judge is the best position player in all of baseball. IMV, you have to take Ohtani's pitching role out of the equation for MVP because there is the Cy Young Award for the best pitcher. In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
BTW, Ohtani is not even the best position player on his team - Mike Trout is. This is not a denigration of Ohtani - a truly excellent player. But when you are not the best pitcher nor the best position player you cannot be the MVP.
In any event, I hope Judge wins MVP again and then Ohtani comes here.
I think Judge deserved to win the MVP last year (I think I said that above). Hope the same happens this year.
And that is the exact point. Judge was the best player on a playoff team and the reason his team made the playoffs. Ohtani for all his greatness, with another upper echelon player on the team, came in well out of the playoffs.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
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In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
Now, that is interesting...I have always thought Guidry was the MVP. However, back then, only position players were considered for MVP. IIRC, there was talk in Yankeedom about Guidry for MVP as well as Cy Young, but the sports writers held to two separate awards with no overlap...
But that +2 gap for Judge last year kind of throws a wet blanket on the LA writers. Judge, until the last week or 10 day, was near a Triple Crown. The HR chase really screwed up his swing so his BA took a dive.
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In 1978, Ron Guidry was the reason the Yankees won the AL East and the WS. He easily could have been MVP as well as Cy Young winner. He was clearly far and away the best pitcher in MLB. But Jim Rice won the MVP because he had crazy good numbers. IMV, MVP should have been Guidry, but Jim Rice was the best position player in baseball that year and deserved the award.
As Greg in LI pointed out, Judge outpointed Ohtani combined batting & pitching by 2 full WAR points last year. I got curious and checked the WAR stats for 1978. Jim Rice 7.6 / Ron Guidry 9.6
Now, that is interesting...I have always thought Guidry was the MVP. However, back then, only position players were considered for MVP. IIRC, there was talk in Yankeedom about Guidry for MVP as well as Cy Young, but the sports writers held to two separate awards with no overlap...
But that +2 gap for Judge last year kind of throws a wet blanket on the LA writers. Judge, until the last week or 10 day, was near a Triple Crown. The HR chase really screwed up his swing so his BA took a dive.
It isn't a two man race this year though, I'd say Acuna is probably 1st right now with how he is playing
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Judge had a decent advantage in WAR when factoring both of Ohtani's positions and Judge's offense was insane. He led the league in virtually every stat you could look at. This year he is actually on a better pace to start. But, for me, the biggest difference last year was the fact that the Yankees were a serious contender and Judge absolutely carried them in the regular season vs. the Angels sucking.
It isn't a two man race this year though, I'd say Acuna is probably 1st right now with how he is playing
Acuna doesn't play in the AL
It is not a lifetime achievement award.
I expect Ohtani will stay a very good player, also. I expect Judge to remain a very good player. There is, what, 2 or maybe 3 years difference in age.
WAR (B Ref) will tell you that, in 2010, Brett Gardner, with 5 HR, 47 RBI, .273 BA and .762 OPS, was a 7.4.
And that Miguel Cabrera, with 38 HR, 126 RBI, .328 BA and 1.042 OPS, was a 6.5.
Hint: 27 yo BG was not a better, more valuable baseball player than 27 yo Miggy Cab.
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and again with apologies because I'm low on time, I don't foresee Judge ever repeating last year, whereas I think Ohtani will continue to repeat his current excellence for many years to come. I get that so far Judge has been great this year; if he stays at this level I will be an extremely happy camper.
It is not a lifetime achievement award.
I expect Ohtani will stay a very good player, also. I expect Judge to remain a very good player. There is, what, 2 or maybe 3 years difference in age.
The initial claim was that Judge is the best player in baseball, not who deserved to win the MVP last year (as I've said repeatedly it's Judge).
My friends in baseball have always said to take the defensive metrics with a grain of salt, for what it's worth.
If I were starting a team today I'd take Ohtani. But as a Yankees fan I wouldn't trade Judge for anyone.
Kirby looks damn good.
(With these new schedules, it matters a bit less.)
Def the right move there.
I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
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I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
There's a reason they're bringing Stanton back after 1 rehab game....
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0-0 after 7 innings.
Kirby looks damn good.
That kid attacks the zone, you like to see that in a young pitcher. The kid was a Yankee fan growing up, from Rye, NY they said. Like that arm.
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is such a terrible manager
I mean obviously the report that Rizzo is "available" is nonsense. So exactly how is popping up, a weak grounder and missing a 2-1 BP fastball and k'ing Boone's fault?
There's a reason they're bringing Stanton back after 1 rehab game....
Yeah, to see a bunch of strikeouts for about two weeks, get ready folks.