According to Steve Popper, makes sense, contract expired, Knicks have a lot of voices and with Rosas gaining more of a role the need for Perry was no longer needed
I just can’t get past the Kevin Knox pick over Mikal Bridges. Not to mention SGA, Miles Bridges and Michael Porter on the board too. That whiff still haunts us.
I just can’t get past the Kevin Knox pick over Mikal Bridges. Not to mention SGA, Miles Bridges and Michael Porter on the board too. That whiff still haunts us.
Yeah that was horrific. He literally could have played blind folded pin the tail on the donkey with that pick and come up better.
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Yeah the team clearly hasn’t gotten better since Leon Rose took over, no reason to believe they’re going to continue to improve. Let’s blow it all up! Fuckin wake up Dolan….
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Huh? why would the GM get full autonomy to do whatever he wants when Leon Rose is president of basketball operations? Rose is schoen, the GM does the leg work and calls teams, Rose is final decision..
I wonder if this opens the GM spot for an up and comer
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the Knicks FO is organized.
I just can’t get past the Kevin Knox pick over Mikal Bridges. Not to mention SGA, Miles Bridges and Michael Porter on the board too. That whiff still haunts us.
Yeah that was horrific. He literally could have played blind folded pin the tail on the donkey with that pick and come up better.
Did get Mitch in the second round there. Horrific under Perry was a lot less horrific than previous regimes. The guy deserves some credit for bringing some calm to the shit shows that we had for many years before.
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Yeah the team clearly hasn’t gotten better since Leon Rose took over, no reason to believe they’re going to continue to improve. Let’s blow it all up! Fuckin wake up Dolan….
This.
The Knicks seem to be in their first bit of multi-year 'not a completely shit show' period since the Dolans bought the team.
Sure, they have a ways to go before they are really a contender but the team is a consistent playoff threat that seems on a steady rise . . . while making some big moves will be needed to get over the hump, I'm as optimistic about the Knicks as I have been since the late 90s.
The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Huh? why would the GM get full autonomy to do whatever he wants when Leon Rose is president of basketball operations? Rose is schoen, the GM does the leg work and calls teams, Rose is final decision..
and to take it a step further why do we need someone to have autonomy over the group that is in place? for all the bitching we have about Rose not talking to the media and being deliberate in pulling the trigger in big moves this team is in the best combo of current shape and long term possibilities that they have been in my lifetime.
But Perry deserves credit for getting him here. I didn't see anyone give him credit for that move.
The whole Porzingis situation was a nightmare between his brother, KP not talking to the Knicks, and the looming rape situation. I think Perry did a great job there considering the circumstances at the time.
I was in NOLA this weekend and every local I spoke too is so sick of Zion and would swap Randle for him.
I told them, don't think David Griffin would agree and beyond that he despises the Knicks.
they can keep Zion
Yeah going from Randle who's a horse and shows up every night to Zion who disappears for 4 months with a soft tissue injury is definitely no win. Imagine how that would fly in NY.
Yeah I agree. I guess there's no salary cap when it comes to coaches, but to me that type of $ is reserved for hires like Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, Pops if he ever moved on from SA. Guys that come with the gravitas of multiple rings.
Tim McMahon is reporting that the Knicks are watching the Joel Embid situation very closely, hoping he asks out if things go haywire.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
What do we think an Embiid trade would look like?
Others will be better at specifics but I think we would be selling the proverbial farm.
Morey would look for the largest package ever. They would probably get control of the next 7 drafts for the Knicks, through picks and swaps. The player package would be interesting, but I'd say anyone but brunson is fair game.
Brunson. Prolly not Randle as i doubt PHI would want to go that route. But Mitch, Obi, Quick, Grimes and a crap ton of firsts. Maybe RJ to. Itll be so much that many will debate its not worth it, and they might be right. You have to essentially gut your team. Its why superstar trades are so hard to get right. No matter how good the star is, your team takes a massive hit in quality.
If any of you thought Embiid might be traded before, that thought should have left your heads once the Sixers hired Nick Nurse. The dude had his choice of jobs. You really think he’d have taken the Sixers job over others, like Phoenix if they were going to trade Embiid? Not a chance
If any of you thought Embiid might be traded before, that thought should have left your heads once the Sixers hired Nick Nurse. The dude had his choice of jobs. You really think he’d have taken the Sixers job over others, like Phoenix if they were going to trade Embiid? Not a chance
I thought that too, but reportedly, it was money and his relationship with Morey that had him take that job over Phoenix. I'm not sure he got assurances about Embid. That being said, it is highly unlikely they trade him as he does love Philly and they can probably convince him that even if Harden leaves, it is a 1 year rebuild.
If I were Philly and Harden leaves, I'd trade him and rebuild. He is 30 and injury prone and sometimes barely looks like he can run. Trust the Process - Part 2.
Beyond the Knicks, i'm sure there are some great packages out there. Portland comes to mind to start. They have some nice young pieces and picks.
If I were Philly and Harden leaves, I'd trade him and rebuild. He is 30 and injury prone and sometimes barely looks like he can run. Trust the Process - Part 2.
the point of rebuilding is to ultimately get an MVP caliber player. They already have that guy in his prime and he's under contract for 3 more seasons plus a player option.
Unless the situation gets toxic and he forces his way out, I can't see Morey or the owner moving him.
hate what I'm hearing about the new CBA. The NBA has never been able to get this right. They're always reacting to some recent situation and seemingly don't anticipate how the changes will affect teams in the future.
The NFL gets a lot wrong but the one thing the cap and associated rules seem to work fine.
I've linked it below. I don't love ESPN, but I think they have a bunch of good NBA pods (Lowe Post, Hoops Collective).
Feel like the Players association really screwed up by demolishing the middle class. Also, this second tax apron is going to make it impossible for teams above it to operate. It's so punitive. If you're above it you can't sign buyout guys, you can't send out money in trades, you can't take on money in trades, you lose your midlevel exception, AND you can't trade picks further than 7 years out.
Yeah that was horrific. He literally could have played blind folded pin the tail on the donkey with that pick and come up better.
Yeah the team clearly hasn’t gotten better since Leon Rose took over, no reason to believe they’re going to continue to improve. Let’s blow it all up! Fuckin wake up Dolan….
Huh? why would the GM get full autonomy to do whatever he wants when Leon Rose is president of basketball operations? Rose is schoen, the GM does the leg work and calls teams, Rose is final decision..
Aller is already basically 3rd in command behind Rose and Wes..
Its most likely Rosas getting a legit title
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the Knicks FO is organized.
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I just can’t get past the Kevin Knox pick over Mikal Bridges. Not to mention SGA, Miles Bridges and Michael Porter on the board too. That whiff still haunts us.
Yeah that was horrific. He literally could have played blind folded pin the tail on the donkey with that pick and come up better.
Did get Mitch in the second round there. Horrific under Perry was a lot less horrific than previous regimes. The guy deserves some credit for bringing some calm to the shit shows that we had for many years before.
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The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Yeah the team clearly hasn’t gotten better since Leon Rose took over, no reason to believe they’re going to continue to improve. Let’s blow it all up! Fuckin wake up Dolan….
This.
The Knicks seem to be in their first bit of multi-year 'not a completely shit show' period since the Dolans bought the team.
Sure, they have a ways to go before they are really a contender but the team is a consistent playoff threat that seems on a steady rise . . . while making some big moves will be needed to get over the hump, I'm as optimistic about the Knicks as I have been since the late 90s.
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The new 'GM' will have autonomy on the level of Joe Schoen, though that's probably too much to ask. What I'm getting at is I want someone who isn't beholden to keeping Randle... or RJ, for that matter. Outside of Brunson EVERYTHING should be on the table. But with Rose and Wes, I doubt the new guy can do exactly what he wants to do, or needs to do, to REALLY make the team better. One can hope though...
Huh? why would the GM get full autonomy to do whatever he wants when Leon Rose is president of basketball operations? Rose is schoen, the GM does the leg work and calls teams, Rose is final decision..
and to take it a step further why do we need someone to have autonomy over the group that is in place? for all the bitching we have about Rose not talking to the media and being deliberate in pulling the trigger in big moves this team is in the best combo of current shape and long term possibilities that they have been in my lifetime.
But they don't want to call it a firing,we've done too much of that,how about a parting of the ways.
His biggest fail was the Knox pick, but I understand it was more Mills than him that fell in love with Knox.
The year after, Mills wanted to trade the #3 pick for 2 picks and Perry insisted they stand pat and take Barrett.
A couple of tidbts I have heard.
+1. What influence did Perry even have?
huh?
again, huh?
huh?
Was there something factually wrong with that?
Dude you prove with every single post you have no idea whats going on with Knicks...
The whole Porzingis situation was a nightmare between his brother, KP not talking to the Knicks, and the looming rape situation. I think Perry did a great job there considering the circumstances at the time.
I told them, don't think David Griffin would agree and beyond that he despises the Knicks.
I told them, don't think David Griffin would agree and beyond that he despises the Knicks.
they can keep Zion
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I was in NOLA this weekend and every local I spoke too is so sick of Zion and would swap Randle for him.
I told them, don't think David Griffin would agree and beyond that he despises the Knicks.
they can keep Zion
Yeah going from Randle who's a horse and shows up every night to Zion who disappears for 4 months with a soft tissue injury is definitely no win. Imagine how that would fly in NY.
Could reach 100 million
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for 6yrs/$72 million. Monster contract.
Could reach 100 million
Overrated coach
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for 6yrs/$72 million. Monster contract.
Could reach 100 million
Overrated coach
Yeah I agree. I guess there's no salary cap when it comes to coaches, but to me that type of $ is reserved for hires like Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, Pops if he ever moved on from SA. Guys that come with the gravitas of multiple rings.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
What do we think an Embiid trade would look like?
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Tim McMahon is reporting that the Knicks are watching the Joel Embid situation very closely, hoping he asks out if things go haywire.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
What do we think an Embiid trade would look like?
Others will be better at specifics but I think we would be selling the proverbial farm.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
Is this new reporting or just parroting the comments that have been made by various talking heads seconds after the Sixers were eliminated?
Everyone knows Rose and Embiid are/were close - but it's extremely unlikely Morey trades the MVP.
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Tim McMahon is reporting that the Knicks are watching the Joel Embid situation very closely, hoping he asks out if things go haywire.
An obvious report, but some confirmation that he might be the target.
What do we think an Embiid trade would look like?
Others will be better at specifics but I think we would be selling the proverbial farm.
Morey would look for the largest package ever. They would probably get control of the next 7 drafts for the Knicks, through picks and swaps. The player package would be interesting, but I'd say anyone but brunson is fair game.
I thought that too, but reportedly, it was money and his relationship with Morey that had him take that job over Phoenix. I'm not sure he got assurances about Embid. That being said, it is highly unlikely they trade him as he does love Philly and they can probably convince him that even if Harden leaves, it is a 1 year rebuild.
Beyond the Knicks, i'm sure there are some great packages out there. Portland comes to mind to start. They have some nice young pieces and picks.
the point of rebuilding is to ultimately get an MVP caliber player. They already have that guy in his prime and he's under contract for 3 more seasons plus a player option.
Unless the situation gets toxic and he forces his way out, I can't see Morey or the owner moving him.
Lots of the pundits on pods have been insinuating that it's going to be a crazy offseason with a lot of movement as everyone prepares for the new CBA.
The NFL gets a lot wrong but the one thing the cap and associated rules seem to work fine.
Hard cap. No exceptions. No maxes.
Feel like the Players association really screwed up by demolishing the middle class. Also, this second tax apron is going to make it impossible for teams above it to operate. It's so punitive. If you're above it you can't sign buyout guys, you can't send out money in trades, you can't take on money in trades, you lose your midlevel exception, AND you can't trade picks further than 7 years out.
Clips and GSW are going to have to try to make moves this offseason or they're going to be in for some tough times I think.
Hoops Collective talking Knicks... - ( New Window )
The opposite is true. If anything they have been criticized for having too many voices.
It’s hard to judge Perry because he was stuck with Mills above him. But it’s telling he stuck around for this long.
I do thjnk the Knicks will be agressive, for some reason i think KP-Reid will be the starting front court
I do thjnk the Knicks will be agressive, for some reason i think KP-Reid will be the starting front court
So you think they are trading Randle for KP?
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but with the hiring of Nurse thats not going to happen this year..
I do thjnk the Knicks will be agressive, for some reason i think KP-Reid will be the starting front court
So you think they are trading Randle for KP?
I dont know, just a gut feeling, dont know how they get there