These were announced last week, just catching up.
Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller went through the running back rooms for all NFL teams.
They both had the Giants RB room and SF RB room tied as the top 2 RB rooms in the NFL (point wise). For the actual ranking, they both put SF #1 and the Giants #2.
For the Giants RB room, they listed the top 4 as:
Barkley
Breida
Gray
Brightwell
as the group. They mentioned Dabs commitment to running the ball as one of the reasons for ranking them high.
The other Top 5 (6) teams were:
Green Bay
Washington
New England
Pittsburgh
Yes, You can.
Only if you’re rating running game, not RBs.
Only if they can stay healthy.
What criteria was used for the list? The only one mentioned was commitment to running the ball but the Giants were 8th in attempts.
Also, regarding Philly, don't forget about Hurts. He's got one of the better arms I've ever seen on a RB. Almost QB like.
Also, regarding Philly, don't forget about Hurts. He's got one of the better arms I've ever seen on a RB. Almost QB like.
Position, group, or just the best RBs? I feel like when someone says something like room, people run with it. Same thing when Eli answered the question about elite. We had to have a million threads on the word elite. Then you had Gettleman say QB hell and that was used over and over and over again.
No. Their OL is one of the best. And isn't Swift the guy who's always injured ? Their room is solid but lesser than it was last year ago. Neither of those guys is a near a top RB.
But it's so much easier to write "room" after a position instead just adding an "s" to make it plural!
Position, group, or just the best RBs? I feel like when someone says something like room, people run with it. Same thing when Eli answered the question about elite. We had to have a million threads on the word elite. Then you had Gettleman say QB hell and that was used over and over and over again.
I agree elite, Qb hell are terms that spark nauseating debate, but the difference is they're ambiguous terms. Everyone makes it up as they go.
Starter
Backups
They do this with all teams and all positions during the off season.
These guys actually know football, unlike a bunch of shit that gets put out there from sites begging for clicks.
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Philly needs to be near the top with Swift/ Penny.
No. Their OL is one of the best. And isn't Swift the guy who's always injured ? Their room is solid but lesser than it was last year ago. Neither of those guys is a near a top RB.
Exactly. I think the Eagles made a mistake not keeping Sanders. The guys they have are pedestrian. Swift's health has been a constant question and has affected his overall productivity as well.
I agree. I think with the addition of Gray, the Giants don't have to give as many touches to Barkley. A fresh Barkley with hopefully an improved O-Line and passing game is a dangerous Barkley. The decrease touch could prolong his career. I would like to have him inked to a reasonable 3 years deal.
Does it bother me? Yeah, a bit, but I'm not going to war against it. It bothers me the same way lots of other unnecessary verbiage bothers me. It's often a pretentious attempt to make the user sound more sophisticated. There's a lot of it among sportswriters, fans, and broadcasters.
And speaking of "verbiage" ... the next time a sportscaster or coach pronounces that word correctly may be the first.
Does it bother me? Yeah, a bit, but I'm not going to war against it. It bothers me the same way lots of other unnecessary verbiage bothers me. It's often a pretentious attempt to make the user sound more sophisticated. There's a lot of it among sportswriters, fans, and broadcasters.
And speaking of "verbiage" ... the next time a sportscaster or coach pronounces that word correctly may be the first.
They literally do have separate meeting rooms for each position. It's the term that every coach in the league uses, so why would it be surprising that the media (and by extension, fans) would pick up on that and use the same term, in the same way, that they hear it from the coaches themselves?
Do you feel awkward using contractor language when you go to Home Depot? How about cooking parlance at a restaurant? Automotive lingo when you bring your car to the shop?
Being bothered by something as innocuous as a word, especially one that has become more common in use and requires no inside knowledge to understand, seems to be a choice you're making.
That would significantly move Dallas up the RB chart.
It bothers me too. Some writer talked about positions that way once -- now everyone has to use it.
Never heard a casual fan use this.
However, I did hear a 10+ year NFL QB and x NFL GM use this term, who actually know a lot about football.
Yeah, like typing EDGE with all caps. It's like they're part of the show, man!
Lol, we need the season to start fast. Once the word usage angst starts to surface the off season has officially run its course.
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It bothers me too. Some writer talked about positions that way once -- now everyone has to use it.
The first time that I remember BBI at large using "room" when discussing a position group was after Shurmur explained that "[Alex Tanney] adds to the room" to justify his infatuation with carrying Tanney on the roster.
Only if a guy can “stick his foot in the ground”
These coach-speak-isms can be funny, but not sure why anyones bothered by it
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“have a knee”?
Only if a guy can “stick his foot in the ground”
These coach-speak-isms can be funny, but not sure why anyones bothered by it
Bc people are strange little idiosyncratic beings and you can't really help what annoys you. "Room" in reference to a positional group doesn't bother me but I wanna kick people in the shin when they say "draft capital". No idea why, just bugs me. Overuse doesn't help either.
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“have a knee”?
Only if a guy can “stick his foot in the ground”
These coach-speak-isms can be funny, but not sure why anyones bothered by it
Bc people are strange little idiosyncratic beings and you can't really help what annoys you. "Room" in reference to a positional group doesn't bother me but I wanna kick people in the shin when they say "draft capital". No idea why, just bugs me. Overuse doesn't help either.
Agree. “Draft Capital is by far the most irksome..
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In comment 16125850 eric2425ny said:
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“have a knee”?
Only if a guy can “stick his foot in the ground”
These coach-speak-isms can be funny, but not sure why anyones bothered by it
Bc people are strange little idiosyncratic beings and you can't really help what annoys you. "Room" in reference to a positional group doesn't bother me but I wanna kick people in the shin when they say "draft capital". No idea why, just bugs me. Overuse doesn't help either.
Agree. “Draft Capital is by far the most irksome..
See, to me, "draft capital" is one of the most useful bits of "insider jargon" that has been recently popularized. The reason for that, IMO, is that simply saying "draft picks" refers to the quantity of selections that a team possesses. The value of those picks, in terms of where in each round the pick falls, represents a more meaningful consideration. And while the terminology itself might feel lame because of how repetitive (and pretentious) it has become, it - unlike some of the other examples in this thread - actually does describe something that wasn't accurately conveyed using the previously popular wording (most commonly, "draft picks").
For example, if a team has the 1st and 2nd overall picks in the draft, but no other selections, while another team has 10 picks in the 7th round and no other selections (this is an admittedly extreme example), you'd say that the latter has more draft picks, but clearly the former has greater draft capital. Acknowledging that the term itself can be annoying, how else would you convey the significantly greater value that can be represented by a lesser quantity of picks?
Looking forward to seeing SB and the others behind a much better OL and skill group. That should make things easier for them against the better fronts and they are going to face a bunch of them this upcoming season.
Agree. “Draft Capital is by far the most irksome..
See, to me, "draft capital" is one of the most useful bits of "insider jargon" that has been recently popularized.
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+1
Draft capital is a perfect description of an important concept.
The "room" thing is like an annoying TikTok meme.