Giants versus NFC East

are doable. (I would suspect that privately, Daboll was none too pleased at last year's division record plus the playoff blowout- which we know still rankles him. )

Getting a win against the Cowboys is important. A 3-3 NFCE record would be bigger than it seems. Puts us in the conversation. Avoiding any blowout losses, Eagles or otherwise, is a similarly reasonable goal. At the same time we could be a better team and have a worse record given the schedule. Need to steal a win say against say the 49ers with their backup QB. Very interesting season coming up.

. . . overall optimistic about the direction the Giants are heading in. That said, I'm expecting a regression season - they had too much luck in one score/fluky scenarios last season and while I think they have improved the team this offseason, it's not enough for me to believe they are much closer to the Eagles.

My hope this year is that they stay in the 9-10 win area with solid improvement overall (less reliance on one score games) - and that next year they continue the climb. The Eagles can't keep the window open forever and the Cowboys already look like they are on the decline; so the goal is to peak in a few years when those teams are falling apart. (I think anyways.)

as well, although not as bad as it became under his successors.

It really caps our season when we are always going 1-5 in the division. Some of this is different now because our division is much stronger than in the past, so we can still win against other teams, but overall it needs to end. There is no reason we can't beat Dallas starting with Sept 10. This will be a big tell IMO

very reasonable.

I too love the overall direction the team is going under Dabs and JS, but would not be surprised to see a slight regression in their 2nd yr perhaps just missing the playoffs, BUT with overall a better team than last yr.

They need one more off season to really challenge PHI and be considered a contender.

can steal a win each from the Cowboys and Eagles this season it'd be a good sign for the near future. I don't know if they've closed the gap on the Eagles just yet though.

first two goals are doable, but I'm a lot more dubious about the third. The Eagles are still far and away the best team in the division and the entire NFC IMO.

would set such a great tone for the season. I agree they should sweep the Commanders. SHould split with the Cowboys. Dont see them beating the Eagles unless they have the number 1 seed locked up by that last game and rest all their starters

lost the battle of the fronts in every division game last season.

When that changes so will the results.

When you look at what the Eagles and Cowboys have on the OL going back 10 years the results are not hard to understand.

Of course there is a lot more to it but the OL is where it starts on the offensive side.

Giants have also been outclassed on the front 7 but not quite as bad in some of the years compared to the OL.

Good news we now have more upper tier players on those fronts with hopefully some more emerging.

Tough to compete when you can't compete up front.

Cowboys and Commanders are beatable.

Our games vs the Eagle will tell us where we are vs. The NFC......would love a legit split.

Is diversity of attack (usual health caveats).

Some say "No true WR1" as if it's a bug. To me -- in the Giants case -- it's overwhelmingly feature. We have 3+ WRs whose speed must be accounted for, a big WR with vacuum hands who eats press coverage, Waller, Bellinger, Gray and Barkley. It's a matchup nightmare for every team in the league including the Eagles. And when it all breaks down Jones will burn you for the 1st......

Semi-automatic slants, TEs running free down the seam, seemingly sure sacks that become 1st downs, constantly head scratching because a 4th on the depth chart guy is unstoppable.......

4 yards almost at will with a beast RB who now has tons of operating room and better blocking and is getting to the second level against guys a step behind from being preoccupied with TEs.......

All stuff that the Eagles have killed us with since McNabb. Now we get a chance to do the same.

Defensively we're primed to go from worst to (close to) first in stopping the run. How good is a one dimensional Eagles offense? I think we'll find out.

Whoever gets out of the NFCE is going to be a handful. I think the Giants have a shot both to do that and bring the Eagles much closer to the pack in the process.

don't focus on the schedule. Focus on the improvement made to OUR team. NY has a chance to be a MAJOR problem for the rest of the league.

It's where they've had most of their issues within the division, even vs Washington. Need to elevate the attitude along with the talent. Should be better in '23, and will need to get better yet next offseason.

It has been a problem since Snee left. Win the line of scrimmage wins the game especially in division games which is why we won't beat the Eagles unless they are resting starters.

In comment 16126269 Chip said:

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It has been a problem since Snee left. Win the line of scrimmage wins the game especially in division games which is why we won't beat the Eagles unless they are resting starters.

I think that remains to be seen. Last year was the high point for the Eagles defense..that could rise to that level again but it would likely require some of their younger recent draft picks to step up and make it happen..that's not a given. Losing Hargrave to the Niners and replacing him with Carter could be a win for Philly..but it might not be right out of the gate.

I think it's less about the Eagles and more about the Giants improvements in run defense(Robinson + additional DT depth + Okereke) and the stabilization at RT and C. JMS and Neal's development and growth are also key in how much of an advantage Philadelphia has up front when the Giants have the ball.

...there is a perceived contender that disappoints and an unexpected division winner that wasn't seen coming.

There's work to be done but there is good reason for optimism.

In comment 16126151 BillT said:

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Getting a win against the Cowboys is important. A 3-3 NFCE record would be bigger than it seems. Puts us in the conversation. Avoiding any blowout losses, Eagles or otherwise, is a similarly reasonable goal. At the same time we could be a better team and have a worse record given the schedule. Need to steal a win say against say the 49ers with their backup QB. Very interesting season coming up.

No such thing as a Niner backup QB.

See 2020 against Nick Mullens.

Beating Dallas twice is a tall order, considering they might be better than the Eagles this year.

The Giants need a lot of things to go their way, with the OL being the biggest area that needs to improve. Plus, starting a rookie CB is not going to make this defense better off the bat, if at all this year.

And Dallas' defense has had our number for quite some time, not sure if that changes this year.

will favor the Cowboys. Luckily turnovers and blown assignments could tilt the score in our favor. Still, as of September 10th, the Cowboys' experience should make them considerable favorites until our O-line gels.

This is the year.

In comment 16126201 Tony in Tampa said:

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very reasonable. I too love the overall direction the team is going under Dabs and JS, but would not be surprised to see a slight regression in their 2nd yr perhaps just missing the playoffs, BUT with overall a better team than last yr. They need one more off season to really challenge PHI and be considered a contender.

For those talking "regression," who is bumping the Giants out of at least a wildcard spot? Detroit and Minnesota are not both making the playoffs. Two teams are not coming out of the south. So, that leaves THREE wildcard spots for the NFC East and West. Giants are in....

For all the grief JF got, the man had success vs. the Eagles. The NFC East is weird when one steps back & looks @ the division...the Giants struggle vs. the Eagles, but own the WFT. On the flip side, WFT holds their own vs. Philadelphia.

If they can get David Sills some cleats, it's a coin flip again with Dallas.

Decent chance the game means nothing to the Eagles. Greatly enhances our chances of getting a split with them.

when they went 13-3, and lost meanless game to Eagles in last game of year. MacAdoos' biggest problem was losing all his WRs to injury, and the fact that Eli was in decline, and Ben lost the team.

if you were a business person and you watched it and paid attention you didn't need to bother with a business MBA. It was all the business education you needed.

IMO if you were lucky enough to be a Giant fan during the Parcells era you learned everything you'd ever need to know about NFL football. Including winning starts with winning your division games and your division.

Eric is on point. If the Giants start beating Philadelphia and Dallas and continue beating Washington we can all start to get very excited.

I am so sick of seeing our guys lose to Dallas and Philly so much. There is no team in professional sports I hate more than the Eagles, yet they have owned Big Blue for several years. I hate that team and their fans with a passion, and can't wait to own Philly again (sort of like how the Mets own the Phillies).
I'm also tired of seeing Dak Prescott beat the Giants, I think he's the biggest fraud in the NFL. I want the Giants D to sack him early and often!

With only the Chiefs and Bengals IMO. I dont think it's fair to ask for the Giants to match them this year or even to ask for a split.

Anything can happen on any given Sunday and a lot will depend on how healthy we are (or they are) when we play, but losing both games to the Eagles and still pulling off 9-11 wins or something like that and going to the postseason, would still be fantastic for this team and roster and an overall huge achievement.

Obviously I would prefer better. I do not think the Eagles and Cowboys are better than they were last year but I do think the Giants are better.

I think the Cowboys kind of remained status quo. Lost a few pieces, replaced a few pieces but really are kind of the same talent wise. What they lost is their OC and I think they will be worse off for that. Sounds like McCarthy wants to be a more balanced team but the O looks more like a passing team.

The Eagles lost quite a few starters and a ton of depth. They lost both coordinators as well. They were built to win it all last season and now trying to hang on to that. They are still a good team but many of their high level talent is long on the tooth. Are their young guys any good? The Eagles 2022 draft picks played the least amount of snaps in the NFL last year. They lost a lot of talent on D.