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The making of a lie (or how Rat Leonard works)

mort christenson : 6/1/2023 11:03 am
Yesterday, beat reporters had a presser with Daboll and got to ask him a range of things. One line of questioning was about the Giants interest in recently released WR DeAndre Hopkins.

This is how Leonard tweeted about Daboll's response:

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@PLeonardNYDN
Darius Slayton to me on DeAndre Hopkins: “I’d say we’re pretty dang good, but I’d say he’s pretty dang good. So it’s kind of one of those ‘more the merrier’ type deals.”

On an intriguing free agent WR that Brian Daboll said the Giants would "look into:"


All well and good until you actually look at Daboll's quotes in response to the questions.

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Q: I’m talking about (wide receiver) DeAndre Hopkins. He’s pretty tall and he’s pretty good. How open would you be to adding a piece like that now and is that something you guys think you would consider?

A: Yeah, no, I’d say like last year, anytime there’s someone that’s available as a free agent, I’d say (general manager) Joe (Schoen) and his staff are going to look into it and research it. We talk about a lot of different players, so regardless of who it is, that’s part of our job to make sure we’re doing our due diligence.


I won't bold anything in the quote but I will point out some specific wording.

"Like last year"--this is pointing to answers he has given in the past which is basically saying "this is a stock answer"

"regardless of who it is"-This is clearly saying again, my answer here is generic, it applies to all cuts or players available in trades or any other avenue.

Leonard takes a generic, stock answer that is 100% and very clearly intended to say "we look into everyone because that is our job and I'm not going to say we have more or less interest" and made it into the Giants are going to "look into" Hopkins. Notice the quotes he used around "look into". Because Daboll said "look into", that is the only quote that Leonard uses but he takes it out of context to make you believe it was specifically said about Hopkins by framing it as he does.

This is obvious. Leonard does stuff like this all the time. Sometimes less obvious. If anyone trusts him on any reporting or uses him as a source for any story, you are a willful fool. There are beat reporters of various capability on the beat but none of them are as journalistically devoid of morals like Leonard. He doesn't care about the truth.

Yeah, spot on.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/1/2023 11:09 am : link
The obsession to “find” the key word or phrase that the reporter believes will play well on Social media is toxic in nature, imv. Need to be first, accuracy be damned.
Leonard has questionable integrity, ( and thats me being nice )  
blueblood : 6/1/2023 11:17 am : link
I called him out once about something he said. He said I was wrong.. then I went and found that actually quote where he said it. Then he blocked me on Twitter
In the immortal words of John Tortorella...  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2023 11:27 am : link
"Stop coaching, Pat"
He works for trash NY Daily News  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/1/2023 11:44 am : link
enough said. Same type of "journalist" as Metha.
I am going to blame the readers  
BH28 : 6/1/2023 11:53 am : link
If people stopped reading just a tweet or headline, they would be much better off. Read the whole dammn article or interview for context's sake.

If I was an unscrupulous journalist  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/1/2023 11:54 am : link
like Rat Leonard, I actually would have edited Daboll's answer into:

"Yeah... it is... our job to make sure.. Joe (Schoen) and his staff are going to look into it".

Yeah, no, I’d say like last year, anytime there’s someone that’s available as a free agent, I’d say (general manager) Joe (Schoen) and his staff are going to look into it and research it. We talk about a lot of different players, so regardless of who it is, that’s part of our job to make sure we’re doing our due diligence.

This is why I refused to click on the link to  
ZogZerg : 6/1/2023 12:07 pm : link
the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.
Great post, Mort. You hit the nail on the head!  
carpoon : 6/1/2023 12:09 pm : link
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No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
Mike from Ohio : 6/1/2023 12:22 pm : link
Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.
Deadspin did a great breakdown back in 2013  
NoPeanutz : 6/1/2023 12:45 pm : link
on how ESPN has developed their entire content library around this Method. It was a pretty great analysis. And once you know what to look for, you see it everywhere- all over cable news. But ESPN might be the worst offender. This is probably how Pat was taught to do his job.
Deadspin: How ESPN Manufactures a Fake Colin Kaepernick Story - ( New Window )
RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
mfsd : 6/1/2023 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16126237 ZogZerg said:
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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.


+1

People give Pat way too much airtime around here. She's doesn't deserve the clicks
RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
mort christenson : 6/1/2023 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16126253 Mike from Ohio said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.
There's always one.
RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
bLiTz 2k : 6/1/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16126253 Mike from Ohio said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.


God...reading comprehension??? He entire point of cherry picking the quote is to mislead.

And you are a numbnuts for defending it.
RE: Deadspin did a great breakdown back in 2013  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/1/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16126271 NoPeanutz said:
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on how ESPN has developed their entire content library around this Method. It was a pretty great analysis. And once you know what to look for, you see it everywhere- all over cable news. But ESPN might be the worst offender. This is probably how Pat was taught to do his job. Deadspin: How ESPN Manufactures a Fake Colin Kaepernick Story - ( New Window )


Would you like to know more? Everything I see in the news reminds me of Starship Trooper nowadays lol
RE: RE: Deadspin did a great breakdown back in 2013  
Chris in Philly : 6/1/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16126289 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 16126271 NoPeanutz said:


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on how ESPN has developed their entire content library around this Method. It was a pretty great analysis. And once you know what to look for, you see it everywhere- all over cable news. But ESPN might be the worst offender. This is probably how Pat was taught to do his job. Deadspin: How ESPN Manufactures a Fake Colin Kaepernick Story - ( New Window )



Would you like to know more? Everything I see in the news reminds me of Starship Trooper nowadays lol


I'm doing my part!
RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/1/2023 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16126237 ZogZerg said:
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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.


Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview
RE: RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
Chris in Philly : 6/1/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16126327 gidiefor said:
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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.



Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview


Rat lover!!
RE: RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
mort christenson : 6/1/2023 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16126327 gidiefor said:
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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.



Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview
Won't read your threads until you finally tell me what's a gidie for?
RE: RE: RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
Big Blue '56 : 6/1/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16126339 mort christenson said:
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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.



Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview

Won't read your threads until you finally tell me what's a gidie for?


Giants die for..Seriously.
RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
Jersey Heel : 6/1/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16126253 Mike from Ohio said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.

Agreed
RE: RE: This is why I refused to click on the link to  
ZogZerg : 6/1/2023 3:19 pm : link
In comment 16126327 gidiefor said:
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In comment 16126237 ZogZerg said:


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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.



Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview


It probably is. But, he has sucked so bad with his takes over the years, I refuse to click, even if it is good.
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mort christenson : 6/1/2023 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16126341 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 16126327 gidiefor said:


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In comment 16126237 ZogZerg said:


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the Darius Slayton interview.
It was from Leonard, I refuse to click on anything he has.



Not defend Leonard for some of his baser journalism techniques - but it is a good interview

Won't read your threads until you finally tell me what's a gidie for?



Giants die for..Seriously.
well....that's a disappointment.
: )  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/1/2023 3:31 pm : link
I calls it likes I see it
Not just him  
Sec 103 : 6/1/2023 3:42 pm : link
Seems like all media sucks anymore, sell their agenda and bolster it with half truths or outright lies. Very few real journalists left, they used to call it yellow journalism in the olden days.
RE: RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
Mike from Ohio : 6/1/2023 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16126284 mort christenson said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.

There's always one.


Someone who doesn't go through life looking to be hurt and offended? Thank you!
If  
MattinKY : 6/1/2023 3:51 pm : link
you can't find the news, make it up.
RE: RE: RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
mort christenson : 6/1/2023 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16126421 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16126253 Mike from Ohio said:


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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.

There's always one.



Someone who doesn't go through life looking to be hurt and offended? Thank you!
Yes, you're a hero.
Could’ve been worse…  
JoeSchoens11 : 6/1/2023 4:10 pm : link
‘Giants considering adding Hopkins? Daboll says “Yeah!!”’
Don't leave out the part..  
Racer : 6/1/2023 4:21 pm : link
...where he guests on podcasts and throws his sympathy net out with a cry of "the fans hate me", like it's us.
RE: Don't leave out the part..  
OdellBeckhamJr : 6/1/2023 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16126444 Racer said:
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...where he guests on podcasts and throws his sympathy net out with a cry of "the fans hate me", like it's us.


Today I learned he has a podcast.

The dude blocked me on Twitter for some reason, I've never even followed him. His skin must be very thin.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
Mike from Ohio : 6/2/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 16126426 mort christenson said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.

There's always one.



Someone who doesn't go through life looking to be hurt and offended? Thank you!

Yes, you're a hero.


Nope, just someone with a different point of view than you. Not sure why that upsets you so much. I disagreed with your observation. I didn't criticize you as a person. You do whatever you need to.
We all know it  
David B. : 6/2/2023 11:00 am : link
And yet, his bullshit persists here because people can't stop talking about it. It's true of his predecessors Serby and Meyer as well. Nothing but shit stirrers, the lot of them. But y'all can't just ignore them. Worse, you have to re post em here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No fan of Leonard, but this isn't a lie  
mort christenson : 6/2/2023 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16126668 Mike from Ohio said:
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Daboll said they look into everyone. Hopkins is available. If both of those sentences are true (which they are), they will look into Hopkins.

If you interpreted it as "Giants holding specific meetings to look into Hopkins and placing calls to his agent" that is your own reading comprehension issue. Sometimes the reader needs to exert their own logic on what they read.

There's always one.



Someone who doesn't go through life looking to be hurt and offended? Thank you!

Yes, you're a hero.



Nope, just someone with a different point of view than you. Not sure why that upsets you so much. I disagreed with your observation. I didn't criticize you as a person. You do whatever you need to.


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your own reading comprehension issue


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I didn't criticize you as a person.


Same person.
Have a great day, Mort  
Mike from Ohio : 6/2/2023 1:52 pm : link
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You too Mike!!  
mort christenson : 6/2/2023 2:43 pm : link
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aww that's so nice  
ChrisRick : 6/2/2023 2:44 pm : link
look at you two coming together to wish each other well on this Friday.
RE: Deadspin did a great breakdown back in 2013  
Chocco : 6/3/2023 11:46 am : link
In comment 16126271 NoPeanutz said:
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on how ESPN has developed their entire content library around this Method. It was a pretty great analysis. And once you know what to look for, you see it everywhere- all over cable news. But ESPN might be the worst offender. This is probably how Pat was taught to do his job. Deadspin: How ESPN Manufactures a Fake Colin Kaepernick Story - ( New Window )

Jeremy Schaap was the worst and creating stories out of nothing and it used to piss me off because his father was an actual great reporter IMO
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