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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/1/2023 7:49 pm
Game 1 tonight in Denver. Most of the predictions I'm seeing-Nuggets in 5 or 6-align with how I feel about this series. I just think Denver is flat-out better with the world's best baller in Jokic, Nuggets have home court advantage, & Denver will be well rested. Miami might make them sweat, but I think this is where it hits midnight for the Cinderella '22-'23 Heat. I sure AF hope it does. I don't want to see Riles get another ring, regardless of how much I respect Spo & Buckets.

Your predictions?
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RE: RE: Malone  
GiantGrit : 6/2/2023 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16126801 dpinzow said:
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Is a Seton Hall Prep guy which is cool. He goes unsung with the Nuggets, he is a very good coach evidenced by his job in Sac Town.

Jokic is so consistently unselfish you forget that he could easily score 30-40 points a night. He understands that he is the engine that makes the team go.

Obviously his stat lines are incredible, I say the above because he will go a full quarter or more sometimes not even attempting to score in order to facilitate - and he'll still score 25.

When Denver drafted MP Jr. I thought they had dynasty potential - if he stayed healthy. And that remains to be seen. But he was a legit top 5 talent. He's a 6'10 wing that can shoot over anyone and has a totally sweet stroke. Seeing Murray come back so elite from the ACL tear is awesome.

Also unsung is Brown off the bench, great role player. The Nuggets are relatively thin depth wise which is why the sweep last round was so crucial - and the Heat having to go 7 made me a firm believer Denver was winning the championship.

Denver is going to be a problem for a long time.



Denver is a great team but they have to win it this year because there is no guarantee they will get to the Finals again, even with Jokic. The West isn't easy to begin with and there will be young teams like OKC with SGA, Giddey, Dort, Holmgren, etc. and San Antonio with Wembanyama challenging Denver in the near future (OKC possibly next year, San Antonio in 2 years or so)


Both of those teams have promising futures but like Denver will need 3-4 years to grow into title teams. Wemby looks great but his body frame, like Holmgren, is a bit concerning. Neither team poses a threat to Denver in the next 2 years, I think the Clippers and Suns could with full health and some roster revamping.

Denver can also get better too though. Aside from Brown their bench is extremely thin.
Osi Osi  
GiantGrit : 6/2/2023 2:44 pm : link
I’m wrong on plenty of my takes but I truthfully liked Ja more than Zion when he came out in terms of who would have a better NBA career. His ambidextrous ability to pass and finish at Murray State was incredible. 6’3 point guard with w 6’7 wingspan and 40 + inch vertical.

Unfortunately not surprised to see Zion have injury problems, he’s kind of too explosive for his own good.

Its discouraging to see Ja has become stagnant at 33, he’s sat at 30% the last two years. Not good enough.

His antics have turned me off from being a fan, I do hope he figures it out. Love Jaren Jackson Jr., silent stud.
Dpinzow  
GiantGrit : 6/2/2023 2:45 pm : link
Speaking of Zion, the Pelicans are a team if fully healthy that could make a lot of noise….a lot of if’s with them though
RE: Osi Osi  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/2/2023 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16126807 GiantGrit said:
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I’m wrong on plenty of my takes but I truthfully liked Ja more than Zion when he came out in terms of who would have a better NBA career. His ambidextrous ability to pass and finish at Murray State was incredible. 6’3 point guard with w 6’7 wingspan and 40 + inch vertical.

Unfortunately not surprised to see Zion have injury problems, he’s kind of too explosive for his own good.

Its discouraging to see Ja has become stagnant at 33, he’s sat at 30% the last two years. Not good enough.

His antics have turned me off from being a fan, I do hope he figures it out. Love Jaren Jackson Jr., silent stud.


I really liked both guys at the time. I thought Zion was the real deal and Morant would be a star. I did think Zion should've been the #1 pick.

Shaq, Giannis, LeBron. Those are the 3 guys since they started tracking data in '97 that stand out above all the others in terms of "Points in the Pain/Restricted Area" as measured by volume and efficiency. Certain guys like Blake Griffin/Dwight Howard peaked in that range as well but especially Blake didn't last long enough.

Zion in his first couple years despite being constantly banged up and overweight still looks like he would be the next in that Shaq/LeBron/Giannis line of interior dominators. His paint scoring efficiency isn't quite at the level of those 3 legends, but his volume is right there if not more. He's just impossible to keep away from the rim.

I mentioned Blake earlier and that's always been a good Zion comp. The fact that Blake fell apart relatively early and Zion is already falling apart is a scary sign for Zion's future. But Blake felt a lot more like a "trained athlete" who relied so much on an insane vertical that he no longer has. Zion relies more on physicality and not necessarilty a crazy vert so I'm hoping his interior scoring skillset has more longevity.

It would be a shame if the NBA world didn't get to see Zion at his peak.

Morant's an idiot. His path was pretty much set. He was going to be a Top 10 player for a decade with Top 3/5 popularity due to his style. His team was/is set-up for a really solid 3-5 year run. He was gonna have a handful of 3rd/4th/5th place MVP finishes over these next 5 years with a chance to "own" one year and be the MVP like Rose in '11. But the way Silver is talking, we can forget about MVP contention next year. Shit, Ja might be suspended 40+ games the way it sounded.

I am so pissed off at him, his family, and his friends. His dad gets made fun of but his mom sounds like the worst. And obviously his friends suck. I know "guns" will be the reason for his suspension, but he needs to get his substance abuse stuff in check. He is costing himself so much money and respect by acting like this clown.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/2/2023 7:01 pm : link
Let me know when Zion is on the court. Tremendous talent for sure, but the dude is ALWAYS on the bench.

As for Ja, what an idiot. As Osi said, Morant was set up for a nice run as a star in this league with kids all wanting to be him. The next Steph in terms of people looking @ him & seeing themselves unlike a physical specimens like a Shaq or Giannis. And he's pissing it down the drain.
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Spider43 : 6/2/2023 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16126904 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Let me know when Zion is on the court. Tremendous talent for sure, but the dude is ALWAYS on the bench.

As for Ja, what an idiot. As Osi said, Morant was set up for a nice run as a star in this league with kids all wanting to be him. The next Steph in terms of people looking @ him & seeing themselves unlike a physical specimens like a Shaq or Giannis. And he's pissing it down the drain.


+1
As expected officiating favoring Miami to start  
nygiants16 : 6/4/2023 8:25 pm : link
phantom double dribble called on Jokic, and zheat getting the ticky tack fouls early..you knew when Dencer shot 20 FTs to Miami's 2 that the officiating was going to adjust to that
Jokic coast to coast  
UConn4523 : 6/4/2023 9:55 pm : link
lol
Jokic has taken over  
nygiants16 : 6/4/2023 9:57 pm : link
..
Is he still Pat the Rat?  
Sean : 6/4/2023 10:40 pm : link
Remember all the bashing about “culture”? Man, Heat Culture is a real thing. So impressive.
The officiating was sus.  
Mike from SI : 6/4/2023 10:47 pm : link
And Miami is not going to shoot 50% from 3 every game. But I'm glad this is a series!
RE: Is he still Pat the Rat?  
nygiants16 : 6/4/2023 10:49 pm : link
In comment 16127754 Sean said:
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Remember all the bashing about “culture”? Man, Heat Culture is a real thing. So impressive.


Its Spoelstra, they have a team full of ubdrsfted free agents and aging vets and a star in Butler..its Spoelstra, its not zriley, Spoelstra is the best coach in the NBA, if he became free id give him 20 million
RE: RE: Is he still Pat the Rat?  
Mike from SI : 6/4/2023 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16127762 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16127754 Sean said:


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Remember all the bashing about “culture”? Man, Heat Culture is a real thing. So impressive.



Its Spoelstra, they have a team full of ubdrsfted free agents and aging vets and a star in Butler..its Spoelstra, its not zriley, Spoelstra is the best coach in the NBA, if he became free id give him 20 million


Yeah Coach Spo is that dude.
pretty shocked miami won a game  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2023 11:21 pm : link
especially on the road. pat riley has a pretty good claim to being the best exec in the modern sports era. theo epstein, jerry west, cant think of too many others on that level?
RE: RE: Is he still Pat the Rat?  
Sean : 6/5/2023 5:56 am : link
In comment 16127762 nygiants16 said:
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Remember all the bashing about “culture”? Man, Heat Culture is a real thing. So impressive.



Its Spoelstra, they have a team full of ubdrsfted free agents and aging vets and a star in Butler..its Spoelstra, its not zriley, Spoelstra is the best coach in the NBA, if he became free id give him 20 million

Come on. Riley sets the tone for the culture. It’s the same type of team as the 90’s Knicks. Not super talented but very scrappy. They will outwork you.
The Heat are amazing. On every level of the playoffs, they were  
Ira : 6/5/2023 7:22 am : link
expected to get their butts kicked. Yet, they beat the Bucks, the Knicks and the Celtics and have taken one on the road from the Nuggets.
Spoelstra isn't on the court hitting three pointers  
shyster : 6/5/2023 11:39 am : link
and the Heat's undrafted players are doing more than just working hard. They have some talent, and somebody in the Heat front office noticed.

Riley isn't doing that by himself. Other teams have been after Andy Simon, who is nominally the assistant to GM Andy Elisburg, who has been there forever.

Riley is rightly due the credit as conductor of the orchestra.
RE: Spoelstra isn't on the court hitting three pointers  
Sean : 6/5/2023 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16127938 shyster said:
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and the Heat's undrafted players are doing more than just working hard. They have some talent, and somebody in the Heat front office noticed.

Riley isn't doing that by himself. Other teams have been after Andy Simon, who is nominally the assistant to GM Andy Elisburg, who has been there forever.

Riley is rightly due the credit as conductor of the orchestra.

Riley has given Spoelstra time. He’s great because Riley has allowed him to be great. Other owners are firing coaches shortly after winning titles.

When players tried to go over Spoelstra’s head directly to Riley, he addressed the team and told them to never go over the coaches head again. Riley gets it.
Miami having a tough time  
Del Shofner : 6/7/2023 10:33 pm : link
with Denver tonight...
Heat Culture is no match for Christian Braun tonight.  
bceagle05 : 6/7/2023 10:33 pm : link
Denver annihilating Miami in Game 3.
Building culture, step 1  
Ron Johnson : 6/8/2023 8:23 am : link
Find a bunch of guys who can shoot 3s
Garbage fifth foul on Jokic  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2023 10:43 pm : link
gives Miami a chance to mount a fourth quarter comeback. Two more garbage calls on Denver has the lead down to six. Scott Foster and Co. putting in serious work tonight.
Spoelstra  
Ron Johnson : 6/9/2023 11:03 pm : link
Doesn’t know whether to shit or wind his watch
Bruce Brown of all people hitting daggers  
dpinzow : 6/9/2023 11:06 pm : link
in an NBA Finals game on the road. What a time to be alive
Lead has gotten so big  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2023 11:07 pm : link
the refs haven’t even bothered to foul Jokic out with another bullshit call.
not sure if this is the worst-reffed or  
Del Shofner : 6/12/2023 10:19 pm : link
best-reffed NBA game I've ever seen.

They're certainly letting them play.
RE: not sure if this is the worst-reffed or  
UConn4523 : 6/12/2023 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16132173 Del Shofner said:
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best-reffed NBA game I've ever seen.

They're certainly letting them play.


The 2nd quarter was a whistle fest, I guess they got the memo at halftime to chill the fuck out and actually let them play some basketball.
Aaron Gordon is the oerfect example  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2023 10:35 pm : link
of a guy who was basically the face of a franchise in Orlando, gets traded to a contending team and no complaints takes his role and basically become a grit and bully type of player and does whatever is needed to win...


More "star" players need to understsnd that
Butler a complete no-show in this game  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2023 10:39 pm : link
and this series.
Jimmy wakes up  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2023 10:49 pm : link
and is gifted three free throws.
Marc Davis is one of the worst officials in the NBA  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2023 10:50 pm : link
what is Aaron Gordon supposed to do? he is literally stabding there and Jimmy kicks him, how is that a foul?
Mystery is solved  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2023 10:58 pm : link
Scott Foster is the replay official
Jokic checking on the Miami players  
UConn4523 : 6/12/2023 11:03 pm : link
and not celebrating yet is impressive. Love this guy.
Great champion  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/12/2023 11:03 pm : link
Best regular season WC team, best playoff team, led by the best player and a really nice team.

Very impressive all around. If Murray can play this well, they’ll be tough to beat.
Good for Jokic  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2023 11:05 pm : link
but also good for Murray, dude battled injuries and took a long time to be able to get back to what he was before the Knee injury
Gentleman's sweep  
dpinzow : 6/12/2023 11:07 pm : link
the only game Miami won was by 3 and they had to shoot 50% from downtown just to avoid a sweep.

Jokic is an all time great and Murray reminds me a lot of Brunson with his toughness
Great year all around.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2023 11:07 pm : link
Knicks overachieve, Miami/Philly/Boston come up short, Kyrie/KD era ends in Brooklyn, and we get a new, likable champ.
I was so pumped when the Knicks drafted Cleanthony Early  
Anakim : 6/12/2023 11:11 pm : link
But man, what I would do to go back in time and have the Knicks take Jokic...
RE: Great year all around.  
JohnG in Albany : 6/12/2023 11:16 pm : link
In comment 16132195 bceagle05 said:
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Knicks overachieve, Miami/Philly/Boston come up short, Kyrie/KD era ends in Brooklyn, and we get a new, likable champ.


This sounds about right to me.
The Denver dynasty scenario exists  
dpinzow : 6/12/2023 11:21 pm : link
but it all depends on whether Michael Porter remains healthy and puts all of his talent together. That guy has off the charts talent. Even though teams like OKC and San Antonio will be there down the line to challenge them, Denver still has room to improve (specifically Porter)
The more immediate challenges to Denver  
dpinzow : 6/12/2023 11:30 pm : link
will be Curry/GS, Phoenix/KD, and possibly the Clippers. Memphis would be there to challenge but they won't have Morant for a good portion of next season and the Lakers current group doesn't have a chance. Pelicans will be good only if Zion is healthy.

Once again, I really like OKC as a future rival for Denver. SGA, Giddey, Dort, Chet Holmgren are really good and incredibly young
Congrats to Denver, their patient fans and of course to the 2nd round  
Ira : 6/13/2023 4:43 am : link
pick who became the finals MVP.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/13/2023 6:22 am : link
Glad for Denver.

Jokic has to be the best second round pick in NBA history. He's just amazing.
I think Bam committed  
Enzo : 6/13/2023 8:27 am : link
20-25 fouls in that game.
Denver won  
spike : 6/13/2023 8:46 am : link
despite the NBA's best attempt to extend the series. That 3 point foul in front of the Nuggets bench was atrocious.
Jimmy Butler has to take some blame  
spike : 6/13/2023 8:51 am : link
for that awful contested 3 pointer, with plenty of time remaining in the 24 shot clock.

After a timeout, they could've drawn up a higher percentage play.
RE: Jimmy Butler has to take some blame  
Stu11 : 6/13/2023 9:09 am : link
In comment 16132266 spike said:
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for that awful contested 3 pointer, with plenty of time remaining in the 24 shot clock.

After a timeout, they could've drawn up a higher percentage play.

Frankly Butler was pretty much crap after the Milwaukee series. Maybe turning his ankle vs the Knicks in game 1 was worse than he let on? He shot basically about 40% from the 2nd rd on. Kudos and a big thanks to Denver for taking out the Lakers and the Heat in the last 2 rds. They are a very good worthy and likeable champion. They are fun to watch play and they saved us from watching the Lakers win like their 100th championship or Pat the Rat winning another one. On to the off season and hopefully some good Knicks moves!
RE: RE: Jimmy Butler has to take some blame  
spike : 6/13/2023 9:12 am : link
In comment 16132268 Stu11 said:
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for that awful contested 3 pointer, with plenty of time remaining in the 24 shot clock.

After a timeout, they could've drawn up a higher percentage play.


Frankly Butler was pretty much crap after the Milwaukee series. Maybe turning his ankle vs the Knicks in game 1 was worse than he let on? He shot basically about 40% from the 2nd rd on. Kudos and a big thanks to Denver for taking out the Lakers and the Heat in the last 2 rds. They are a very good worthy and likeable champion. They are fun to watch play and they saved us from watching the Lakers win like their 100th championship or Pat the Rat winning another one. On to the off season and hopefully some good Knicks moves!


It is nice to see a franchise winning their first ever championship (since 1967). I hope we see a new dynasty being made here.
The interesting thing is this is the first time in decades  
Stu11 : 6/13/2023 10:38 am : link
Where I feel the Knicks are not so far away from competing with the champion. We competed well against Denver in the regular season games, and yes they are most definitely better than the Knicks right now, but if the Knicks bring in the right player they can absolutely compete with them in the not so distant future.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/13/2023 7:09 pm : link
Denver is going to be a bitch for awhile going forward. I just can't get over how good The Joker has become. I remember being impressed with him as a rookie for being a second round pick & figured he'd become a nice player, but I never in a million years saw this: 2X MVP, NBA Finals MVP, 5X All NBA. If he retired tomorrow, he's probably what...top 20 all time? 25? He's skyrocketing up the list. If the NBA redid the NBA 75th Anniversary Team tomorrow, he's easily-EASILY-on the list.
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