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NFC East Positional Rankings

Ballin1992 : 6/2/2023 1:11 am
Couple podcasts/media members completed a NFC East Positional Tier List, was curious where you all would rank. Heres mine:

Offense:
QB: Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Commanders
RB: Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Commanders
WR: Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants
TE: Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders
OT: Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Commanders
IOL: Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders, Giants

Overall Avg: 1.5 Eagles, 2.5 Cowboys, 2.5 Giants, 3.5 Commanders

Defense:
IDL: Giants, Commanders, Eagles, Cowboys
EDGE: Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders, Giants
LB: Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, Commanders
Outside CB: Eagles, Cowboys, Giants, Commanders
Nickel DB: Cowboys, Eagles, Commanders, Giants
S: Cowboys, Commanders, Giants, Eagles

Overall Avg: 1.8 Cowboys, 2.3 Eagles, 2.8 Giants, 3 Commanders

Special Teams:
K: Giants, Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys
P: Commanders, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles
Returner: Commanders, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants
Coverage/Blocking Unit: Commanders, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants

Overall Avg: 1.5 Commanders, 2.5 Cowboys, 3 Eagles, 3 Giants

Coaching Staff: Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders
Front Office: Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Commanders


The 2 that popped right out to me  
TrueBlue56 : 6/2/2023 6:44 am : link
RB: Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Commanders

Giants, eagles, commanders, cowboys

Pollard is coming off injury and the cowboys don't have much in depth. Eagles have multiple RB's and the commanders have Robinson and Gibson.

WR: Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants

The cowboys have Lamb, cooks and Gallup. The commanders have McLaurin. Dallas is 2
Coaching Staff: Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders  
George from PA : 6/2/2023 6:59 am : link
My money is on the coaches to make the biggest difference.

The Giants have a big advantage......returning everyone while the Eagles have both new defensive and offensive Coordinators and McCarthy desperate move of firing Moore.....who was a bright star just 2 years ago.

I trust the Commanders HC more than the Eagles and Cowboys.

Ranking is interesting but in many cases the difference is marginal which makes it irrelevant.....and sometimes major.

Last year...the Giants WR, OL, ILber rooms were a major concern....over the other guys.....

The Giants made major improvements across the board.
WR  
stretch234 : 6/2/2023 7:17 am : link
Commanders also have Curtis Samuel who is better than Gallup and Jahan Dotson who was a R last year and had 7 TDs and almost 15 yards per catch
We have the worst EDGE?  
BillT : 6/2/2023 7:37 am : link
With KT and Ojulari. Yeah, Ojulari has to stay on the field but even so not buying that. And Holmes/Flott are the worst nickel. No. Not close. And Okereke is easily better than Vander Esch. On the other hand, not sure Payne and Allen aren’t the best IDL and the Eagles a close second even if Dex is individually the best. But thanks. Interesting
A for effort. This is a very difficult exercise unless you are  
Ivan15 : 6/2/2023 7:46 am : link
A Pro Scout. Very subjective.
Is this based on last year’s end of season roster? Do you consider incoming rookies? Do you consider improvement from young players? Do you consider return of injured players to their previous performance level? How well do you know the other teams compared to the Giants?

So many things to consider. You created a great discussion starter.
RE: The 2 that popped right out to me  
Ballin1992 : 6/2/2023 7:54 am : link
In comment 16126611 TrueBlue56 said:
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RB: Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Commanders

Giants, eagles, commanders, cowboys

Pollard is coming off injury and the cowboys don't have much in depth. Eagles have multiple RB's and the commanders have Robinson and Gibson.

WR: Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants

The cowboys have Lamb, cooks and Gallup. The commanders have McLaurin. Dallas is 2


I can definitely see the arguments here.

As far as RB--A fibular fracture isn't a concern moving forward as long as there are no set-backs with soft-tissue injuries. Pollard was a top-10 back last year. I expect they'll bring in another back or resign Zeke, but as long as he's healthy the Cowboys are above the Eagles and Commanders for me. Robinson and Gibson are both young and have warts, they haven't had the highs that Penny and Swift have had
and Gainwell and Scott are both great depth pieces.

As far as WR--I almost did put the Cowboys above the Commanders. Dak is vastly superior to anyone who has thrown to McLaurin but I don't think there is a great separation between him and CeeDee. Dotson's rookie season doesn't get enough praise--he was a top 15 pick and was a better player than either Cooks or Gallup in 2022. I expect that gap to become wider in 2023. Samuel was more productive than Gallup who has an excute--he was coming off injury. Samuel was similarly productive to Cooks also but I'd rank the receivers between them:

Lamb
McLaurin
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Dotson
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Gallup
Cooks
Samuel
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Dyami Brown
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Tolbert

RE: We have the worst EDGE?  
Ballin1992 : 6/2/2023 8:35 am : link
In comment 16126617 BillT said:
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With KT and Ojulari. Yeah, Ojulari has to stay on the field but even so not buying that. And Holmes/Flott are the worst nickel. No. Not close. And Okereke is easily better than Vander Esch. On the other hand, not sure Payne and Allen aren’t the best IDL and the Eagles a close second even if Dex is individually the best. But thanks. Interesting


Eagles and Cowboys are comfortably 1 and 2. Eagles three 10 sack players 2022 and a 1st round talent added in Nolan Smith. Cowboys have top 10ish player in the NFL in Parsons, DLaw although on decline can still wreck a game. Behind them
Behind them Sam Williams, Dorace Armstrong, Tak McKinley, and Dante Fowler--talented players with some production in limited snaps.

Only argument is between Giants or Commanders. Sweat has performed better than either Kayvon or Ojulari, Young was a top pick can't comfortably put him behind either of ours given his traits and potential. Even if you say its a draw, what do we have behind those two? Not close to Commanders with Smith-Williams, Obada, and Henry.

The Slot DB is also not particularly close for me either. Dallas has Bland/Wilson/Lewis with the first two being young and ascending players. Eagles have Maddox/Edmunds/Scott. Commanders with Curl/Jartavius Martin (2nd round pick)/St Juste. Giants have McCain/Flott/Holmes/Robinson. Giants are easily the worst and it's not close--the signing of McCain and the drafting of Flott/Robinson are larger question marks than any other team has.

For ILB, I agree about Okereke being the best player at the position in the division, but the rest of our off-ball linebackers are far worse than Cowboys'. This one was close for me as well.

For DT, I see the argument but the difference between Lawrence to Allen is far more than the difference between Payne and Leo for me. I also think that Robinson and Nacho are better than Andersen and Mathis. Philadelphia could skyrocket to 1 this season with Milton Williams who is solid, but Carter hasn't played a snap, and Davis didn't look like the difference-maker he was expected to be.

Curious to see what your rankings would be otherwise
I have very little doubt that Jones is better than Prescott  
Hammer : 6/2/2023 9:12 am : link
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So the summary is they pick us for last if you add up the  
PatersonPlank : 6/2/2023 9:36 am : link
numbers?
Jon  
Toth029 : 6/2/2023 9:39 am : link
Casillas even said, it's about right now and going into 2023. That's why he had Washington DT group ahead the Giants.

He also hated the Giants ST group which John Schmelk loved because of Gano. I do agree the coverage units were poor and the punt group was ordinary. Return team forgetful.

I like the direction of the team and don't care where they put several guys. I do know they have a great coaching staff who knows how to use their players. It's going to come down to health.
Ballin  
BillT : 6/2/2023 9:43 am : link
Like I said it’s an interesting discussion. Here is probably most of the issue. The other teams are much further along in their team building. Almost all of their players have more years in the league and their performances are better established. We are counting on 2nd and 3rd year players to step up. So, if you’re going by what these guys have done they certainly have an advantage.

Take EDGE. Guys like Parsons, Reddick have shown what they can do. I think KT will show himself to be their equal (as will Flott at nickel) but to be fair we’ll have to see. On the same note though guys like DLaw and Young have shown they aren’t top players and you give them too much credit. I’d take Ojulari over either. And Okereke and McKinney are the best at their positions and you don’t give us much credit for them.

We still have a ways to go talent wise and improvement from the 2nd and 3rd year players will be key. Next year’s positional rankings will be more telling. .
Special teams from last year went  
fanatic II : 6/2/2023 10:54 am : link
Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY

Punt ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
Kick ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
FG% Dal, NY, Phi, Was
XP% Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Punt avg. Dal, Was, NY, Phi
Inside 20 Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Punt cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Kick cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi

Offense went Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Defense went Dal, Phi, Was, NY

I still see it as Philadelphia and Dallas top tier, then NY in the middle tier, then Washington lower tier. I don't think this off season has changed that.
RE: RE: We have the worst EDGE?  
Angel Eyes : 6/2/2023 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16126637 Ballin1992 said:
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In comment 16126617 BillT said:


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With KT and Ojulari. Yeah, Ojulari has to stay on the field but even so not buying that. And Holmes/Flott are the worst nickel. No. Not close. And Okereke is easily better than Vander Esch. On the other hand, not sure Payne and Allen aren’t the best IDL and the Eagles a close second even if Dex is individually the best. But thanks. Interesting



Eagles and Cowboys are comfortably 1 and 2. Eagles three 10 sack players 2022 and a 1st round talent added in Nolan Smith. Cowboys have top 10ish player in the NFL in Parsons, DLaw although on decline can still wreck a game. Behind them
Behind them Sam Williams, Dorace Armstrong, Tak McKinley, and Dante Fowler--talented players with some production in limited snaps.

Only argument is between Giants or Commanders. Sweat has performed better than either Kayvon or Ojulari, Young was a top pick can't comfortably put him behind either of ours given his traits and potential. Even if you say its a draw, what do we have behind those two? Not close to Commanders with Smith-Williams, Obada, and Henry.

The Slot DB is also not particularly close for me either. Dallas has Bland/Wilson/Lewis with the first two being young and ascending players. Eagles have Maddox/Edmunds/Scott. Commanders with Curl/Jartavius Martin (2nd round pick)/St Juste. Giants have McCain/Flott/Holmes/Robinson. Giants are easily the worst and it's not close--the signing of McCain and the drafting of Flott/Robinson are larger question marks than any other team has.

For ILB, I agree about Okereke being the best player at the position in the division, but the rest of our off-ball linebackers are far worse than Cowboys'. This one was close for me as well.

For DT, I see the argument but the difference between Lawrence to Allen is far more than the difference between Payne and Leo for me. I also think that Robinson and Nacho are better than Andersen and Mathis. Philadelphia could skyrocket to 1 this season with Milton Williams who is solid, but Carter hasn't played a snap, and Davis didn't look like the difference-maker he was expected to be.

Curious to see what your rankings would be otherwise

I'd say Lawrence and Payne and Leo and Allen are closer comps based on usage.
RE: Special teams from last year went  
Mike in NY : 6/2/2023 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16126706 fanatic II said:
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Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY

Punt ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
Kick ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
FG% Dal, NY, Phi, Was
XP% Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Punt avg. Dal, Was, NY, Phi
Inside 20 Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Punt cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Kick cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi

Offense went Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Defense went Dal, Phi, Was, NY

I still see it as Philadelphia and Dallas top tier, then NY in the middle tier, then Washington lower tier. I don't think this off season has changed that.


The problem with Dallas is their coaching I think puts them in the same tier as the Giants even though on paper they should be in Philly’s tier. I just don’t see them getting over the hump to get to a CC let alone a Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Special teams from last year went  
fanatic II : 6/2/2023 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16126895 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16126706 fanatic II said:


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Dallas, Washington, Philadelphia, NY

Punt ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
Kick ret. Dal, Phi, Was, NY
FG% Dal, NY, Phi, Was
XP% Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Punt avg. Dal, Was, NY, Phi
Inside 20 Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Punt cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi
Kick cov. Was, Dal, NY, Phi

Offense went Phi, Dal, NY, Was
Defense went Dal, Phi, Was, NY

I still see it as Philadelphia and Dallas top tier, then NY in the middle tier, then Washington lower tier. I don't think this off season has changed that.



The problem with Dallas is their coaching I think puts them in the same tier as the Giants even though on paper they should be in Philly’s tier. I just don’t see them getting over the hump to get to a CC let alone a Super Bowl.


I just don't see the disrespect for McCarthy.

He is 30-20 for a .600 winning percentage in Dallas and his first year he lost his starting QB for the year. Last two years 24-10. Heck, Siranni is considered better and he's 23-11 in his only two years as a coach.

In 16 years his teams have made the playoffs 11 times. He has won a championship.

I don't see how Daboll in year one goes 9-7-1 and is considered a top coach. That's like declaring a draft class a success after one year. You need more time and results before you can elevate a new coach over an established coach.

I don't see the edge in coaching.
RE: I have very little doubt that Jones is better than Prescott  
Carl in CT : 6/3/2023 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16126652 Hammer said:
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I agree that stands out right off the bat!
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