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NFT: Mets vs Blue Jays: Game 1 - Verlander vs Bassitt - 7:10pm ET

Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 5:28 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups today & tomorrow vs. the Blue Jays
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The Mets are facing a former member of their starting rotation from last year for the second game in a row; yesterday it was Walker and today it's Bassitt.
-All three of the kids are in the starting lineup tonight for something like only the fourth time, if I'm not mistaken.
-Baty is batting 5th, Vientos is 7th, and Alvarez is 9th against the righty Bassitt.
-If I'm not mistaken, the Mets are something like 16-0 when their starting pitchers go 6 or more innings so far this season.
-The 4-man bench today will consist of Vogelbach, Escobar, Pham & Nido.
Credit to pjacs with some good info about Mauricio:  
Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 5:41 pm : link
This is from pjacs18's post on the previous thread:







Tweet @Metsmerized - According to Mets GM Billy Eppler, Ronny Mauricio started learning left field yesterday. - 5:16 PM · Jun 2, 2023 · 2,114 Views - ( New Window )
RE: Credit to pjacs with some good info about Mauricio:  
speedywheels : 6/2/2023 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16126871 Optimus-NY said:
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This is from pjacs18's post on the previous thread:





Tweet @Metsmerized - According to Mets GM Billy Eppler, Ronny Mauricio started learning left field yesterday. - 5:16 PM · Jun 2, 2023 · 2,114 Views - ( New Window )


LOL, they couldn't have done this when the season started? Instead they wait until June??

Well, I guess better late than never...
RE: RE: Credit to pjacs with some good info about Mauricio:  
Vanzetti : 6/2/2023 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16126872 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16126871 Optimus-NY said:


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This is from pjacs18's post on the previous thread:





Tweet @Metsmerized - According to Mets GM Billy Eppler, Ronny Mauricio started learning left field yesterday. - 5:16 PM · Jun 2, 2023 · 2,114 Views - ( New Window )



LOL, they couldn't have done this when the season started? Instead they wait until June??

Well, I guess better late than never...


I know. We have been talking about it all year not because it is genius but because it is obvious. Mets finally they get around to it on June 2.
Fellas, it's moronic.  
Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 5:59 pm : link
No other way to say it.
they could have done it sooner but honestly its not a big deal  
Eric on Li : 6/2/2023 6:16 pm : link
letting him stay at SS to start the year was probably the right call while his bat got on track. remember still 1st year in AAA. it wouldn't have been a surprise if it took him a half year or more to start hitting like he is now.

it seems like they gave him a month in april to play 2b, which was another logical move since that should be a simpler adjustment from ss. Mcneil can play either of 2b or of so it doesn't matter which one mauricio fills. the move to LF now would seemingly tell us that they think mcneil is the better 2b right now so they at least want him to have lf as an option.

on the scale of bad decisions with rookies this year and last year that one is towards the bottom imo. at this time last year vientos had a higher ops than mauricio has now and it still took them another 3 months to call him up even though they were getting even less out of their DH spot than vogelbach. dom had 0 homers and jdd had just 4 before getting traded.
Love the lineup.  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 6:33 pm : link
Love the streak. Love that our ace is on the mound looking to rebound.

Will the weather hold up?
RE: RE: Credit to pjacs with some good info about Mauricio:  
CGiants07 : 6/2/2023 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16126872 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16126871 Optimus-NY said:


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This is from pjacs18's post on the previous thread:





Tweet @Metsmerized - According to Mets GM Billy Eppler, Ronny Mauricio started learning left field yesterday. - 5:16 PM · Jun 2, 2023 · 2,114 Views - ( New Window )



LOL, they couldn't have done this when the season started? Instead they wait until June??

Well, I guess better late than never...


wonder if the player was against it until he sawshortstop wasnt gonna happen?
RE: RE: Credit to pjacs with some good info about Mauricio:  
CGiants07 : 6/2/2023 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16126872 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16126871 Optimus-NY said:


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This is from pjacs18's post on the previous thread:





Tweet @Metsmerized - According to Mets GM Billy Eppler, Ronny Mauricio started learning left field yesterday. - 5:16 PM · Jun 2, 2023 · 2,114 Views - ( New Window )



LOL, they couldn't have done this when the season started? Instead they wait until June??

Well, I guess better late than never...


wonder if the player was against it until he sawshortstop wasnt gonna happen?
Vogelbach  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 7:01 pm : link
is 2-5 with a HR off Bassitt. Vientos is starting. Looks like the platoon might finally be ending.
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 7:06 pm : link
The game's currently in a rain delay, but here are the game links anyway...

Blue Jays at Mets | 7:10 pm EDT start - June 2, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron

Blue Jays at Mets | 7:10 pm EDT start - June 2, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Blue Jays' feed

MLB.com - Gameday Preview: Blue Jays at Mets - June 2, 2023 - 7:10 pm EDT start


Enjoy :-)
BOOOOOO  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 7:34 pm : link
Canceled.
Maybe not  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 7:45 pm : link
Read a bogus tweet. Might still get this one in.
Why?  
Vanzetti : 6/2/2023 7:45 pm : link
Sun sprinkles out here on Lawn Guy’Island
Craig Allen on News 880  
Vanzetti : 6/2/2023 7:51 pm : link
Just said they should get the game in
Looks like 8:40  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 7:55 pm : link
They are aiming for.
Mets made a trade for relieve  
spike : 6/2/2023 8:28 pm : link
Ex Philly Vinny Nittoli from the Cubs for cash considerations.

a 33 righty, career minor leaguer, to be added to 40 man roster
I feel very confident  
Vanzetti : 6/2/2023 8:48 pm : link
That with the lineup the Mets have tonight, they will get to the hound. Maybe not the first time through the lineup but definitely later in the game.
mauricio 2/4 with a 2b and a115.8mph ground out  
Eric on Li : 6/2/2023 8:54 pm : link
his single was 110mph, 2b was 103mph. weakest contact was a 93 mph groundout.
RE: Mets made a trade for relieve  
CooperDash : 6/2/2023 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16126945 spike said:
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Ex Philly Vinny Nittoli from the Cubs for cash considerations.

a 33 righty, career minor leaguer, to be added to 40 man roster


Woo hoo! That’s an Eppler Special!

I guess Eppler wanted to jump on the robust reliever market early this year. Inspiring move.
RE: RE: Mets made a trade for relieve  
81_Great_Dane : 6/2/2023 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16126959 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16126945 spike said:


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Ex Philly Vinny Nittoli from the Cubs for cash considerations.

a 33 righty, career minor leaguer, to be added to 40 man roster



Woo hoo! That’s an Eppler Special!

I guess Eppler wanted to jump on the robust reliever market early this year. Inspiring move.
Since I grew up in Rochester, which is a AAA town, I'm conscious of the need to keep the farm team stocked. Sometimes that's what;s behind a move like this, especially if someone's coming up from AAA. But the fact that he's being added to the 40-man roster is interesting. He has almost no MLB experience. One inning or something?
What a horrible horrible inning but the top three  
CooperDash : 6/2/2023 9:31 pm : link
in the lineup. Especially from Lindor who seems to be taking tips from Vogelsucks.
RE: Mets made a trade for relieve  
Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16126945 spike said:
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Ex Philly Vinny Nittoli from the Cubs for cash considerations.

a 33 righty, career minor leaguer, to be added to 40 man roster


Vinnie Boombatz


Andy Kaufman as Dr. Vinnie Boombatz (1983) - ( New Window )
Excellent outing from  
ZGiants98 : 6/2/2023 10:19 pm : link
Verlander!
Way to get out of the jam by Verlander  
spike : 6/2/2023 10:19 pm : link
another quality start.

Let's get some runs tonight!
Check out Verlander's line tonight:  
Optimus-NY : 6/2/2023 10:31 pm : link
117 pitches (77 strikes)
6 IP
5 H
1 R (1 ER)
1 HR
3 BB
8 K
4.25 ERA

*Verlander's 117 thrown pitches tonight are the most thrown this season by any Mets starter.

The only problem with Verlander's fine start tonight is that Bassitt has outdone him. Bassitt's only thrown 76 pitches through 6 innings tonight and has retired the last 12 batters he's faced in a row. He looks like he can go 8 innings tonight at this rate.


MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch - Blue Jays at Mets - June 2, 2023 - 8:40 pm EDT start - ( New Window )
Game  
GF1080 : 6/2/2023 11:18 pm : link
Pretty pathetic output tonight. On to the next.
brigham now has 5 homers allowed in 20 innings  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 10:56 am : link
they need to really not mistake his halfway decent squinting numbers for a reliable option. he is at best a 6th or 7th mop up guy. i know right now they have no depth but really he should not be coming into the 8th inning of a 1 run game against a good team.

glad to see bassitt step up in a meaningless situation to everyone but him. in all seriousness it's unfortunate he didnt work out here for whatever reason. he is a very reliable #3 and they somewhat wasted not totally different amounts of money on less valuable players.
highlights of mauricio's big game last night  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 11:09 am : link
including a real nice catch/double play at 2b.

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Syracuse Mets
@SyracuseMets
Two hits over 100 MPH?

AND a game-saving defensive play?

Just another night at the office for Ronny Mauricio 😉


he had a 3rd batted ball over 100 mph that was an out, and his 115.8 mph batted ball last night i believe was highest recorded by anyone in mets full organization this year and there have only been 13 players to hit harder balls than that in the big leagues.

mets 4 hardest hit balls so far this year are by baty (113.7), alvarez (113.6), alonso (113.4), vientos (112.8). all of those are 85th percentile or higher.

max ev of 115.8mph is 97th percentile in mlb and tied with oneil cruz.

i think giving mauricio another 2-4 weeks to get some LF experience is a no brainer, hopefully by then the 3 rookies at the big league level are beyond the primary rookie adjustment stage.
https://twitter.com/SyracuseMets/status/1665006332192124931 - ( New Window )
eppler comments on mauricio in LF  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 11:19 am : link
a lot of what the mets have done is head scratching but i think leaving mauricio at his natural position for the first month or two at a new level was understandable, as was giving him a month to prove he's MLB ready at the easiest transition spot (2b). hopefully he can also check the box on LF over the next few weeks.

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“We know Ronny can play on the left side of the infield,” Eppler said. “We know we can put Ronny at second base in a major-league game, too. But we also want to see how that athleticism can play in the outfield. All the indicators, all the measurables tell us he should be able to acclimate out there as well. And he’s excited about it. He just wants to do whatever he can do. The more versatility, the more tools in his toolbelt, the better for him and his career, the better for the Mets.”
We couldve kept Bassitt  
spike : 6/3/2023 11:24 am : link
and not sign Quintana
RE: We couldve kept Bassitt  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 11:34 am : link
In comment 16127090 spike said:
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and not sign Quintana


that gets you about halfway there for bassitt's $ but the other half wasn't hard to find either. trading carrasco and planning to fill 5th spot with megill/peterson. or just not signing narvaez. they had some options if they wanted to keep bassitt (or if he wanted to stay). it seems like neither side was all that interested in a reunion for whatever reason.
RE: eppler comments on mauricio in LF  
Vanzetti : 6/3/2023 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16127088 Eric on Li said:
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a lot of what the mets have done is head scratching but i think leaving mauricio at his natural position for the first month or two at a new level was understandable, as was giving him a month to prove he's MLB ready at the easiest transition spot (2b). hopefully he can also check the box on LF over the next few weeks.







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“We know Ronny can play on the left side of the infield,” Eppler said. “We know we can put Ronny at second base in a major-league game, too. But we also want to see how that athleticism can play in the outfield. All the indicators, all the measurables tell us he should be able to acclimate out there as well. And he’s excited about it. He just wants to do whatever he can do. The more versatility, the more tools in his toolbelt, the better for him and his career, the better for the Mets.”




Before this recent foray at 2B and LF, Ronny had never played even an inning at any position other than SS.

That's just dumb.Especially when SS is blocked by Lindor.

The only semi-plausible explanation I can come up with is that after signing Lindor, Mets looked at Mauricio as guy they would trade. Since there were always questions about his ability to stick at SS, Mets thought if they exclusively played him there, it would make him look more like a SS. Whereas if they moved him to 2B and LF, he would like a guy without a position, reducing his trade value.



I think we often forget  
Vanzetti : 6/3/2023 1:35 pm : link
that Steve Cohen was a part owner for years and knows many of the people in the organization very well.

So he is not going to do a Musk and fire people wholesale.

Eppler has brought in some of his own people, such as Horowitz and Strangio but there is a lot of organizational inertia and this is basically still the front office that Cohen inherited.

So, for example, was it Eppler who pushed for the DH platoon and acquiring Vogey and Ruf? Or was that the head of pro personnel Bryn Alderson? And did Sandy back his son and basically bulldoze any opposition?

Given that Bryn was let go and Sandy put out to pasture, it might be that Eppler was not in favor of those trades.

My point is that there are a lot of odd moves made by this organization the last few years that suggest divisions in the decision making. Then you have the wildcard intervention of Cohen who is going to sign Lindor right away rather than evaluate him for a year because he wants to make a big splash. Or create drama with Correa because he is texting late one night probably after having imbibed a few. Mets then get involved in a wild goose chase that paralyzes the organization and prevents Eppler from signing one of the numerous middle relievers who were then available.
RE: We couldve kept Bassitt  
Vanzetti : 6/3/2023 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16127090 spike said:
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and not sign Quintana


I think it was assumed that Bassitt was going to get 4-5 years at about 25 per.

But nobody offered that and Toronto scooped him up at a bargain price.

The reporting is that eppler shifted the entire org strategy day 1  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 1:49 pm : link
They were planning to resign Baez and instead he shifted them to the Marte/Escobar/Canha Black Friday surprise out of nowhere. Which looked very right last year and still more right than wrong this year.

So I don’t buy for a second that eppler wasn’t fully in control at the deadline last year. He made moves unlike any this org had made the previous decade - which all the holdovers had been part of. Eppler made the specific comments about the robust rp market after being questioned about foolishly giving up holderman. Robertson was his guy from nyy days and he was his top priority at deadline then again in offseason.

As far as Mauricio last year he was 20/21 years old in AA and not considered particularly close to the big leagues. When players already have substantial developments to make I understand not adding learning new positions to the mix. Buck commented this spring on the position thing and I think he was right - you don’t move a player off a premium position until you have to. They didn’t really have to until now and they are doing it.
RE: The reporting is that eppler shifted the entire org strategy day 1  
Named Later : 6/3/2023 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16127143 Eric on Li said:
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As far as Mauricio last year he was 20/21 years old in AA and not considered particularly close to the big leagues. When players already have substantial developments to make I understand not adding learning new positions to the mix. Buck commented this spring on the position thing and I think he was right - you don’t move a player off a premium position until you have to. They didn’t really have to until now and they are doing it.


But none of that stopped the Arizona Fall League team from playing Ronny at 3B......where he went out and won that League's MVP.

Teams play their Minor Leaguers at various different positions quite a bit. Jett Williams is getting burn at SS and CF, with no apparent damage to his skillset.

I asked at the Trade Deadline last August -- If you're only going to play Ronny at SS where he has no future on this team, and you're not going to trade him.....what exactly is your plan ??

I think that  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2023 3:17 pm : link
was Dominican Winter League, not Arizona Fall League where Mauricio was MVP.
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Named Later : 6/3/2023 3:23 pm : link
You're right pjcas. My point was, it took 4 years, and a different management to even try the kid at a different position.
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pjcas18 : 6/3/2023 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16127171 Named Later said:
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You're right pjcas. My point was, it took 4 years, and a different management to even try the kid at a different position.


Yeah, good point.
pj is correct  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 3:26 pm : link
and last year they did apparently offer him out there in some trades - i think dmm had info they offered him to the cubs for contreras at the deadline.

i understand the frustration with the mets not having more open minds with their young players, but with respect to mauricio so far him not playing other positions hasn't cost them anything. unless eppler is lying when he said that he is playing 2b at an MLB level. if in a month they call him up but then pin him to the bench because his defense isn't good enough at 2b or lf then ill agree but that hasnt happened yet and eppler specifically commented that he's checked the defense box for them at 2b.

not playing alvarez, baty, vientos more early (and especially in vientos case last year) may have actually cost them something seeing as all 3 have in the last month won them several games. at this time last year vientos' ops was higher than mauricio's is now and defense was a total non-factor since they had a need at dh.
here's another way to look at defensive switches to 2b  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2023 3:42 pm : link
can we think of any SS who hasnt been able to move over to 2b and play the position at least comparably to their level at ss? reyes, cabrera, flores, matsui, guillorme, baez, gimenez all did it. eppler says mauricio has now checked the box.

dom smith was able to move to lf. as has baty despite being a lesser defensive player than mauricio. so that seems more likely but it's also less important since mcneil can move to lf.

so if the extra position flex was something they figured would be easy to accomplish, wasnt him improving his defense at the harder position an extra capability that makes him more valuable (including as a potential trade asset)?

if lindor breaks a finger in a door it's a good thing to have mauricio in the conversation with guillorme, and only reason he wouldn't get that decision is if his defense at SS isn't good enough.
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