knew he hurt the ankle down the stretch, didn't realize he was getting surgery. Whatever one thinks of him, hoping for a full and quick recovery. Knicks' Randle ankle surgery - ( New Window )
I won't be enthusiastic about our chances. Brunson can only do so much.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
I won't be enthusiastic about our chances. Brunson can only do so much.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
To be fair if you add a star you have to get rid of Rj or Randle
before Randle and Thibs we didn't have an all star. We didn't win many games. We sure as hell didn't win more games than we lost. We didn't make the playoffs. We didn't win playoff games.
Post Randle and Thibs we win 45-50 games per season save for 2 years ago when the entire backcourt was absolutely terrible. Not just bad, TERRIBLE. Not Thibs fault. Not anyone's fault it was just TERRIBLE because Rose was hurt and old, IQ wasn't quite ready for PG duties and...wait for it.,..there was NO ONE ELSE on the roster and don't tell me Grimes the injured rookie was going to save that season and Thibs the cave troll just didn't want him to save anything because youth and old and bla bla fucking bla.
When you have good players or great players and you still can't win a title you explore everything. You explore trading said player(s) for an even better player or better fit or, again, try and stay with me here, you ADD PLAYERS. You help Randle. You help Brunson. You HELP THIBS.
run it back this coming season and add someone with the MLE, that's not the worst outcome. Nobody in the rotation is exiting their prime anytime soon and a few guys should be getting better.
I'm all for exploring trades involving RJ and Randle and pretty much anyone not named Brunson, but I'm not just giving those guys away either.
As much as I'd love an upgrade on the sidelines, Thibs isn't going anywhere.
RE: RE: RE: If Thibs, Barrett and Randle all come back,
I won't be enthusiastic about our chances. Brunson can only do so much.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
To be fair if you add a star you have to get rid of Rj or Randle
Completely agree. If the star you add is a ball dominant forward you likely can't make it work with that new star and RJ and Randle all here.
I am completely fine with trading anyone in order to improve the team.
Again, Randle is NOT just going to fetch us this squeaky clean upgrade. Teams don't just give away super stars and they sure as hell aren't swapping a better forward/center for Randle. And we probably shouldn't trade a big smashing forward for an equally productive SG because what good does that do? You don't trade big for small unless the small is better. So when someone says we need to move on from Randle, think first. Really think.
You dump 25-10 for whatever just because you hate him, and get back some shiny young player, we are going to be worse. Bank on it. It's January 16th and the Knicks need to run ISO with someone and RJ is on the bench with 4 fouls. Who you got? Who is likely to run off 3-4 buckets over the next 2 minutes and keep the game close? Grimes? Maybe..but he's not there yet and probably never will be on Randle's level and we don't need to dump Randle to free Grimes up anyway. Your words "Brunson can't do it all"--yeah, no shit, so you want to dump the only other player here other than RJ that can get his own shot off, rebound like an elite PF and shoot the 3? Great work.
run it back this coming season and add someone with the MLE, that's not the worst outcome. Nobody in the rotation is exiting their prime anytime soon and a few guys should be getting better.
I'm all for exploring trades involving RJ and Randle and pretty much anyone not named Brunson, but I'm not just giving those guys away either.
As much as I'd love an upgrade on the sidelines, Thibs isn't going anywhere.
I agree word for word. Even down to the upgrade on the sidelines. I am all for it. But only if it's going to be a clear upgrade.
It's not crazy to believe the team gets better without adding a single player. A full year of Hart won't hurt. Another year of development from Grimes and McBride and even IQ won't hurt.
If Grimes takes a step forward much like IQ did last year we will be a lot better.
I also don't think IQ should be dinged that much for his playoff performance. He was coming on and got hurt. It can take players some time to become postseason heroes. That was only his 2nd or 3rd playoff series ever played.
Yep. The front office should definitely look at trades...
but when people say players like KAT, KP or Lavine, we're not on the same page. Those are lateral or even steps down from the player Julius Randle is. And none of them have proven anything in the playoffs either. So, it's not like you can say they have that over Randle.
You do your due diligence, see what's out there. We should be able to beat almost all trade packages with young players and picks, but it has to be a legit guy, not a fringe star. I'd love to keep Quick and Hart, but for the right guy, you listen to any offer. But they shouldn't gut the team like Phoenix did and then not have anyone around to fill out the team.
do NOTHING other than add a wing who can shoot and get his own shot off against good defenses the Knicks will be a lot better next season. If others improve as well, guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ, the Knicks could make a legit run.
Randle is not holding this team back. He's one of the reasons why the Knicks are good. Just because he's not the best player on a title team doesn't mean you just dump him.
Look at the whole roster and find the positions that are one dimensional or limited. Those are the positions in need of reinforcements. Center. SG. I think RJ takes another step based on his postseason shooting touch showing signs of improvement. Can Grimes take a step forward is the question.
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RE: Yep. The front office should definitely look at trades...
but when people say players like KAT, KP or Lavine, we're not on the same page. Those are lateral or even steps down from the player Julius Randle is. And none of them have proven anything in the playoffs either. So, it's not like you can say they have that over Randle.
You do your due diligence, see what's out there. We should be able to beat almost all trade packages with young players and picks, but it has to be a legit guy, not a fringe star. I'd love to keep Quick and Hart, but for the right guy, you listen to any offer. But they shouldn't gut the team like Phoenix did and then not have anyone around to fill out the team.
I wouldn't trade for KAT because he has a monster contract and they would have to include significant assets but there is no real argument he'd be a lateral or step down move from Randle. He's the superior player. By how much is really the ?? given the added assets and thus I wouldn't make that swap but even over the past 3 seasons
Randle 18.7 PER/.115 WS/48
KAT 22.8 PER/.172 WS/48
I doubt there is a single team in the NBA who wouldn't take KAT over Randle 1 for 1.
But that contract is gonna be an albatross with this CBA. It really reduces his value. Without the contract, sure KAT is better and NBA folks wouldnt trade him for Randle. But Randle will soon be making 24 million less than KAT. The view of their value will change accordingly. In a few years he'll make as much as Randle and Brunson will combined. Thats a bad contract. Same reason we should stay away from Lavine.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
But that contract is gonna be an albatross with this CBA. It really reduces his value. Without the contract, sure KAT is better and NBA folks wouldnt trade him for Randle. But Randle will soon be making 24 million less than KAT. The view of their value will change accordingly. In a few years he'll make as much as Randle and Brunson will combined. Thats a bad contract. Same reason we should stay away from Lavine.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
No disagreement here. The assets included would be a major issue as would the contract but he's unarguably a superior player to Randle (that's not even a knock on Randle). KAW looked like a clear tier 1 "top guy on a championship contender" and he's regressed but he's still very good. I wouldn't trade for him. I'm just saying pound for pound he's better.
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But that contract is gonna be an albatross with this CBA. It really reduces his value. Without the contract, sure KAT is better and NBA folks wouldnt trade him for Randle. But Randle will soon be making 24 million less than KAT. The view of their value will change accordingly. In a few years he'll make as much as Randle and Brunson will combined. Thats a bad contract. Same reason we should stay away from Lavine.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
Randle has a player option after the 24-25 season. Towns contract extension kicks in that year, and he will cost significantly more than Randle that season, but after that, if Randle keeps up this same level of play, he is going to be expecting to be paid close to the same amount Towns is getting.
Point being, the salary difference for those two guys for the duration of that towns contract may not be as big as it currently looks.
But that contract is gonna be an albatross with this CBA. It really reduces his value. Without the contract, sure KAT is better and NBA folks wouldnt trade him for Randle. But Randle will soon be making 24 million less than KAT. The view of their value will change accordingly. In a few years he'll make as much as Randle and Brunson will combined. Thats a bad contract. Same reason we should stay away from Lavine.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
Randle has a player option after the 24-25 season. Towns contract extension kicks in that year, and he will cost significantly more than Randle that season, but after that, if Randle keeps up this same level of play, he is going to be expecting to be paid close to the same amount Towns is getting.
Point being, the salary difference for those two guys for the duration of that towns contract may not be as big as it currently looks.
Ok. So Randle opts out and the Knicks can choose to pay him or not. I dont think his market value will be 54 Million dollars. Towns has an opt out in the last year of his deal but he's 50-54-58-62. Only the 62 is an option year. So he's gonna be a huge percentage of the salary cap and really constrict what you can add around him. I really doubt that Randle finds a market near that stratosphere.
What would Minny realistically want in a KAT for Randle trade?
I know I’m in the minority and the contract is scary but I think KAT could be a buy low candidate. When he had it going he was one of the more talented offensive big man I’ve seen in a while.
If the ask was reasonable built around Randle, I’m thinking about it. I feel like a team built around him and Brunson has a shot to win it all.
future salaries is always tough because some of it is timing for the players. I mean Lillard makes "only" 44 vs. LaVine at 43. Porter Jr., Tobias Harris makes 36 vs. Anthony Davis at 38.
At this point I believe anything ajr says about the Knicks.
see way too many Knicks fans on twitter hoping for Jaden McDaniels, not sure where that "rumor" came from but I'd be stunned if the Wolves moved him for anything resembling a price the Knicks should consider. He's 22, trending upwards and the Wolves reportedly preferred giving up 2 1sts vs. including McDaniels in the Gobert deal. Don't see why suddenly they would decide he's a player they move for "less".
see way too many Knicks fans on twitter hoping for Jaden McDaniels, not sure where that "rumor" came from but I'd be stunned if the Wolves moved him for anything resembling a price the Knicks should consider. He's 22, trending upwards and the Wolves reportedly preferred giving up 2 1sts vs. including McDaniels in the Gobert deal. Don't see why suddenly they would decide he's a player they move for "less".
Zero shot Wolves trade McDaniels especially now that Edwards left Klutch and joined him at WME.
see way too many Knicks fans on twitter hoping for Jaden McDaniels, not sure where that "rumor" came from but I'd be stunned if the Wolves moved him for anything resembling a price the Knicks should consider. He's 22, trending upwards and the Wolves reportedly preferred giving up 2 1sts vs. including McDaniels in the Gobert deal. Don't see why suddenly they would decide he's a player they move for "less".
Zero shot Wolves trade McDaniels especially now that Edwards left Klutch and joined him at WME.
Knicks interest in Lavine is real.
I know im in the minority but Lavine is a great fit
but after seeing that brick fest in the postseason, I’ve come around - assuming it’s a reasonable trade package going to CHI (RJ and a couple of firsts). He played 77 games last year too - same as Ironman Julius.
I'm fine with Lavine too. He's a legit shot maker and would better fit around what they have than RJ. The knee down the road definitely worries you though but you get it checked out beforehand and hope for the best. KP interests me too. I think the Knicks go any number of ways this off season ranging from not doing too much to a big move depending on what comes available. I think they have positioned themselves to be patient, but pivot at a moment's notice. They are not desperate at all.
Toppin lands with Indiana. They were in on him last season.
""Indiana, with the seventh choice plus picks Nos. 26 and 29, was quite active searching for answers at starting power forward before February’s trade deadline, sources said, and has made no secret about continuing those efforts this summer.""
Toppin lands with Indiana. They were in on him last season.
""Indiana, with the seventh choice plus picks Nos. 26 and 29, was quite active searching for answers at starting power forward before February’s trade deadline, sources said, and has made no secret about continuing those efforts this summer.""
This is already in talks with the Knicks eyeing Klintman, Clowney, Whithead and Strawther. I don’t see the Knicks getting a first just for Obi though. Not sure what else they’d have to send
is a very high risk/big reward type. I can't help but be biased by the Knox experiment. Not saying I wouldn't want to be the team to take the shot but it's a concern.
Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
Strus and Vincent are both UFA's, Martin has a player option and presumably will be opting out.
Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
the problem for the heat is most of their players are free agents coming up and they owe 25 pick to OKC which stops them from trading 24 and 26, the 26th pick is also a contigency in case the 25th pick doesnt transfer, so that also takes away the 27th pick
Even if they kept Bridges in that trade, that team wouldn't be much better than Portland.
He flat out mentioned Miami/Brooklyn as his 2 ideal landing spots, Portland will appease him as teams do with long-time franchise players in the NBA. Whether they will be much better than Portland or not is really besides the point. It's a matter of where he wants to be and which of those teams have assets. I'd say #1 BK #2 Boston #3 Miami (not because they have any real assets but because Riley always seems to figure these things out). "Riley is very reluctant to include Jovic in any Lillard deal..." lol
Even if they kept Bridges in that trade, that team wouldn't be much better than Portland.
He flat out mentioned Miami/Brooklyn as his 2 ideal landing spots, Portland will appease him as teams do with long-time franchise players in the NBA. Whether they will be much better than Portland or not is really besides the point. It's a matter of where he wants to be and which of those teams have assets. I'd say #1 BK #2 Boston #3 Miami (not because they have any real assets but because Riley always seems to figure these things out). "Riley is very reluctant to include Jovic in any Lillard deal..." lol
Oh, I'm not doubting what you said or whatever. I'm just saying it's a weird pull for a guy who's been reluctant to ask for a trade, said all that stuff about loyalty etc etc. And then he wants to get traded to a team who has a lateral amount of talent as the place he's always insisted he didn't want to leave? Just seems weird to me.
but after seeing that brick fest in the postseason, I’ve come around - assuming it’s a reasonable trade package going to CHI (RJ and a couple of firsts). He played 77 games last year too - same as Ironman Julius.
I want Lavine too. I have always loved big shooting guards like that. We really need that kind of shooter here, aware he comes with risk.
Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
To me this is big news, not really his choices but more that Lilliard is actually mentioning and open to a trade. I would think this means he will in fact be traded.
Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
To me this is big news, not really his choices but more that Lilliard is actually mentioning and open to a trade. I would think this means he will in fact be traded.
It's really the smartest thing for Portland to do. If they were one player away, leveraging that #3 pick to get Lillard over the hump would be the way to go, but that team isn't really close. Probably needs a gut job.
like Beal might be shopped but also... return of KP?
"Many rival executives The Athletic has polled informally over the last two weeks expect Winger to undertake a full rebuild — if not this offseason, then within the next year. "
"New York: I don’t know why the Knicks would give up a first-round pick for Josh Hart, who has the yips from the perimeter and may be a free agent after the season if he opts out of his $12.9 million deal. The Knicks made themselves marginally better this season, but their first-round pick was likely to be more helpful than this on draft night, either to acquire a young player or to use in a trade.
Of course, the draft pick also would have helped by adding another inexpensive salary instead of whatever Hart will make; the Knicks are pushing the luxury tax next year, and that could constrain other options (such as their midlevel and biannual exceptions)."
And now-
6. Josh Hart, SG, 28, New York (player option): $28,607,658
Hart was outstanding after his trade to New York and had a really good stretch in the second half of 2021-22 in the brief window between his trade to Portland and the Blazers pivoting to abject tanking.
Nonetheless, even the most homerific Knicks fan would probably admit that $28.6 million feels like a lofty valuation for Hart. His career shooting (35.0 percent from 3 on low volume), age (28) and size (6-foot-5 if you pull on his toes) all weigh against paying him as a top-dozen shooting guard like this valuation implies.
That said, New York won big by bringing him in from Portland for the cost of a late first. Hart surely will opt out of his below-market contract, but one presumes he’ll be back in New York on a multi-year deal that pays him like a plus wing starter (in the $20 million range) for the next three or four years.
According to Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney, an Eastern Conference executive believes that the team wants to free up its payroll and see if there is a way to add Lillard to the roster.
“There is a lot that can happen there,” the executive said. “The Suns need depth all over that roster. They want to free up their payroll. They want to see if there is a way to bring in Dame. They want to see what they can do with a Deandre Ayton deal. There is a lot on the table. And the [Los Angeles] Lakers need to know where they are going with [D’Angelo] Russell. They’re not just letting him walk. They traded a pick for him. And who knows if they could get Chris to sign a vet minimum deal or what?”
If I'm Portland, I'm moving Dame & going all in on a rebuild. What's the end game retooling the roster around a soon to be 33 YOA Dame? A 6th seed or so in the West?
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I don't know...of course you don't want to force a bad move
If you're the Knicks. However unlike seemingly the past few decades there is no elite team or teams who are the odds on favorite to win it all. So with the one star in Brunson in place, you feel like temptation is there to really go for it because it's not as hard to get into the mix of teams that can win it all.
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I fixed it for you. Yes, I am not a Randle fan but he wants to be out there every night.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
He plays through more pain and injury then you can ever imagine. Try again.
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I won't be enthusiastic about our chances. Brunson can only do so much.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
To be fair if you add a star you have to get rid of Rj or Randle
Post Randle and Thibs we win 45-50 games per season save for 2 years ago when the entire backcourt was absolutely terrible. Not just bad, TERRIBLE. Not Thibs fault. Not anyone's fault it was just TERRIBLE because Rose was hurt and old, IQ wasn't quite ready for PG duties and...wait for it.,..there was NO ONE ELSE on the roster and don't tell me Grimes the injured rookie was going to save that season and Thibs the cave troll just didn't want him to save anything because youth and old and bla bla fucking bla.
When you have good players or great players and you still can't win a title you explore everything. You explore trading said player(s) for an even better player or better fit or, again, try and stay with me here, you ADD PLAYERS. You help Randle. You help Brunson. You HELP THIBS.
Christ...
I'm all for exploring trades involving RJ and Randle and pretty much anyone not named Brunson, but I'm not just giving those guys away either.
As much as I'd love an upgrade on the sidelines, Thibs isn't going anywhere.
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I won't be enthusiastic about our chances. Brunson can only do so much.
I guess you can't wrap your head around ADDING to those 2 players and making life easier for said players? Can't do that I guess.
Somehow a 25-10 player is a problem here. Amazing. Don't add or help that player, nope, let's run him outta here in disgrace because he's not Karl Malone. Makes perfect sense. And who would we replace Randle with? Never mind that I guess. No plan just get rid of him.
To be fair if you add a star you have to get rid of Rj or Randle
Completely agree. If the star you add is a ball dominant forward you likely can't make it work with that new star and RJ and Randle all here.
I am completely fine with trading anyone in order to improve the team.
Again, Randle is NOT just going to fetch us this squeaky clean upgrade. Teams don't just give away super stars and they sure as hell aren't swapping a better forward/center for Randle. And we probably shouldn't trade a big smashing forward for an equally productive SG because what good does that do? You don't trade big for small unless the small is better. So when someone says we need to move on from Randle, think first. Really think.
You dump 25-10 for whatever just because you hate him, and get back some shiny young player, we are going to be worse. Bank on it. It's January 16th and the Knicks need to run ISO with someone and RJ is on the bench with 4 fouls. Who you got? Who is likely to run off 3-4 buckets over the next 2 minutes and keep the game close? Grimes? Maybe..but he's not there yet and probably never will be on Randle's level and we don't need to dump Randle to free Grimes up anyway. Your words "Brunson can't do it all"--yeah, no shit, so you want to dump the only other player here other than RJ that can get his own shot off, rebound like an elite PF and shoot the 3? Great work.
I'm all for exploring trades involving RJ and Randle and pretty much anyone not named Brunson, but I'm not just giving those guys away either.
As much as I'd love an upgrade on the sidelines, Thibs isn't going anywhere.
I agree word for word. Even down to the upgrade on the sidelines. I am all for it. But only if it's going to be a clear upgrade.
It's not crazy to believe the team gets better without adding a single player. A full year of Hart won't hurt. Another year of development from Grimes and McBride and even IQ won't hurt.
If Grimes takes a step forward much like IQ did last year we will be a lot better.
I also don't think IQ should be dinged that much for his playoff performance. He was coming on and got hurt. It can take players some time to become postseason heroes. That was only his 2nd or 3rd playoff series ever played.
You do your due diligence, see what's out there. We should be able to beat almost all trade packages with young players and picks, but it has to be a legit guy, not a fringe star. I'd love to keep Quick and Hart, but for the right guy, you listen to any offer. But they shouldn't gut the team like Phoenix did and then not have anyone around to fill out the team.
Randle is not holding this team back. He's one of the reasons why the Knicks are good. Just because he's not the best player on a title team doesn't mean you just dump him.
Look at the whole roster and find the positions that are one dimensional or limited. Those are the positions in need of reinforcements. Center. SG. I think RJ takes another step based on his postseason shooting touch showing signs of improvement. Can Grimes take a step forward is the question.
“I love New York.I love the team. I love the coaching staff, the front office. I think we’re building in the right direction.” They got to want me at the right price and I got to want that same thing.”
You do your due diligence, see what's out there. We should be able to beat almost all trade packages with young players and picks, but it has to be a legit guy, not a fringe star. I'd love to keep Quick and Hart, but for the right guy, you listen to any offer. But they shouldn't gut the team like Phoenix did and then not have anyone around to fill out the team.
I wouldn't trade for KAT because he has a monster contract and they would have to include significant assets but there is no real argument he'd be a lateral or step down move from Randle. He's the superior player. By how much is really the ?? given the added assets and thus I wouldn't make that swap but even over the past 3 seasons
Randle 18.7 PER/.115 WS/48
KAT 22.8 PER/.172 WS/48
I doubt there is a single team in the NBA who wouldn't take KAT over Randle 1 for 1.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
No disagreement here. The assets included would be a major issue as would the contract but he's unarguably a superior player to Randle (that's not even a knock on Randle). KAW looked like a clear tier 1 "top guy on a championship contender" and he's regressed but he's still very good. I wouldn't trade for him. I'm just saying pound for pound he's better.
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The Phoenix Suns are hiring Jazz associate GM David Fizdale as an assistant coach, sources tell ESPN. Suns made a significant financial play for Fizdale and drew upon his history with new coach Frank Vogel and GM James Jones. Fizdale is a former HC with Knicks and Grizzlies.
I woukd be happy adding KP at center, him and Brunson had a good thing going in Dallas when Luka would sit
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
Randle has a player option after the 24-25 season. Towns contract extension kicks in that year, and he will cost significantly more than Randle that season, but after that, if Randle keeps up this same level of play, he is going to be expecting to be paid close to the same amount Towns is getting.
Point being, the salary difference for those two guys for the duration of that towns contract may not be as big as it currently looks.
His contract is sort of hideous though:
2023/24 $36,016,200
2024/25 $50,050,000
2025/26 $54,054,000
2026/27 $58,058,000
2027/28 $62,062,000 (Player Option)
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But that contract is gonna be an albatross with this CBA. It really reduces his value. Without the contract, sure KAT is better and NBA folks wouldnt trade him for Randle. But Randle will soon be making 24 million less than KAT. The view of their value will change accordingly. In a few years he'll make as much as Randle and Brunson will combined. Thats a bad contract. Same reason we should stay away from Lavine.
KAT is paid like he's MVP caliber player and hes really not.
Randle has a player option after the 24-25 season. Towns contract extension kicks in that year, and he will cost significantly more than Randle that season, but after that, if Randle keeps up this same level of play, he is going to be expecting to be paid close to the same amount Towns is getting.
Point being, the salary difference for those two guys for the duration of that towns contract may not be as big as it currently looks.
Ok. So Randle opts out and the Knicks can choose to pay him or not. I dont think his market value will be 54 Million dollars. Towns has an opt out in the last year of his deal but he's 50-54-58-62. Only the 62 is an option year. So he's gonna be a huge percentage of the salary cap and really constrict what you can add around him. I really doubt that Randle finds a market near that stratosphere.
I know I’m in the minority and the contract is scary but I think KAT could be a buy low candidate. When he had it going he was one of the more talented offensive big man I’ve seen in a while.
If the ask was reasonable built around Randle, I’m thinking about it. I feel like a team built around him and Brunson has a shot to win it all.
Gotta figure they’ll use the MLE too - Villanova Wildcat Donte DiVincenzo would figure to be in play, but that’s a guess on my part.
Interesting listen, and well thought out, even if you don't agree with his take.
Not sure I agree, but a good listen... - ( New Window )
Zero shot Wolves trade McDaniels especially now that Edwards left Klutch and joined him at WME.
Knicks interest in Lavine is real.
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see way too many Knicks fans on twitter hoping for Jaden McDaniels, not sure where that "rumor" came from but I'd be stunned if the Wolves moved him for anything resembling a price the Knicks should consider. He's 22, trending upwards and the Wolves reportedly preferred giving up 2 1sts vs. including McDaniels in the Gobert deal. Don't see why suddenly they would decide he's a player they move for "less".
Zero shot Wolves trade McDaniels especially now that Edwards left Klutch and joined him at WME.
Knicks interest in Lavine is real.
I know im in the minority but Lavine is a great fit
""Indiana, with the seventh choice plus picks Nos. 26 and 29, was quite active searching for answers at starting power forward before February’s trade deadline, sources said, and has made no secret about continuing those efforts this summer.""
""Indiana, with the seventh choice plus picks Nos. 26 and 29, was quite active searching for answers at starting power forward before February’s trade deadline, sources said, and has made no secret about continuing those efforts this summer.""
This is already in talks with the Knicks eyeing Klintman, Clowney, Whithead and Strawther. I don’t see the Knicks getting a first just for Obi though. Not sure what else they’d have to send
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
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Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
Strus and Vincent are both UFA's, Martin has a player option and presumably will be opting out.
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Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
One bonus Miami is really gonna get out of this playoff run is that they are now in position to be a player for a star this off season. Suddenly guys like Gabe Vincent, Strus, and Caleb Martin are a hell of a lot more attractive as trade pieces. Heck even With his horrific contract Duncan Robinson has resuscitated his value a bit. The Hero injury could end up really helping them in the long run.
the problem for the heat is most of their players are free agents coming up and they owe 25 pick to OKC which stops them from trading 24 and 26, the 26th pick is also a contigency in case the 25th pick doesnt transfer, so that also takes away the 27th pick
other than Aaron Rodgers? lol.
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CJ McCollum expects Damian Lillard to exit Portland
“If I was a betting man, I would say this is the last that we've seen of him [in Portland].”👀
I could see it, sign and trade cam johnson in the deal, dinwiddie and claxton and a bunch of picks?
He flat out mentioned Miami/Brooklyn as his 2 ideal landing spots, Portland will appease him as teams do with long-time franchise players in the NBA. Whether they will be much better than Portland or not is really besides the point. It's a matter of where he wants to be and which of those teams have assets. I'd say #1 BK #2 Boston #3 Miami (not because they have any real assets but because Riley always seems to figure these things out). "Riley is very reluctant to include Jovic in any Lillard deal..." lol
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going to predict Lillard lands with the Nets.
I could see it, sign and trade cam johnson in the deal, dinwiddie and claxton and a bunch of picks?
Sounds about right to me.
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Even if they kept Bridges in that trade, that team wouldn't be much better than Portland.
He flat out mentioned Miami/Brooklyn as his 2 ideal landing spots, Portland will appease him as teams do with long-time franchise players in the NBA. Whether they will be much better than Portland or not is really besides the point. It's a matter of where he wants to be and which of those teams have assets. I'd say #1 BK #2 Boston #3 Miami (not because they have any real assets but because Riley always seems to figure these things out). "Riley is very reluctant to include Jovic in any Lillard deal..." lol
Oh, I'm not doubting what you said or whatever. I'm just saying it's a weird pull for a guy who's been reluctant to ask for a trade, said all that stuff about loyalty etc etc. And then he wants to get traded to a team who has a lateral amount of talent as the place he's always insisted he didn't want to leave? Just seems weird to me.
I want Lavine too. I have always loved big shooting guards like that. We really need that kind of shooter here, aware he comes with risk.
To me this is big news, not really his choices but more that Lilliard is actually mentioning and open to a trade. I would think this means he will in fact be traded.
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Mentions Miami or BK as his ideal destinations if traded
To me this is big news, not really his choices but more that Lilliard is actually mentioning and open to a trade. I would think this means he will in fact be traded.
It's really the smartest thing for Portland to do. If they were one player away, leveraging that #3 pick to get Lillard over the hump would be the way to go, but that team isn't really close. Probably needs a gut job.
"Many rival executives The Athletic has polled informally over the last two weeks expect Winger to undertake a full rebuild — if not this offseason, then within the next year. "
Poor load management
IIRC he didn't like the trade for us at the deadline. Now he has him ranked above quite a few really good players.
"New York: I don’t know why the Knicks would give up a first-round pick for Josh Hart, who has the yips from the perimeter and may be a free agent after the season if he opts out of his $12.9 million deal. The Knicks made themselves marginally better this season, but their first-round pick was likely to be more helpful than this on draft night, either to acquire a young player or to use in a trade.
Of course, the draft pick also would have helped by adding another inexpensive salary instead of whatever Hart will make; the Knicks are pushing the luxury tax next year, and that could constrain other options (such as their midlevel and biannual exceptions)."
And now-
6. Josh Hart, SG, 28, New York (player option): $28,607,658
Hart was outstanding after his trade to New York and had a really good stretch in the second half of 2021-22 in the brief window between his trade to Portland and the Blazers pivoting to abject tanking.
Nonetheless, even the most homerific Knicks fan would probably admit that $28.6 million feels like a lofty valuation for Hart. His career shooting (35.0 percent from 3 on low volume), age (28) and size (6-foot-5 if you pull on his toes) all weigh against paying him as a top-dozen shooting guard like this valuation implies.
That said, New York won big by bringing him in from Portland for the cost of a late first. Hart surely will opt out of his below-market contract, but one presumes he’ll be back in New York on a multi-year deal that pays him like a plus wing starter (in the $20 million range) for the next three or four years.
According to Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney, an Eastern Conference executive believes that the team wants to free up its payroll and see if there is a way to add Lillard to the roster.
“There is a lot that can happen there,” the executive said. “The Suns need depth all over that roster. They want to free up their payroll. They want to see if there is a way to bring in Dame. They want to see what they can do with a Deandre Ayton deal. There is a lot on the table. And the [Los Angeles] Lakers need to know where they are going with [D’Angelo] Russell. They’re not just letting him walk. They traded a pick for him. And who knows if they could get Chris to sign a vet minimum deal or what?”
Trade Dame for young players and draft picks..
Trade Nurkic for what you can get, maybe a young player..
Try and sign and trade Grant
Your bathroom was filled with soda bottles and cans no wonder you fat asf and not in shape fuck you @Zionwilliamson I’m tired of being nice you hurt me and humiliated me !!!