Some comments made from Boomer during his WFAN morning show and noted in the short article:
Former NFL MVP Boomer Esiason sees Jones continuing to be average — and even struggling — claiming that the team has not done enough to add weapons around him.
He (Boomer) still sees Jones a player who will have to use his legs to get the Giants down the field.
“I think Daniel Jones is gonna have another rough year in terms of him having to do a lot,” Boomer said. “They’re paying him to do a lot. To be able to fit another wide receiver, I don’t see it.”
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You know a WR1 when you see him - high # of targets, catches, TDs, big plays, etc. And multiples years doing it.
IMV, there was two WR prospects in the 2023 draft with WR1 potential: Smith-Njigba and Addison. I did/do like the potential of Hyatt, Mims, Downs, and Tillman.
I don't think there were any WR1s in free agency until now with Hopkins. I would have easily endorsed, however, making moves for Lazard, Meyers, and Agholor. Solid WRs who I believe could have made more strides under Daboll/Kafka.
We certainly have more offensive players around Jones. Outside of Waller, however, everyone else is a serious question mark with a checkered past.
Well, at least you're FINALLY admitting it. No WR1 to throw to; unlike a number of other QB's (and that doesn't even include guys like Hurts, Burrow and Hebert, who had TWO WR1's to throw to. But I digress).
And to think - last year he didn't even have Waller, so there were even MORE question marks with checkered pasts around him.
And we won't even get into the absolute crap he had around him in 2020 and 2021 (both in terms of skill position players AND coaching).
But tell us again how he was supposed to throw for 25+ TD's and 4,000+ yards, with so many "question marks with checkered pasts" players?
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Games 9-17 2022 23.2 ppg
New system and the offense got better and better throughout the 22 season. Players were brought along and brought in and things improved. Scoring went up. Even if the record was worse the scoring went up and offense looked better in doing so. Hodgins output was an upgrade over that stretch.
To me the most important thing about this nyg team now and going forward is how good is Brian Daboll and Schoen. The synergy. The decision making. The Player development! The practice schedules and details. The weekly game plans. The game day coaching. The draft. FA. Rinse repeat. How good is all that going to be under this regime. My point is The offseason additions are important and nice and all that but if we’re going places it’s going to come from everyone and the sum will better the parts. I want to believe we’d be better or equally effective in 23 without adding waller. And I think we will. Waller is needed but I trust Daboll to score points no matter what. At least I’m hoping to after this second season.
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
I guess I'll just back off from participating in this discussion. But what Boomer said is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. Yes Im the new guy, but I thought as long as I criticized the argument and not the poster I would be ok. Sorry to intrude.
Boomer often criticizes the Giants
Boomer is jealous of current player $
The headline of the article exaggerated his point
Jones still has to work hard
Jones still doesn't have a complete set of weapons
Schoen upgraded the WR spot tremendously
There weren't good WR1 options available
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In comment 16127653 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16127611 TrevorC said:
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
I guess I'll just back off from participating in this discussion. But what Boomer said is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. Yes Im the new guy, but I thought as long as I criticized the argument and not the poster I would be ok. Sorry to intrude.
I started the thread because i read and also thought Boomer’s comments were off base on a slow football news day. And you’re fine to post and criticize anything you want but let’s save the new guy spin stuff for a different crowd, ok?
No offense, but I haven't criticized anybody, only the article. Like I said, I am sorry to interfere with a thread started by a guy who himself registered in 2023.
Enjoy your thread and your thoughts.
The Giants picked up Hodgins late and Bellinger came back and the offense picked up again.
Now compare that to what we have now.
It's no comparison.
I'm befuddled that some can't see that. We're going to cut some WRs this year who would have started on this team last year.
Exactly.
With Hodgins & Bellinger together the O didn't suck. Put Campbell and Waller on the field with them and it's night and day before even getting to the other WR. Where our best 2022 option is now the floor.
It really is night and day (add usual health caveat)
No offense, but I haven't criticized anybody, only the article. Like I said, I am sorry to interfere with a thread started by a guy who himself registered in 2023.
Enjoy your thread and your thoughts.
Only more telling actually. Good luck.
It's amazing how people fall for this all the time
But he generally sounds like he has never actually watched Jones play a full football game in all honesty.
Btw? Marino isn’t much better, imv
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
Actually,not weird,but standard take by Boomer, who, for lack of a better term, is a Giants hater. Boomer has become almost unlistenable as his ego leads in whatever he's talking about. And, his minions,including Giannotti, all suck up to him & in the rare times they don't,he'll rag on them until they say something to stroke his ego! Plus,his beliefs politically make me turn off the program as soon as he gets on his pulpit.His snarky attitude & belief that he is 100% right 100% of the time has gotten old. The best days of the show are when Jerry Recco fills in for him!
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Should I go find all the talking heads/media folks that you very happily prop up around here when they agree with what you want to believe? And how you claim that the ex-players in particular have more credibility because they know more?
Funny how that goes out the window when you disagree with their opinion.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
BW agreed. It's going to be really interesting to see how much running Jones does this season. I have to imagine it will be less, but by how much? And how much success do we have going downfield more often? Does Jones step in the right direction to increase our passing yards and passing TDs? Combo of Waller and Bellinger is going to be fun. And that helps everyone, including OL and WR (Which both need to be better certainly than last year). We need at least one of the WR to have 100+ yard season... who will step into that role? Slayton had what 700 yards last year... is it him? Hodgins with a full season (I think this is more likely). Is it Parris Campbell? So many storylines to watch this season.
I agree with you, I think he is way underrated as a passer of the football.
Sure Jones will have a tough year, he’ll be facing tough competition this year, their schedule is against better teams, but this will be another test of his will, and he has a better supporting cast this year to work with!
Michael Vick threw less TDs over his first SIX seasons compared to DJ's first 4.
Jones is a lightning rod for criticism just like Eli Manning. It's ridiculous at this point.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
Quantity is a quality of its own. Also, in the Giants case, you can't overlook the speed in the additions. While track star doesn't equal WR, a credible 4.3 WR must be accounted for and opens things up for everyone. Now we have a passel of them.
As Eric pointed out, the Giants O was serviceable once we signed Hodgins and Bellinger got healthy, despite the meh OL and lack of other receiving weapons. I agree Waller is key, but not as table stakes for a decent O. With a healthy Waller, IMO, the Giants O transcends decent-at-worst to very good -- maybe great.
I think we're set at WR. Too much potential in that group. They won't all pan out, but a couple will. I expect Campbell to be an impact player out of the gate, Hyatt sooner rather than later, and Slayton to be solid. After that I just don't see how we don't get 2 2023 contributors with future potential out of Robinson, Crowder, Johnson, Smith, Ford-Wheaton plus all the other bodies and future cutdowns.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
Quantity is a quality of its own. Also, in the Giants case, you can't overlook the speed in the additions. While track star doesn't equal WR, a credible 4.3 WR must be accounted for and opens things up for everyone. Now we have a passel of them.
As Eric pointed out, the Giants O was serviceable once we signed Hodgins and Bellinger got healthy, despite the meh OL and lack of other receiving weapons. I agree Waller is key, but not as table stakes for a decent O. With a healthy Waller, IMO, the Giants O transcends decent-at-worst to very good -- maybe great.
I think we're set at WR. Too much potential in that group. They won't all pan out, but a couple will. I expect Campbell to be an impact player out of the gate, Hyatt sooner rather than later, and Slayton to be solid. After that I just don't see how we don't get 2 2023 contributors with future potential out of Robinson, Crowder, Johnson, Smith, Ford-Wheaton plus all the other bodies and future cutdowns.
This is the point. Tee Higgins apparently wouldve cost a first and a new contract. Broncos were looking for a first for Jeudy (who has only flashed). DJ Moore was VERY expensive. With the Giants picking at the bottom of each round, no way we are getting those players unless for multiple picks. There were really no FA options. Instead:
-We converted a late 3rd rounder for an established TE who has been a proven game breaker w8th minimal commitment f8nancially
- Signed a former 2nd who has great speed and had a good year last year, signed another slot guy who thrives in space and is a real pain in the ass to cover in Crowder, have long speed guys in Slayton and Hyatt as well as a promising possession WR who is not only big, runs good routes, but can catch it.
I havent even mentioned Bellinger or Wandale coming back. SS is gravy if he can stay healthy. Where we were a year ago to now is like night and day. More concerned with the question marks along the line
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
And if you take away LJax’s running?
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
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to get the O downfield, the team will have had either or both of OL or WR issues.
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
Agreed
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to get the O downfield, the team will have had either or both of OL or WR issues.
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
Yup. It's a feature, not a bug.
Giants improved their receiving crew dramatically this off-season . OK they are probably still last in the division if you rate them as a group . But down the stretch their best guy runs a 4.63.
It’s very possible that the Giants and Jones could regress . I’m not going to discount that either . But it’s primarily based on the offensive line. Will these guys finally be competitive against the Eagles and Cowboys? They weren’t last year , as per usual .
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
Better career than a QB that won an MVP award and got his team to the Super Bowl? I'm not saying it's impossible or even unlikely, but for all his flaws and a lack of longevity, Cam had a peak that could be tough for DJ to match. Even though it was a short stretch, Cam's peak is about as good as it gets for a QB without a ring. For DJ to have a better career when all is said and done, it'll take some hardware.
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
Better career than a QB that won an MVP award and got his team to the Super Bowl? I'm not saying it's impossible or even unlikely, but for all his flaws and a lack of longevity, Cam had a peak that could be tough for DJ to match. Even though it was a short stretch, Cam's peak is about as good as it gets for a QB without a ring. For DJ to have a better career when all is said and done, it'll take some hardware.
Win a super bowl and no one will care about Cam. Win 6-8 playoff games and no one will care.
Cam was fun to watch. Great FF player. Had a peak run but folded in the bowl and his peak really didn't last THAT long. As the league adjusted to Cam, Cam got worse.
Cam was fun to watch. Great FF player. Had a peak run but folded in the bowl and his peak really didn't last THAT long. As the league adjusted to Cam, Cam got worse.
Right now, DJ's "peak" isn't even up to Cam's in terms of length (but of course, we might not even be at DJ's peak yet). And the league can still adjust to DJ just like they did to Cam. But (IMO) the problem wasn't the league adjusting to Cam - if it was that simple, they'd already have the plans in place to stop a QB like Josh Allen. I think the problem for Cam was Cam. That same trait that caused him to tiptoe around the fumble in the Super Bowl is what led to his decline. He started making business decisions with longevity in mind. Ironically, that only served to shorten his peak instead of lengthen it.
Still, a league MVP and an NFC Championship is a pretty high bar for DJ to match/exceed, regardless of longevity.
I believe the line will be OK, and if Daniel Jones is not running for his life again, he should carve up his opponents.
I believe the Giants got better at every offensive position group this offseason.
It's a really weird take by Boomer.