Some comments made from Boomer during his WFAN morning show and noted in the short article:
Former NFL MVP Boomer Esiason sees Jones continuing to be average — and even struggling — claiming that the team has not done enough to add weapons around him.
He (Boomer) still sees Jones a player who will have to use his legs to get the Giants down the field.
“I think Daniel Jones is gonna have another rough year in terms of him having to do a lot,” Boomer said. “They’re paying him to do a lot. To be able to fit another wide receiver, I don’t see it.”
Boomer Esiason expects Giants' Daniel Jones to have a 'rough year' - (
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He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
Are they going to be a top 10 offense? Probably not, but the level of talent has been raised significantly over last year. Claiming otherwise just reeks of bias.
Higher competition will only force the Giants to score more points, which usually pad QB statistics
Putting Waller and Campbell in place this year, 2nd round pick W. Robinson last year and middle round pick in Bellinger, 3rd round pick Hyatt this year that Schoen was willing to take in Rd 2. Schmitz may struggle some as a rookie Center but should be an upgrade versus what they had in front of Jones in previous years.
This may not be an explosive offense but feels like any neutral observer would say Jones has far more around him this year than last.
Higher competition will only force the Giants to score more points, which usually pad QB statistics
Are they going to be a top 10 offense? Probably not, but the level of talent has been raised significantly over last year. Claiming otherwise just reeks of bias.
Waller isn't a stud? Yes, no Ja'marr Chase or Stefan Diggs, but Waller can certainly cause headaches - like Kelce and Kittle. We also do not know just what Hyatt will bring.
He’s saying that the wr corp isn’t good enough to make DJs job as easy as others. Through that lens, being average statistically makes sense and can even be considered impressive…especially with a very tough schedule this year.
Yep. Just another great thing about having two teams in town for each sport. Would be awesome to wipe those second teams away.
As Eric said, I could see the Giants regressing because of schedule and the division but not a single tea leaf pointing to a Jones regression.
Esiason is so brilliant he's seeing things other's can't, is an idiot, and/or didn't do any homework at all.
Fuck off boom!
Boggles my mind that FAN calls itself "The Flagship Station of the NY Giants" All they do is carry the games. As many point out, almost none of the hosts are Giant fans. With Boomer and later in the afternoon with Carton, if the Jets win (even if they lose) and the Giants win, they talk Giants for 10 minutes and the rest of the hour talk Jets.
Flagship station of the Giants, my ass.
I don’t see the big deal with Esiason’s comments. He is basically saying the passing offense does not scare anyone. I don’t see it as a criticism of Jones at all. And I agree with those that are saying crap subject line.
I’m not sure anyone is getting “worked up”. It’s ok to discuss and disagree with others’ opinions about the team on a message board that was created for just that…
And I know this isn't about the morning show time - but if you're not listening to DiPietro and Rothenberg, you don't know what you're missing. Rothenberg is the on-air Giants fan we all need in NY.
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Everyone has opinions. Stop listening to and linking them for others to see and we'll see the tide turn. The problem is people still fall for the shock value.
I’m not sure anyone is getting “worked up”. It’s ok to discuss and disagree with others’ opinions about the team on a message board that was created for just that…
I guess you didn't read the thread.
Esiason is really criticizing Schoen.
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
Agree with this. Really makes no sense when the team has improved (on paper which means nothing) and he projects that Jones will play worse.
The key here will really be injuries to the pieces around him.
At this point on that station there's nothing to listen for except Tiki, and who would have ever thought we would say that.
He and his partner are two insufferable assholes.
I can't listen to them. They can screw themselves simultaneously.
SEEMS? Nothing new, Giants-related, from this twit..
Esiason is really criticizing Schoen.
Considering what Schoen inherited at WR/TE that’s not any move valid than criticizing DJ. And Schoen had to upgrade almost every position on the roster not just the receivers.
Now add Campbell and Hyatt.
And if anyone of Robinson, Shepard, or Johnson can make it back, the WR group becomes much different.
Beyond that, Waller is the alpha dog of the group. He elevates everyone. And Bellinger as #2? That's fantastic.
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receiver corps that Jones will have to do too much himself again.
Esiason is really criticizing Schoen.
Considering what Schoen inherited at WR/TE that’s not any move valid than criticizing DJ. And Schoen had to upgrade almost every position on the roster not just the receivers.
Agreed. Schoen inherited Jones, Barkley and Thomas on offense and a bloated cap that didn't help with dealing with the rest of the issues.
(BTW, Brandon Brown will also be addressing the media then too).
If he is basing it on the SOS, he could be in for a surprise. We all know that that does not shake itself out until next season's middle to end. Nobody can predict injuries, or teams flopping. The Eagles might come back to earth. Maybe start off fast and then fall off. It happens.
Now can Jones take a step back? Maybe. More importantly, will the Giants take a step back? More likely, but I doubt it.
Besides the talent deficit last year across the board we have not proven that we can even hang with the Eagles. I think we have closed the gap or even pulled up equal to the cowturds. We were in most of those games with our low end talent. In regards to the WFT, they could be a surprise. On paper they have all of the pieces. Who knows. That is why they play the games.
I dont live in the area any more, but there was a period where I rnjoyed the Michael Kay show A LITTLE. Then they hired Rosenberg with his corny act that brought nothing in terms of sports discussion and I found it unbearable. It's too bad LaGreca is stuck with those other two loudmouths. He is a quality sports talk radio persona.
Francesa was annoying for over a decade and a half. I know many eople thought he was a good listen, but I found him tedious and boorish.
I generally have GMFB on in the background while I work, might get into a Little around the nfl and then I just take breaks to read rhis place. Thats plenty.
But Boomer's reasoning is what makes no sense.
Has Jones seen it?
Maybe he will opt out of the season to avoid the rough year Boomer predicts that seems a fait accompli.
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
While I'm by no means a fan of Esiason's radio "personality", he's by no means a Jones hater.
DJ seems to be learning to avoid injury, as much as an NFL QB can.
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anyone here be shocked if Daniel Jones outplays Aaron Rodgers? Not me.
Not me, either, because Rodgers is starting to break down physically and probably won’t be able to play at his accustomed level for the whole season. If they’re both healthy, Rodgers is Rodgers and we don’t know how good DJ can be.
DJ seems to be learning to avoid injury, as much as an NFL QB can.
Rodgers is on the 18th green of his career, and he wasn't really that good last year. I understand the Jets sucked at the QB position, but I don't think personally that going with Rodgers now is a good thing for them. I'd actually not be surprised if he gets banged up and retires, putting them back with Wilson again
As for Boomer, don’t mind him and in general if not bothered by radio not overly supportive of the Giants. It’s sometimes more fun to hear the other side.
Call me crazy, but I'm kind of expecting it.
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
I still that our WR are bottom 3 in the NFL (if you classify DW as a TE). That said he will again have to dink and dunk down the field and we will then hear his yards per attempt suck. Eric, how you think we have quality Wr targets is beyond me.
Yup
But Boomer's reasoning is what makes no sense.
Did you read the article? Nothing he said even hinted at Jones taking a step back, his entire point was that they haven’t surrounded him with enough weapons, specifically a true #1 WR and that as a result it will be rough on Jones and he will have to do a lot with his legs again this season.
If he was criticizing anyone it was Schoen
Most of us likely disagree with him, but it's not really a knock on DJ. I don't think he is giving enough credit to the impact Waller will have. Especially since we have two very legit TEs that will be catching passes now. Personally I am more worried about the OL progressing than Jones.
Esiason doesn’t like Jones’ chances to take that leap this year without a true “No. 1” wide receiver — an element that general manager Joe Schoen says is not necessary to win a championship (see: Kansas City Chiefs).
It seems pretty clear that Easiason thinks Jones is still hamstrung by the organization not bringing in enough quality. Note the: "...Lamar Jackson of the Giants..." That sounds pretty complimentary to me.
You may not agree with that assessment, which is debatable, but he's not saying Jones is the problem going forward.
Failure to read beyond a headline continues to be a problem for this board...
The guy is worth 10s of millions and he gets really pissed off when someone gets a 100mm+ contract
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“When you look at the group of players around him, you could say he’s the Lamar Jackson of the Giants,” Boomer added. “That had always been the argument around the Ravens, that they were a run-first team, they were using his legs as opposed to his arm, and now all of a sudden they add all these receivers and Lamar Jackson says he wants to throw for 6,000 yards.”
Esiason doesn’t like Jones’ chances to take that leap this year without a true “No. 1” wide receiver — an element that general manager Joe Schoen says is not necessary to win a championship (see: Kansas City Chiefs).
It seems pretty clear that Easiason thinks Jones is still hamstrung by the organization not bringing in enough quality. Note the: "...Lamar Jackson of the Giants..." That sounds pretty complimentary to me.
You may not agree with that assessment, which is debatable, but he's not saying Jones is the problem going forward.
Failure to read beyond a headline continues to be a problem for this board...
You’re objective takes are not welcome..:)
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“When you look at the group of players around him, you could say he’s the Lamar Jackson of the Giants,” Boomer added. “That had always been the argument around the Ravens, that they were a run-first team, they were using his legs as opposed to his arm, and now all of a sudden they add all these receivers and Lamar Jackson says he wants to throw for 6,000 yards.”
Esiason doesn’t like Jones’ chances to take that leap this year without a true “No. 1” wide receiver — an element that general manager Joe Schoen says is not necessary to win a championship (see: Kansas City Chiefs).l
It seems pretty clear that Easiason thinks Jones is still hamstrung by the organization not bringing in enough quality. Note the: "...Lamar Jackson of the Giants..." That sounds pretty complimentary to me.
You may not agree with that assessment, which is debatable, but he's not saying Jones is the problem going forward.
Failure to read beyond a headline continues to be a problem for this board...
Im sorry, but I don't agree with that interpretation at all.
Which other WR options were available in FA that would have satisfied those that bang the table for a number 1?
How is investing in Waller (who averages 850 yards and 5TDs over the last 4 seasons) and a 3rd round pick who many think could be the steal of the draft, hamstringing Jones' production?
Not to mention a 2nd rounder last year who looked promising before getting hurt as well as a very talented albeit banged up former 2nd rounder who had a strong year last year.
This idea that the Giants org is holding back weapons for Jones has absolutely no merit. Who should they have gone after? DJ Moore cost a lot. Jeudy was being dangled for a 2nd for 2 years of control. OBJ?
The Giants prioritized defense this offseason because thats where the value was and in the flow of things, scored a starting center as well as accruing a ton of speed at WR to go with their big guys. Boomer is a blowhard whose football opinions are basically compost.
It's amazing how people fall for this all the time
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Specifically this:
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“When you look at the group of players around him, you could say he’s the Lamar Jackson of the Giants,” Boomer added. “That had always been the argument around the Ravens, that they were a run-first team, they were using his legs as opposed to his arm, and now all of a sudden they add all these receivers and Lamar Jackson says he wants to throw for 6,000 yards.”
Esiason doesn’t like Jones’ chances to take that leap this year without a true “No. 1” wide receiver — an element that general manager Joe Schoen says is not necessary to win a championship (see: Kansas City Chiefs).l
It seems pretty clear that Easiason thinks Jones is still hamstrung by the organization not bringing in enough quality. Note the: "...Lamar Jackson of the Giants..." That sounds pretty complimentary to me.
You may not agree with that assessment, which is debatable, but he's not saying Jones is the problem going forward.
Failure to read beyond a headline continues to be a problem for this board...
Im sorry, but I don't agree with that interpretation at all.
Which other WR options were available in FA that would have satisfied those that bang the table for a number 1?
How is investing in Waller (who averages 850 yards and 5TDs over the last 4 seasons) and a 3rd round pick who many think could be the steal of the draft, hamstringing Jones' production?
Not to mention a 2nd rounder last year who looked promising before getting hurt as well as a very talented albeit banged up former 2nd rounder who had a strong year last year.
This idea that the Giants org is holding back weapons for Jones has absolutely no merit. Who should they have gone after? DJ Moore cost a lot. Jeudy was being dangled for a 2nd for 2 years of control. OBJ?
The Giants prioritized defense this offseason because thats where the value was and in the flow of things, scored a starting center as well as accruing a ton of speed at WR to go with their big guys. Boomer is a blowhard whose football opinions are basically compost.
And even bigger than a splooge WR signing was the drafting of a C who actually plays C and is probably more important for DJ’s growth than a WR..And we are fine at the receiving position with Waller, et al..
Spread them out. It is amazing the simultaneous speed pressure this offense can apply to both flanks and over the top while creating interior space for the likes of Hodgins, Bellinger and Robinson.
And if all else fails, DJ legs should make it difficult to get us off the field.
Im sorry, but I don't agree with that interpretation at all.
Which other WR options were available in FA that would have satisfied those that bang the table for a number 1?
How is investing in Waller (who averages 850 yards and 5TDs over the last 4 seasons) and a 3rd round pick who many think could be the steal of the draft, hamstringing Jones' production?
Not to mention a 2nd rounder last year who looked promising before getting hurt as well as a very talented albeit banged up former 2nd rounder who had a strong year last year.
This idea that the Giants org is holding back weapons for Jones has absolutely no merit. Who should they have gone after? DJ Moore cost a lot. Jeudy was being dangled for a 2nd for 2 years of control. OBJ?
The Giants prioritized defense this offseason because thats where the value was and in the flow of things, scored a starting center as well as accruing a ton of speed at WR to go with their big guys. Boomer is a blowhard whose football opinions are basically compost.
You don't agree with my interpretation of the article or Esiason's assessment of the situation?
I understand what the brass did and didn't do (so far) in the offseason. The point is Esiason thinks Jones needs better tools to compete for bigger prizes. And like I said, that is debatable. But it's an unreasonable position for Esiason to take.
I bet Esiason would change his mind, for example, if Schoen acquires Hopkins. Because Hopkins would satisfy his theory that Jones needs a WR1.
Spread them out. It is amazing the simultaneous speed pressure this offense can apply to both flanks and over the top while creating interior space for the likes of Hodgins, Bellinger and Robinson.
And if all else fails, DJ legs should make it difficult to get us off the field.
100% agree with everything brother Bob said here. No need to be redundant.
This is really what it comes down to. The guy is obsessed with money. I’ve yet to hear him talk about Gerrit Cole without immediately referencing his contract, so it crosses over to other sports too.
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Im sorry, but I don't agree with that interpretation at all.
Which other WR options were available in FA that would have satisfied those that bang the table for a number 1?
How is investing in Waller (who averages 850 yards and 5TDs over the last 4 seasons) and a 3rd round pick who many think could be the steal of the draft, hamstringing Jones' production?
Not to mention a 2nd rounder last year who looked promising before getting hurt as well as a very talented albeit banged up former 2nd rounder who had a strong year last year.
This idea that the Giants org is holding back weapons for Jones has absolutely no merit. Who should they have gone after? DJ Moore cost a lot. Jeudy was being dangled for a 2nd for 2 years of control. OBJ?
The Giants prioritized defense this offseason because thats where the value was and in the flow of things, scored a starting center as well as accruing a ton of speed at WR to go with their big guys. Boomer is a blowhard whose football opinions are basically compost.
You don't agree with my interpretation of the article or Esiason's assessment of the situation?
I understand what the brass did and didn't do (so far) in the offseason. The point is Esiason thinks Jones needs better tools to compete for bigger prizes. And like I said, that is debatable. But it's an unreasonable position for Esiason to take.
I bet Esiason would change his mind, for example, if Schoen acquires Hopkins. Because Hopkins would satisfy his theory that Jones needs a WR1.
Well, both really.
From the article:
Former NFL MVP Boomer Esiason sees Jones continuing to be average — and even struggling — claiming that the team has not done enough to add weapons around him.
“You look at this list, it’s not that great compared to top 10 teams in the league,” Boomer said on his WFAN morning show about the Giants’ receiving corps. “That’s why they probably felt they had to pay Daniel Jones soon.”
What Esiason is looking at is not clear. The Giants have a slew of very capable — and potentially explosive options — on their roster starting with tight end Darren Waller, running back Saquon Barkley and wide receivers Isaiah Hodgins and Wan’Dale Robinson.
Add in the fact they re-signed veteran wideouts Darius Slayton and Sterling Shepard, finally drafted a starting center (John Michael Schmitz) and packed the roster with speed at receiver with Jalin Hyatt, Parris Campbell, Jeff Smith and Jamison Crowder.
That wasn’t enough to sway Boomer, though. He still sees Jones a player who will have to use his legs to get the Giants down the field.
Those are consecutive paragraphs where they indict Boomer for saying the Giants didn't do enough to help Jones. Also the idea that because they couldnt get him weapons, they decided to give him $160 million dollar contract? That doesn't make any sense at all. If the Giants felt Jones could not improve without securing top flight weapons across the board, that would tell me they did not have faith in him at all.
Also, comparing the investment in Jones weapons to Jacksons is also tremendously flawed. They drafted two WRs in the 1st in Marquise Brown and Rashod Bateman in addition to drafting a TE in the 3rd who is one of the best in the NFL in Andrews. Jones has Slayton (5th), Wandale (2nd and likely overdrafted) and Hyatt (3rd).
Jackson has had more invested in his corps. Adding a 31 year old Hopkins at 15-20 million per year when we have so many young key players to re-sign doesnt make any sense at all. Sometimes, there is just nothing there.
This is the biggest key. Again, back to back 1100 yard seasons before some injuries held him back is a tremendous weapon to have in the middle of the field with the speed guys we have. Plus, him and Hodgins in the red zone will be a nightmare for defenses
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player can take a step forward or back.
But Boomer's reasoning is what makes no sense.
Did you read the article? Nothing he said even hinted at Jones taking a step back, his entire point was that they haven’t surrounded him with enough weapons, specifically a true #1 WR and that as a result it will be rough on Jones and he will have to do a lot with his legs again this season.
If he was criticizing anyone it was Schoen
So his argument is "because the Giants didn't get Jones an All-Pro/Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, then the Giants didn't help Jones this offseason"?
What a crock of shit.
(1) They got a Pro Bowl/All Pro tight end via trade.
(2) They drafted a WR this year who may end up being the best WR available in this draft.
(3) Which wide receiver should they have signed in free agency in March? (You can argue Hopkins now, but what about when free agency started?)
(4) Didn't they draft arguably the best center in the draft?
(5) They did add Parris Campbell, Jamison Crowder, and Jeff Smith in free agency.
Again, the argument seems to be, where is the #1 WR? Guilty as charged, I guess. SMH
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may take a step backwards given their competition, but Daniel Jones should take another step forward.
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
I still that our WR are bottom 3 in the NFL (if you classify DW as a TE). That said he will again have to dink and dunk down the field and we will then hear his yards per attempt suck. Eric, how you think we have quality Wr targets is beyond me.
Waller, Bellinger, Cager, Hyatt, Hopkins, Campbell, Robinson, Slayton, Johnson, Crowder are far better than anything Daniel Jones has ever had to work with. It's not even close.
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anyone here be shocked if Daniel Jones outplays Aaron Rodgers? Not me.
Call me crazy, but I'm kind of expecting it.
+1
Carton interrupted and said it's because Boomer is jealous that they earn more money than he ever did, just because he played in a different era. Boomer gave him a dirty look and never actually denied it.
It seems like a decent assumption since his criticism of NY QBs never seems to end, regardless of the year.
We've either added, upgraded or gained experience across the entire offense.
QB: DJ yr two with Daboll/Kafka and feelin' it
WR/TE's: Waller size/speed, Bellinger(stronger&experienced), Campbell speed, Hyatt speed, Wan'dale speed/healthy
RB: SB, plus depth EG
OL: Experienced, added JMS - This group is going to be legit imo, Neal is a bad man and not going to repeat last year.
Looking forward to Boomer eating his words when DJ finishes better than AR
It will be interesting to see who has the better year.
Campbell or OBJ.
I especially like the part where he said “another season where he’s asked to do too much”—— you fucking twat.
While true you can say the same about Mahommes. What top tier Qb isn't expected to do a lot. And he use his legs a lot because it's part of his skill set. Waller is a huge add. Boomer hates the Giants and is usually at best snide in any and all comments
He's just a dick. But to be fair I don't think it just about the Giants. That's who he is
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“I think Daniel Jones is gonna have another rough year in terms of him having to do a lot. They’re paying him to do a lot. To be able to fit another wide receiver, I don’t see it.”
While true you can say the same about Mahommes. What top tier Qb isn't expected to do a lot. And he use his legs a lot because it's part of his skill set. Waller is a huge add. Boomer hates the Giants and is usually at best snide in any and all comments
He's just a dick. But to be fair I don't think it just about the Giants. That's who he is
Perfect!
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player can take a step forward or back.
But Boomer's reasoning is what makes no sense.
Did you read the article? Nothing he said even hinted at Jones taking a step back, his entire point was that they haven’t surrounded him with enough weapons, specifically a true #1 WR and that as a result it will be rough on Jones and he will have to do a lot with his legs again this season.
If he was criticizing anyone it was Schoen
So his argument is "because the Giants didn't get Jones an All-Pro/Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, then the Giants didn't help Jones this offseason"?
What a crock of shit.
(1) They got a Pro Bowl/All Pro tight end via trade.
(2) They drafted a WR this year who may end up being the best WR available in this draft.
(3) Which wide receiver should they have signed in free agency in March? (You can argue Hopkins now, but what about when free agency started?)
(4) Didn't they draft arguably the best center in the draft?
(5) They did add Parris Campbell, Jamison Crowder, and Jeff Smith in free agency.
Again, the argument seems to be, where is the #1 WR? Guilty as charged, I guess. SMH
Eric, I know Im new here, but I said it first.
Just kidding.
But in all seriousness, the Giants might have gotten the very best offensive weapon that was available in Waller. Can anybody honestly say they would consider Moore a bigger game changer than Waller?
So his argument is "because the Giants didn't get Jones an All-Pro/Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, then the Giants didn't help Jones this offseason"?
Esiason's argument is that the Giants offense, particularly Jones, needs a bonafide WR1 to make the next step.
Now, is a WR1 a prerequisite to be top tier offense? No, but unless you have one of the alien QBS from another QB planet (Mahomes, Allen, etc) it's a very important position.
Let's be honest here. There are a lot of question marks with this WR group.
I like Hyatt, but he's a rookie, and he dropped to the third round for some reason.
Parris Campbell finally played a full season last year after three years of being unavailable. But it was a fairly non-descript season.
Hodgins was a great find last year. But I have no idea what to expect from his in 2023.
Robinson looks like a decent find, but he was oft-injured and, to me, didn't look as explosive as he looked at Kentucky.
Shepherd should be assumed to be a non-factor.
I like Slayton quite a bit, but he's maybe a WR2 on his very best day.
In other words, we have a litter of muts with no stud breed.
I am a fan of Waller for sure. But his last great season was in 2020.
Why is that vindictive?
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player can take a step forward or back.
But Boomer's reasoning is what makes no sense.
Did you read the article? Nothing he said even hinted at Jones taking a step back, his entire point was that they haven’t surrounded him with enough weapons, specifically a true #1 WR and that as a result it will be rough on Jones and he will have to do a lot with his legs again this season.
If he was criticizing anyone it was Schoen
So his argument is "because the Giants didn't get Jones an All-Pro/Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, then the Giants didn't help Jones this offseason"?
What a crock of shit.
(1) They got a Pro Bowl/All Pro tight end via trade.
(2) They drafted a WR this year who may end up being the best WR available in this draft.
(3) Which wide receiver should they have signed in free agency in March? (You can argue Hopkins now, but what about when free agency started?)
(4) Didn't they draft arguably the best center in the draft?
(5) They did add Parris Campbell, Jamison Crowder, and Jeff Smith in free agency.
Again, the argument seems to be, where is the #1 WR? Guilty as charged, I guess. SMH
I’m not disputing any of that. My point wasn’t that I agree with him as much as you missed his point thinking he was suggesting Jones would go backwards this season but instead they didn’t bring in enough weapons to play with Jones. I agree with your last point in disputing that argument.
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So his argument is "because the Giants didn't get Jones an All-Pro/Pro Bowl caliber wide receiver, then the Giants didn't help Jones this offseason"?
Esiason's argument is that the Giants offense, particularly Jones, needs a bonafide WR1 to make the next step.
Now, is a WR1 a prerequisite to be top tier offense? No, but unless you have one of the alien QBS from another QB planet (Mahomes, Allen, etc) it's a very important position.
Let's be honest here. There are a lot of question marks with this WR group.
I like Hyatt, but he's a rookie, and he dropped to the third round for some reason.
Parris Campbell finally played a full season last year after three years of being unavailable. But it was a fairly non-descript season.
Hodgins was a great find last year. But I have no idea what to expect from his in 2023.
Robinson looks like a decent find, but he was oft-injured and, to me, didn't look as explosive as he looked at Kentucky.
Shepherd should be assumed to be a non-factor.
I like Slayton quite a bit, but he's maybe a WR2 on his very best day.
In other words, we have a litter of muts with no stud breed.
I am a fan of Waller for sure. But his last great season was in 2020.
You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
Who were the #1 wide receivers in the 2023 NFL Draft by your definition?
Who were the #1 wide receivers available in free agency in March 2023?
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Long story short, the supporting cast around Daniel Jones is much stronger than it was in 2022. I would like to remind people that David Sills and Marcus Johnson were getting serious snaps for the team early in the season.
Now if they struggle against the better fronts again running the ball and the OL's PB still is poor then Boomer has a fair point imv. Being behind the chains is tough for most QB's and teams but the Giants are at least better equipped to avoid these situations as often as last season. Hopefully.
If the OL takes a big step then I think a much more dynamic offense is in the cards and PA will be the big winner with those big chunk plays downfield when D's have to account for run/pass.
—Was in fact an above average unit in 2022 and one that was good enough to win a playoff game.
—Was in year 1 of a new regime and a regime that is universally held in high regard around the NFL
The giants offense was fucking solid last year. Why are we always forced to debate or defend Daniel jones and the offense? This wasn’t 1997. Wasn’t 1994. The 2022 giants won 10 games because of their offense. Sure it was imperfect and it was far from prolific, but why is every fucking conversation rooted in this notion that the giants offense needs all this work? That Jones HAS to play better? And why aren’t people expecting this offense to improve simply by organic means?
Darren waller doesn’t have to be a savior. He just has to add a missing element and more importantly fill a starting role adequately. Same with the rookie center and the same goes for Campbell. We flat out never had 3 professional above replacement level targets humming at the same time in 2022. Now we have more than that, on paper, and we’re coming from an above average 2022 season with the same highly beloved coaching staff. Sale ascending QB. Same star RB.
Maybe we have a tough season, any team can, but boomer is a lazy asshole. Go cover your jets and act like that team is the most talented roster going and go all in. Good luck with that. Same coaching staff. Same shit stained OL except for 1-2 guys.
The Giants picked up Hodgins late and Bellinger came back and the offense picked up again.
Now compare that to what we have now.
It's no comparison.
I'm befuddled that some can't see that. We're going to cut some WRs this year who would have started on this team last year.
The Giants picked up Hodgins late and Bellinger came back and the offense picked up again.
Now compare that to what we have now.
It's no comparison.
I'm befuddled that some can't see that. We're going to cut some WRs this year who would have started on this team last year.
This is exactly right. We ahve hedged our bets against Wandale's recovery with PC and SS. We have a legit possession guy in Hodgins. Slayton and Hyatt are stretch the field players (I honestly think Hyatt has better quickness than most give credit for) and between Bellinger, Jones and any running back we have on the field, there should be a ton of space.
I am very fired up for what our offense will look like. The Guard spots and the injuries will be an interesting watch during camp.
The Giants picked up Hodgins late and Bellinger came back and the offense picked up again.
Now compare that to what we have now.
It's no comparison.
I'm befuddled that some can't see that. We're going to cut some WRs this year who would have started on this team last year.
This is exactly right. We ahve hedged our bets against Wandale's recovery with PC and SS. We have a legit possession guy in Hodgins. Slayton and Hyatt are stretch the field players (I honestly think Hyatt has better quickness than most give credit for) and between Bellinger, Jones and any running back we have on the field, there should be a ton of space.
I am very fired up for what our offense will look like. The Guard spots and the injuries will be an interesting watch during camp.
Who were the #1 wide receivers in the 2023 NFL Draft by your definition?
Who were the #1 wide receivers available in free agency in March 2023?
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Long story short, the supporting cast around Daniel Jones is much stronger than it was in 2022. I would like to remind people that David Sills and Marcus Johnson were getting serious snaps for the team early in the season.
You know a WR1 when you see him - high # of targets, catches, TDs, big plays, etc. And multiples years doing it.
IMV, there was two WR prospects in the 2023 draft with WR1 potential: Smith-Njigba and Addison. I did/do like the potential of Hyatt, Mims, Downs, and Tillman.
I don't think there were any WR1s in free agency until now with Hopkins. I would have easily endorsed, however, making moves for Lazard, Meyers, and Agholor. Solid WRs who I believe could have made more strides under Daboll/Kafka.
We certainly have more offensive players around Jones. Outside of Waller, however, everyone else is a serious question mark with a checkered past.
You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
You know a WR1 when you see him - high # of targets, catches, TDs, big plays, etc. And multiples years doing it.
IMV, there was two WR prospects in the 2023 draft with WR1 potential: Smith-Njigba and Addison. I did/do like the potential of Hyatt, Mims, Downs, and Tillman.
I don't think there were any WR1s in free agency until now with Hopkins. I would have easily endorsed, however, making moves for Lazard, Meyers, and Agholor. Solid WRs who I believe could have made more strides under Daboll/Kafka.
We certainly have more offensive players around Jones. Outside of Waller, however, everyone else is a serious question mark with a checkered past.
Well, at least you're FINALLY admitting it. No WR1 to throw to; unlike a number of other QB's (and that doesn't even include guys like Hurts, Burrow and Hebert, who had TWO WR1's to throw to. But I digress).
And to think - last year he didn't even have Waller, so there were even MORE question marks with checkered pasts around him.
And we won't even get into the absolute crap he had around him in 2020 and 2021 (both in terms of skill position players AND coaching).
But tell us again how he was supposed to throw for 25+ TD's and 4,000+ yards, with so many "question marks with checkered pasts" players?
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Games 9-17 2022 23.2 ppg
New system and the offense got better and better throughout the 22 season. Players were brought along and brought in and things improved. Scoring went up. Even if the record was worse the scoring went up and offense looked better in doing so. Hodgins output was an upgrade over that stretch.
To me the most important thing about this nyg team now and going forward is how good is Brian Daboll and Schoen. The synergy. The decision making. The Player development! The practice schedules and details. The weekly game plans. The game day coaching. The draft. FA. Rinse repeat. How good is all that going to be under this regime. My point is The offseason additions are important and nice and all that but if we’re going places it’s going to come from everyone and the sum will better the parts. I want to believe we’d be better or equally effective in 23 without adding waller. And I think we will. Waller is needed but I trust Daboll to score points no matter what. At least I’m hoping to after this second season.
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
I guess I'll just back off from participating in this discussion. But what Boomer said is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. Yes Im the new guy, but I thought as long as I criticized the argument and not the poster I would be ok. Sorry to intrude.
Boomer often criticizes the Giants
Boomer is jealous of current player $
The headline of the article exaggerated his point
Jones still has to work hard
Jones still doesn't have a complete set of weapons
Schoen upgraded the WR spot tremendously
There weren't good WR1 options available
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You still havent answered the question.....who else should the Giants have gone after to satisfy your complaint.
I remember your name months ago, and you seemed to find every reason to find fault with the direction the Giants went. Even when their was obvious progress, you felt something was wrong with it. Thats just not the way I choose to view this passion of mine. The facts are, the Giants made a pretty crazy move trading for Waller, loaded the team with speed, including drafting a guy that might have the game breaking ability of between Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace.
How does the receiver room look this year as opposed to last year? Its kind of silly to complain about a team not making moves when that team has a WR corps that is upgraded at literally every single spot from last year with the exception of Shephard.
Not going to box with you on this any more.
I'm not complaining. Esiason is. I'm just making the case why his point isn't unreasonable.
He doesnt have a point....the point he is trying make is patently false. I dont know you, but every single point you have made is a moss.
Boomer is incorrect in his assessment. You are mistaken in putting up a defense for it and the NY Giants made a very strong effort to not only increase the talent at the receiver position, but have created an incredible amount of speed compared to what most teams have.
Day 2 for Trevor. Who said he didn’t join last year because the intensity on the site didn’t appeal to him. Lol
I guess I'll just back off from participating in this discussion. But what Boomer said is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. Yes Im the new guy, but I thought as long as I criticized the argument and not the poster I would be ok. Sorry to intrude.
I started the thread because i read and also thought Boomer’s comments were off base on a slow football news day. And you’re fine to post and criticize anything you want but let’s save the new guy spin stuff for a different crowd, ok?
No offense, but I haven't criticized anybody, only the article. Like I said, I am sorry to interfere with a thread started by a guy who himself registered in 2023.
Enjoy your thread and your thoughts.
The Giants picked up Hodgins late and Bellinger came back and the offense picked up again.
Now compare that to what we have now.
It's no comparison.
I'm befuddled that some can't see that. We're going to cut some WRs this year who would have started on this team last year.
Exactly.
With Hodgins & Bellinger together the O didn't suck. Put Campbell and Waller on the field with them and it's night and day before even getting to the other WR. Where our best 2022 option is now the floor.
It really is night and day (add usual health caveat)
No offense, but I haven't criticized anybody, only the article. Like I said, I am sorry to interfere with a thread started by a guy who himself registered in 2023.
Enjoy your thread and your thoughts.
Only more telling actually. Good luck.
It's amazing how people fall for this all the time
But he generally sounds like he has never actually watched Jones play a full football game in all honesty.
Btw? Marino isn’t much better, imv
He's in the second year of the system with the same coaching staff.
His TE targets are very good.
He has legitimate NFL targets now at WR.
His OL should be much better.
Weird take by Boomer.
Actually,not weird,but standard take by Boomer, who, for lack of a better term, is a Giants hater. Boomer has become almost unlistenable as his ego leads in whatever he's talking about. And, his minions,including Giannotti, all suck up to him & in the rare times they don't,he'll rag on them until they say something to stroke his ego! Plus,his beliefs politically make me turn off the program as soon as he gets on his pulpit.His snarky attitude & belief that he is 100% right 100% of the time has gotten old. The best days of the show are when Jerry Recco fills in for him!
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Should I go find all the talking heads/media folks that you very happily prop up around here when they agree with what you want to believe? And how you claim that the ex-players in particular have more credibility because they know more?
Funny how that goes out the window when you disagree with their opinion.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
BW agreed. It's going to be really interesting to see how much running Jones does this season. I have to imagine it will be less, but by how much? And how much success do we have going downfield more often? Does Jones step in the right direction to increase our passing yards and passing TDs? Combo of Waller and Bellinger is going to be fun. And that helps everyone, including OL and WR (Which both need to be better certainly than last year). We need at least one of the WR to have 100+ yard season... who will step into that role? Slayton had what 700 yards last year... is it him? Hodgins with a full season (I think this is more likely). Is it Parris Campbell? So many storylines to watch this season.
I agree with you, I think he is way underrated as a passer of the football.
Sure Jones will have a tough year, he’ll be facing tough competition this year, their schedule is against better teams, but this will be another test of his will, and he has a better supporting cast this year to work with!
Michael Vick threw less TDs over his first SIX seasons compared to DJ's first 4.
Jones is a lightning rod for criticism just like Eli Manning. It's ridiculous at this point.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
Quantity is a quality of its own. Also, in the Giants case, you can't overlook the speed in the additions. While track star doesn't equal WR, a credible 4.3 WR must be accounted for and opens things up for everyone. Now we have a passel of them.
As Eric pointed out, the Giants O was serviceable once we signed Hodgins and Bellinger got healthy, despite the meh OL and lack of other receiving weapons. I agree Waller is key, but not as table stakes for a decent O. With a healthy Waller, IMO, the Giants O transcends decent-at-worst to very good -- maybe great.
I think we're set at WR. Too much potential in that group. They won't all pan out, but a couple will. I expect Campbell to be an impact player out of the gate, Hyatt sooner rather than later, and Slayton to be solid. After that I just don't see how we don't get 2 2023 contributors with future potential out of Robinson, Crowder, Johnson, Smith, Ford-Wheaton plus all the other bodies and future cutdowns.
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but in reality doany of our WRs scare anyone? We dont have a 1,000 yard WR on the roster. We did improve the team speed.
Waller is the main factor. If healthy he changes the landscape of the O. Bellinger was our #1 TE last year and now after a year in the system he is #2. Thats a great 1-2 punch. There were 2 factors in our late season struggles, Jackson and Bellinger getting hurt.
As with any team injuries are a factor. When you lose your top players in affects the whole team negatively.
Mostly agree. Jones has made the case he's one of the top five running QBs in the league. How the league adjusts is going to be fascinating. And the frequency Daboll/Kafka use Jones as a runner is equally fascinating. Will they continue to accept that risk with the same frequency...
Re: WRs. We've added more, but more doesn't mean better in this case because of the question marks associated with the newcomers.
Waller is key. If he finds his 2020 form, Jones and the offense are in a great spot. If the availability concerns persist, more burden shifts to the WRs.
Quantity is a quality of its own. Also, in the Giants case, you can't overlook the speed in the additions. While track star doesn't equal WR, a credible 4.3 WR must be accounted for and opens things up for everyone. Now we have a passel of them.
As Eric pointed out, the Giants O was serviceable once we signed Hodgins and Bellinger got healthy, despite the meh OL and lack of other receiving weapons. I agree Waller is key, but not as table stakes for a decent O. With a healthy Waller, IMO, the Giants O transcends decent-at-worst to very good -- maybe great.
I think we're set at WR. Too much potential in that group. They won't all pan out, but a couple will. I expect Campbell to be an impact player out of the gate, Hyatt sooner rather than later, and Slayton to be solid. After that I just don't see how we don't get 2 2023 contributors with future potential out of Robinson, Crowder, Johnson, Smith, Ford-Wheaton plus all the other bodies and future cutdowns.
This is the point. Tee Higgins apparently wouldve cost a first and a new contract. Broncos were looking for a first for Jeudy (who has only flashed). DJ Moore was VERY expensive. With the Giants picking at the bottom of each round, no way we are getting those players unless for multiple picks. There were really no FA options. Instead:
-We converted a late 3rd rounder for an established TE who has been a proven game breaker w8th minimal commitment f8nancially
- Signed a former 2nd who has great speed and had a good year last year, signed another slot guy who thrives in space and is a real pain in the ass to cover in Crowder, have long speed guys in Slayton and Hyatt as well as a promising possession WR who is not only big, runs good routes, but can catch it.
I havent even mentioned Bellinger or Wandale coming back. SS is gravy if he can stay healthy. Where we were a year ago to now is like night and day. More concerned with the question marks along the line
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
And if you take away LJax’s running?
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
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to get the O downfield, the team will have had either or both of OL or WR issues.
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
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to get the O downfield, the team will have had either or both of OL or WR issues.
DJ should be using his legs because they add value to his game - he's a better QB as a dual-threat than he is as a pure pocket passer (and the same would be true of any QB who has that added dimension available in his athletic skill set).
It might indicate that the Giants had to use DJ's legs to bail them out of middling (or worse) play from the OL or WR groups, but it might also indicate that DJ's running ability is an important part of him being a good QB, even with the benefit of good OL and WR play surrounding him.
Yup. It's a feature, not a bug.
Giants improved their receiving crew dramatically this off-season . OK they are probably still last in the division if you rate them as a group . But down the stretch their best guy runs a 4.63.
It’s very possible that the Giants and Jones could regress . I’m not going to discount that either . But it’s primarily based on the offensive line. Will these guys finally be competitive against the Eagles and Cowboys? They weren’t last year , as per usual .
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
Better career than a QB that won an MVP award and got his team to the Super Bowl? I'm not saying it's impossible or even unlikely, but for all his flaws and a lack of longevity, Cam had a peak that could be tough for DJ to match. Even though it was a short stretch, Cam's peak is about as good as it gets for a QB without a ring. For DJ to have a better career when all is said and done, it'll take some hardware.
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18 passing TDs. Then won league MVP in 2015.
Off topic, but since you brought it up, I believe Newton is the most overrated high-profile player in the NFL over the last 15 years.
He was a great, great athlete playing QB. But he was a very average QB at best when you took away his running. Newton had flawed throwing mechanics that impacted his accuracy and his decision making. And that was a huge reason why his career was limited.
I never loved Newton either but he was a legit starter for a few years. I agree though that the cerebral passing part of the game was not Newton's strong suit and he folded like a cheap suit in the super bowl. He had his peak and certainly helped his team win games but I wouldn't want to hang my hat on that kind of player for very long.
I have compared Jones to Newton but really only as far as their running ability. I mean that in a good way when saying Jones has a lot of Cam in him. The guy is a tank and will be a RZ threat as long as he's healthy.
Jones will have the better career when all is said n done.
Better career than a QB that won an MVP award and got his team to the Super Bowl? I'm not saying it's impossible or even unlikely, but for all his flaws and a lack of longevity, Cam had a peak that could be tough for DJ to match. Even though it was a short stretch, Cam's peak is about as good as it gets for a QB without a ring. For DJ to have a better career when all is said and done, it'll take some hardware.
Win a super bowl and no one will care about Cam. Win 6-8 playoff games and no one will care.
Cam was fun to watch. Great FF player. Had a peak run but folded in the bowl and his peak really didn't last THAT long. As the league adjusted to Cam, Cam got worse.
Cam was fun to watch. Great FF player. Had a peak run but folded in the bowl and his peak really didn't last THAT long. As the league adjusted to Cam, Cam got worse.
Right now, DJ's "peak" isn't even up to Cam's in terms of length (but of course, we might not even be at DJ's peak yet). And the league can still adjust to DJ just like they did to Cam. But (IMO) the problem wasn't the league adjusting to Cam - if it was that simple, they'd already have the plans in place to stop a QB like Josh Allen. I think the problem for Cam was Cam. That same trait that caused him to tiptoe around the fumble in the Super Bowl is what led to his decline. He started making business decisions with longevity in mind. Ironically, that only served to shorten his peak instead of lengthen it.
Still, a league MVP and an NFC Championship is a pretty high bar for DJ to match/exceed, regardless of longevity.
I believe the line will be OK, and if Daniel Jones is not running for his life again, he should carve up his opponents.
I believe the Giants got better at every offensive position group this offseason.
It's a really weird take by Boomer.