Colts player being investigated for betting on Colts games

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Colts player and not a former Colts player now with us...

In comment 16128155 jvm52106 said:

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Colts player and not a former Colts player now with us...

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In comment 16128155 jvm52106 said:

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Colts player and not a former Colts player now with us...

Yes, excellent point!

has a new article out today where it suggests that huge number of a players might be in violation of the league's gambling policy and not even realize it.

I really hope the team schedules time to give everyone a refresher.
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It is in baseball.

In comment 16128214 81_Great_Dane said:

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It is in baseball.

If it isn’t, it should be. No faster way for a league to lose integrity than having players betting on their own games.

slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game.

Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it?

In comment 16128243 pjcas18 said:

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slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game. Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it?

So you have to bet the same amount on every game in your favor.

Any variation? A sign to gamblers.

In comment 16128243 pjcas18 said:

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slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game. Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it?

Isn't that what Pete Rose claimed?

If the bet is a typical football bet where there is a spread a player may be encouraged to run up the score if his team is favored or only perform hard enough to beat the spread if his team is an underdog. Even if its a money line bet, a player who bets on his own team may stay in the game or encourage another player to stay in the game that is injured.

Whether its Pete Rose or a football player, winning the bet takes priority over doing what's best for the team. Usually its the same thing, but not always.

yeah the player can run up the score.

because there are some plays designed for a player who can score on the play to not score.

And coaches are the ones who decide who plays or not and how much, not players.

The easiest position to talk about is QB. Let's say Daniel Jones bets on the Giants to win. That is 100% changing the way he is approaching the game. If he forces a few extra throws that get picked, the game is turned around because he was pressing. I get what people like pj are saying but when it comes to this shit, you cannot have grey area.

would say no to it, but I think it's for manufactured reasons.

What scenario would Jones not be pressing? It's like arguing there are downs or series when he's ok not succeeding or not "pressing".

Some people argue that players indirectly bet on themselves to win every game they play.

And like I said boxers are allowed to bet on themselves.

Are they pressing harder to win because of the financial incentive?

Maybe if football players had money on games (besides their salary) we'd see more effort. lol.

I know most people won't agree, and there are a ton of issues with it, but especially today when you can't go 5 seconds without a gambling commercial or sponsorship, it seems wrong.

Since the NFL encourages and even makes money from the betting on football games
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But the rules are clear and the players know full well what the consequences are.

Rodgers is the culprit.

In comment 16128269 pjcas18 said:

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would say no to it, but I think it's for manufactured reasons. What scenario would Jones not be pressing? It's like arguing there are downs or series when he's ok not succeeding or not "pressing". Some people argue that players indirectly bet on themselves to win every game they play. And like I said boxers are allowed to bet on themselves. Are they pressing harder to win because of the financial incentive? Maybe if football players had money on games (besides their salary) we'd see more effort. lol. I know most people won't agree, and there are a ton of issues with it, but especially today when you can't go 5 seconds without a gambling commercial or sponsorship, it seems wrong.

Don’t think you are factoring in the mind of a compulsive gambler at all. And I can easily see a QB making awful decisions to hit whatever bet he made on himself.

Absolutely nothing good can come out of a player gambling on their own game.

you are paid to play and to not gamble. Don’t like it? Fight for it in the CBA or don’t play.

I don't see how it's not obvious a player could impact a game due to a bet. It could be as subtle as dropping a pass or with time running out with the lead, instead of dropping to a knee to run out the clock the player runs or passes for a td. As stated, nothing good comes out of allowing players or coaches betting on the game they play. For crying out loud, they all make enough money to be financially secure. Even bench players and assistant coaches.

are allowed to play fantasy football for money.

You people pearl clutching, it's very much the same thing or can be - or in many cases that can be worse than simply betting on your own NFL team to win.

don’t think there’s outrage, more like disagreeing with your take which conveniently left out all of the bad things that come of gambling.

my opinion was a holistic dissertation on the pros and cons of pro athletes gambling on their teams to win.

I simply supplied my opinion.

People can of course disagree, the reasons IMO amount to pearl clutching. Especially since those same reasons are more likely to happen for a player who has himself on a fantasy football team or has a player on their team.

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In comment 16128214 81_Great_Dane said:

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It is in baseball.

There is no set penalty, and no distinction in the rule about betting on your own games or other games. It's just a blanket prohibition against betting on NFL games, with discipline determined by the commissioner. But the rule does state that punishment could be as severe as a lifetime ban.

Plus the last thing you want to have happen is that a player owes someone a lot of money. Even if it a big name gambling company.

I really don't understand letting them play fantasy football but not gamble.

like you said, people disagree with you but it doesn’t mean we (certainly not me) are outraged by gambling. And the reasons you supplied aren’t accurate anyway, there’s plenty of ways a player can mess a game up chasing bets. Don’t think your stance on this is very realistic and that’s just from a competitive standpoint - add in the addiction and what that can do to a player/team.

The NFL is certainly hypocritical but they aren’t wrong for banning players from placing NFL bets. It’s almost all downside.

In comment 16128293 pjcas18 said:

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are allowed to play fantasy football for money. You people pearl clutching, it's very much the same thing or can be - or in many cases that can be worse than simply betting on your own NFL team to win.

Well, they can play for an extraordinarily limited amount of money - $250 for a season-long league, and no money at all on daily fantasy games. That may still be hypocritical, and of course the straight gambling rule sets no similarly nominal amount which is permissible, but I don't think anyone could reasonably suggest this would influence how anyone would play the game. Betting on games, at least in any meaningful amount, is clearly much much more dangerous to the integrity of the game than this nominal allowance for fantasy.

In the abstract there's nothing wrong with a player waging a small amount for their team to win on a money line bet.

It's when you introduce a spread or any other situational component, or material amounts of money, that it impacts the integrity of the game.

The last thing I want as a Giants fan is a player with a gambling addiction and huge money on the line playing.

If you've known a gambling addict, it's obvious why that's a distracting circumstance.

In comment 16128285 UConn4523 said:

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you are paid to play and to not gamble. Don’t like it? Fight for it in the CBA or don’t play.

Correct.

In comment 16128285 UConn4523 said:

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you are paid to play and to not gamble. Don’t like it? Fight for it in the CBA or don’t play.

Correct.

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In comment 16128243 pjcas18 said: Quote: slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game. Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it? So you have to bet the same amount on every game in your favor. Any variation? A sign to gamblers.

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Exactly and many people don’t even think about that.

Most companies have rules about buying company stock or cashing out options when or near the earnings come out.

They are simply locked out, same reason...most of that is reviewable by the SEC and corporate officers have to report their transactions.

Need to stay above reproach in those moments.

Betting in football is just going to get worse, we will have a Chicago Blacksox moment if they dont get on top of this.

In comment 16128243 pjcas18 said:

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slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game. Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it?

However, what does it say when you bet on your own team generally, but then all of a sudden do not bet on the game? Are you implying you do not expect your team that game to win or cover?

... is to have his agent write team incentives into his contract. Same basic expression of confidence as placing a bet with Vegas or on-line; almost none of the downside.

In comment 16128352 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:

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In comment 16128243 pjcas18 said: Quote: slope, but I have no issue with someone betting on their own team to win a football game. Betting on your team to lose/the other team to win, no bueno, but betting on yourself to win - don't boxers do it? However, what does it say when you bet on your own team generally, but then all of a sudden do not bet on the game? Are you implying you do not expect your team that game to win or cover?

Or how about over/unders, is that ok?

Any player has some degree of influence over the outcome of a game they play in. The question is whether someone who can influence the outcome can also place wagers on that outcome?

This is similar (although not exactly apples to apples) of an executive in a public company holding shares in his company. There is nothing wrong with him holding those shares as it it motivation to succeed, but if he sells those off? Those need to be reported. If he sells off a significant amount right before a poor earnings release? He is being investigated.

What happens when Daniel Jones lays $1,000 on a Giants win for the first six weeks, and then doesn't place a bet for week 7 and the team loses? You think the NFL and players wants to manage that?

It would be absolutely silly to let players bet on games they are participating in. The fact that boxing does it doesn't mean there is no problem with it.

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