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NFT: Mets at Braves: Game 1 - Carrasco vs. Elder - 7:20 pm EDT

Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 5:48 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups today & tomorrow against the Braves
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The Mets are currently a .500 team with a 30-30 record.
-They're in third place in the NL East, 5.5 games behind the first place Braves.
-Two of the three kids are sitting today: Alvarez and Vientos.

-Vogelbach is DHing against the righty and Narvaez is at Catcher for Alvarez.
-Lindor is slumping badly still and is hitting second today.
-McNeil is in LF today (batting third today) and Escobar is playing 2B (batting eighth).
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RE: RE: Or hell, Vientos  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:33 pm : link
In comment 16128994 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16128992 moze1021 said:


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Pham is the 3rd best RH bat off the bench



pham has been decent and coming off a big game. pinch hitting late with rookies in cold streaks isnt setting them up for success, it's more of a last resort type situation.


You sound like Buck man! How does a rookie get used to coming off the bench in a big situation if you don't give them a chance at it in June? Don't forget Alvarez and Vientos have had 4 of the biggest clutch hits for the Mets this year...

Damn..I sure as hell don't want bums like Vogelbach or Pham getting big September/October at bats vs guys like Vientos/Alvarez/Mauricio who all have more talent in their pinkies!! Enough of this bullshit with the low ceiling and just as low floor veterans..
RE: I agree Buck stuck too long with Carrasco  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16128999 Vanzetti said:
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I would have pulled CC after he walked the leadoff hitter. He was leaving his pitches up.

But maybe you can defend that by saying he got the GIDP the inning before.

However, I just don't see how you let him face Murphy after a walk and a double. Runners on second and third so no GIDP possibility

It really seems sometimes that Buck is more concerned with saving the pen--even after a day off--than he is with winning the game.


which has been his habit since september last year. no urgency to keep close games close. always saving his powder for the next game.
vucking vogelbach  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:36 pm : link
the one time you want him to try to walk himself on base he swings 3rd pitch. so sick of wasting at bats on him.
RE: RE: I agree Buck stuck too long with Carrasco  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16129002 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16128999 Vanzetti said:


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I would have pulled CC after he walked the leadoff hitter. He was leaving his pitches up.

But maybe you can defend that by saying he got the GIDP the inning before.

However, I just don't see how you let him face Murphy after a walk and a double. Runners on second and third so no GIDP possibility

It really seems sometimes that Buck is more concerned with saving the pen--even after a day off--than he is with winning the game.



which has been his habit since september last year. no urgency to keep close games close. always saving his powder for the next game.


Saves his powder. Or after the opponent takes the lead he brings in his top bullpen guys anyway--a case of closing the barn door after the horses have run out.
Buck’s got this team humming on all cylinders  
CooperDash : 6/6/2023 11:40 pm : link
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So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:41 pm : link
And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point
The secret to his success last year  
spike : 6/6/2023 11:41 pm : link
was Edwin. This year, no such luck
Putting McNeil in the OF cost the Mets possibly two runs  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:43 pm : link
Vogey and Escobar went 0-7.

So Buck's moves really backfired tonight.

McNeil at 2B, Canha in LF and Vientos at DH--Mets probably win the game
yea  
spike : 6/6/2023 11:44 pm : link
not sure why McNeil was in LF. Talk about snatching defeat out of victory
brutal loss to give up off an off day  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:45 pm : link
while burning 2/4 best relievers, who each gave up runs.

this team is 1 step forward 1 step back, still paying for the sins of last year.

im very close to flipping from defending buck to the exact opposite side in a span of 1 game thread. he just keeps making bad decisions on the margins. ill blame eppler for most of the shitty bp depth highlighted by the ridiculously stupid decision to trade holderman (which we all first guessed).

but buck makes the lineup card and vogelbach should not be hitting 5th until he at least hits 1 ball actually over a wall, and more realistically 5-10.

you cannot leave carrasco out there like he did. turned a game that should have been a win into a very bad loss.
RE: So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:47 pm : link
In comment 16129008 moze1021 said:
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And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point


every time i see iglesias in there looking unhittable (to us at least) i relive the stupid comment about robust relievers. also every time vogelbach does nothing which is often.
RE: So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:49 pm : link
In comment 16129008 moze1021 said:
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And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point


It's ironic because JD is the one veteran that Buck did not play regularly.

If he did and JD hit like he has this year (.853 OPS), the Ruf and Vogey trades never happen.

And Mets still have Holderman




RE: brutal loss to give up off an off day  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:53 pm : link
In comment 16129013 Eric on Li said:
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while burning 2/4 best relievers, who each gave up runs.

this team is 1 step forward 1 step back, still paying for the sins of last year.

im very close to flipping from defending buck to the exact opposite side in a span of 1 game thread. he just keeps making bad decisions on the margins. ill blame eppler for most of the shitty bp depth highlighted by the ridiculously stupid decision to trade holderman (which we all first guessed).

but buck makes the lineup card and vogelbach should not be hitting 5th until he at least hits 1 ball actually over a wall, and more realistically 5-10.

you cannot leave carrasco out there like he did. turned a game that should have been a win into a very bad loss.



Eric: you have been judiciously critical of Buck since last September.

I think most of us tend to over-react to Buck in the game threads and you "defend" Buck from that over-reaction.

But overall, you have been very balanced when it comes to Buck
RE: So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
GF1080 : 6/7/2023 8:08 am : link
In comment 16129008 moze1021 said:
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And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point


We can literally point to that week as the turning point for the Buck/Eppler era taking a turn down. Really started with the bad Holderman trade but Vogey activity hit with power when he first came over. What a mess.
RE: RE: So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
Optimus-NY : 6/7/2023 8:14 am : link
In comment 16129072 GF1080 said:
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In comment 16129008 moze1021 said:


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And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point



We can literally point to that week as the turning point for the Buck/Eppler era taking a turn down. Really started with the bad Holderman trade but Vogey activity hit with power when he first came over. What a mess.


+1
Short article on Vogelbach  
Optimus-NY : 6/7/2023 8:26 am : link
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One game of going 0 for 4 with 3 strikeouts shouldn’t be enough to determine someone’s fate. It’s more accumulative, though. Daniel Vogelbach has been the least popular New York Mets player for weeks now. Even Tommy Pham has had his moments. In a reduced role, Eduardo Escobar has been much better.

It has now become impossible to justify putting Vogelbach in the Mets starting lineup. And if he’s not starting regularly, what purpose does he serve? The universal DH makes the need for pinch hitters like him unnecessary. The Mets could only ever use him to pinch hit for a righty late in a game and if it's not the ninth inning or the game continues on, it might require a secondary move.



Enough is enough with Daniel Vogelbach whose welcome has been worn out - By Tim Boyle | 8:00 AM EDT | RisingApple.com - ( New Window )
RE: RE: brutal loss to give up off an off day  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2023 9:52 am : link
In comment 16129018 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16129013 Eric on Li said:


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while burning 2/4 best relievers, who each gave up runs.

this team is 1 step forward 1 step back, still paying for the sins of last year.

im very close to flipping from defending buck to the exact opposite side in a span of 1 game thread. he just keeps making bad decisions on the margins. ill blame eppler for most of the shitty bp depth highlighted by the ridiculously stupid decision to trade holderman (which we all first guessed).

but buck makes the lineup card and vogelbach should not be hitting 5th until he at least hits 1 ball actually over a wall, and more realistically 5-10.

you cannot leave carrasco out there like he did. turned a game that should have been a win into a very bad loss.




Eric: you have been judiciously critical of Buck since last September.

I think most of us tend to over-react to Buck in the game threads and you "defend" Buck from that over-reaction.

But overall, you have been very balanced when it comes to Buck


yeah i mean i try to not lose sight of the fact that through 5 months last year the personality of the team was everything we'd want - professional, fundamental, tough minded, clutch etc.

september was a terrible month and the start this year has been way too uneven. there are some obvious scapegoats (corner OFers, injuries, thin bp etc) but more and more as they've gotten healthy and rested buck's inability to get things right at DH and his bad decisions when the pen is rested stand out as consistent problems that are taking way too long to solve.

eppler gets partial blame on both too because his crappy moves in those spots havent helped. if he'd just spent a little more of cohen's money in those spots - money we know cohen was willing to spend since he handed correa a $300m deal - the team would be better right now. his under the radar moves have only hit the radar for the wrong reasons.
Buck's obsession with Vogelbach is just complete  
Metnut : 6/7/2023 10:20 am : link
nonsense. I don't get it.

Really frustrating loss last night. Cohen is quiet for now, but rest assured, he's fuming behind the scenes.
RE: The secret to his success last year  
Section331 : 6/7/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16129009 spike said:
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was Edwin. This year, no such luck


Disagree. It’s not like the Mets are losing games in the 8th or 9th, and Robinson has been really good. Last years was a bit of a mirage, with a season BABIP around .310. That wasn’t sustainable.

The question is, what now? Reports are that Cohen is getting really frustrated, and firings could be coming. Also reported that CLE may make Bieber available, wonder what it would take to get him?
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:34 am : link
Wouldn’t call Brandon Tierney’s BS “reports”. WFAN has truly gone downhill.
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:37 am : link
talking heads are bored with Cohen. They expected "George" and he's been anything but (besides the spending). Correa was his only "Cohen move" and that was 100% about money (I'm sure Eppler was on board with adding another all-star at zero talent cost).

Hard pass on Bieber. He's not the pitcher he once was and I'm not counting on the Mets to be the team to "turn him around". K rate has dropped now 4 seasons running and is now... 6.1 k/9. No thanks.
Meisel  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:39 am : link
"Bieber has far less margin for error than he did when he wielded a 94 mph fastball and when he leaned heavily on a lethal curveball. This year, though, his strikeout rate has plummeted and he has surrendered more hits and hard contact than ever before. He has tallied four or more strikeouts in only two of his 13 starts. His whiff rate has sharply decreased this season.."


Finding the right match could prove difficult. A quick survey of beat writers at The Athletic revealed the Angels (his hometown team), Orioles, Rangers, Cardinals, Astros, Padres, Mets and Dodgers could all express varying degrees of interest. Some of those teams have needs in their rotation. Some of those teams have a surplus of young outfielders. Some have both.

If the Guardians move Bieber this summer, it’ll be to a playoff contender. But will a contender part with a capable young hitter (or two) who has either reached the majors or is nearing such a promotion? In past deals, the Guardians have obtained both immediate and future help. For Clevinger, for example, they landed three big leaguers (Josh Naylor, Cal Quantrill, Austin Hedges) and three prospects (Gabriel Arias, Owen Miller, Joey Cantillo).

One scout was skeptical Bieber could net the Guardians as much as the Reds received for Luis Castillo last summer, though they noted Cleveland’s front office rarely budges from its asking price. The Guardians may seek a return worthy of a No. 1 to No. 2 starter, but other teams (aside from the A’s) have access to FanGraphs and Baseball Savant, where they can unearth Bieber’s underlying metrics. Castillo, like Bieber, had a year and change remaining of team control. The Reds landed three of Seattle’s top five prospects, per MLB Pipeline, though the Mariners did turn around two months later and sign Castillo to a five-year deal worth more than $100 million.

i think what to do now is read people the riot act re accountability  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2023 10:40 am : link
1 thing that i think people forget about 2015 because of what cespedes ended up doing is how big of an impact uribe and kelly johnson had instantly about a week or two earlier. and conforto too.

we had all bitched about how they kept plugging john "the best pinch hitter in baseball" mayberry into the cleanup spot, and a bunch of scrubs like that, and the lineup was terrible.

they claimed a few veterans off the waiver wire and announced "from now on the best guys are playing, period". and it lit a fire. they scored like 10+ runs that first game.

maybe there's 1 or 2 symbolic moves they can make but what BUCK should do right now is say look, we are all professionals here and we've tried to be patient, but it's June 7 and we aren't even at .500. no more excuses. the best guys are playing. you hit you stay in the lineup. no more benching guys day after they hit big homers. be ready in the BP. we have 4-6 weeks to earn the trust of management trading for reinforcements that we need to play like playoff baseball.
What  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:41 am : link
a stud


• Ethan Salas, already the most heralded Padres catching prospect ever, made his minor-league debut Tuesday with Low-A Lake Elsinore. He reached base in seven of his first eight plate appearances. Then he turned 17 on Thursday. Salas was the first 16-year-old to appear in full-season ball since Julio Urías in 2013. According to Baseball America, the last time a 16-year-old position player got extended time in full-season ball was Edgar Renteria in 1993. — Dennis Lin
Buck  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:43 am : link
isn't being fired and quite frankly I find it hard to believe Hefner or Jeremy Barnes (who they promoted just to keep in the off-season) will either. So who are they firing (in season)? Eric Chavez? A guy who Eppler personally brought in? Assistant hitting coach Eric Hinske? I've never been as enthusiastic about Buck as some of you guys but he's going to be given the entire season.
RE: I  
Section331 : 6/7/2023 10:47 am : link
In comment 16129163 DanMetroMan said:
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Wouldn’t call Brandon Tierney’s BS “reports”. WFAN has truly gone downhill.


I don’t listen to FAN, so I definitely didn’t hear it there, I think I saw it in the Athletic.
RE: RE: I  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16129177 Section331 said:
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In comment 16129163 DanMetroMan said:


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Wouldn’t call Brandon Tierney’s BS “reports”. WFAN has truly gone downhill.



I don’t listen to FAN, so I definitely didn’t hear it there, I think I saw it in the Athletic.


They Athletic most certainly did not report Cohen is getting frustrated and firings could be coming. I read their Mets coverage every morning, including Rosenthal.
Eppler is likely to get canned anyway  
moespree : 6/7/2023 10:50 am : link
When they hire a team president. I'm not sure he was ever long for the job the begin with, but it is what it is now.

I do think enough time has now passed where it is fair to look back at the trade deadline and think he may have ruined a good thing that was going. Their records pre and post deadline (carrying into this season) speak for themselves.

Whether that's a coincidence or not, it is a fact.
You  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:51 am : link
probably read this, from Brandon Tierney from WFAN


"“The Mets are one week away from having their owner turn into somebody we have not yet seen,” BT said. “Steve Cohen is a few more losses away from exploding, and when I say exploding, I mean firing, altering, flipping stuff over…I think the next few days, if they don’t play well, we’re waiting on Cohen.

“You don’t get to that point in life by being cutthroat…anyone who thinks Steve Cohen is going to take this lying down is out of their minds.”"
RE: Eppler is likely to get canned anyway  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:51 am : link
In comment 16129183 moespree said:
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When they hire a team president. I'm not sure he was ever long for the job the begin with, but it is what it is now.

I do think enough time has now passed where it is fair to look back at the trade deadline and think he may have ruined a good thing that was going. Their records pre and post deadline (carrying into this season) speak for themselves.

Whether that's a coincidence or not, it is a fact.


Stearns is close with Eppler. Eppler would likely remain.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:52 am : link
Matt Rudick reached base twice yesterday and also swiped his 10th base. His OPS now sits at a tidy .976. Luke Ritter with an interesting line on the season .209/.374/.466, 148 ab's 33 walks 11 homers
Ridings  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:53 am : link
made his season debut. 1 inning 2 hits 1 run
Maybe  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 10:59 am : link
you're referring to Rosenthal's update on all managers from 2 weeks ago where he suggests Cohen could move on from Buck after the season?



"While Showalter, who turns 67 on Tuesday, is under contract through next season, Steve Cohen figures to make significant changes if the season ends badly."
I would be pissed  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2023 11:06 am : link
if I were Cohen too.

you give your GM a $345M payroll and allow him to outspend the next closest team by almost $70M and these are the results?

You can give me all the excuses on the planet and I don't care. at some level the excuses no longer matter.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 11:13 am : link
Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
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After going 0-for-4 with 3 strikeouts on Tuesday night, Daniel Vogelbach is 6-for-47 with 1 extra-base hit, 1 RBI, and 16 K's.

He's now hitting just .209/.345/.304 for the season.

Mets have to make a decision here. Can't continue to get zero production from primary DH.
RE: Buck  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16129175 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't being fired and quite frankly I find it hard to believe Hefner or Jeremy Barnes (who they promoted just to keep in the off-season) will either. So who are they firing (in season)? Eric Chavez? A guy who Eppler personally brought in? Assistant hitting coach Eric Hinske? I've never been as enthusiastic about Buck as some of you guys but he's going to be given the entire season.


agreed - i think the symbolic gesture would more likely be a player like vogelbach getting DFA'd.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 11:45 am : link
2 walks so far today for Alex Ramirez, he's also added 2 SB's. He now has 6 on the season
The Mets may not be in contention for the division by the end of June.  
Optimus-NY : 6/7/2023 12:18 pm : link
They're lucky there are three Wild Card slots, except that they're playing with fire there too. This is NOT a playoff team right now. Plain and simple. The next move will involve a continued shuffling of players off of this roster. Vogelbach and Pham are the two guys who are fighting over a roster spot now. Right now, it's clear Vogey needs to go. He offers the least to this team. Eppler's just trying to save face with that awful trade last August.

Vogelbach needs to go sooner rather than later, and then Mauricio needs to come up. These kids need to play. Buck is not the manager for this team going forward. He does get the year though in all likelihood.
Mets Trash Talk Goes WRONG Against The Braves  
Optimus-NY : 6/7/2023 12:25 pm : link
See video below.


Mets Trash Talk Goes WRONG Against The Braves - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 1:08 pm : link
Parada 2-4, HR (his 4th), Jaylen Palmer his 17th steal, Manny Rodriguez 2 scoreless #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 1:10 pm : link
Ernesto Mercedes with quite the start for FCL Mets. 4 innings 3 hits 0 runs 1 walk 7 k's (he'll be 19 for the entire 2023 season) #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 1:36 pm : link
@BKCyclones win 7-6 on Kevin Parada's 3rd hit of the game. Parada finished 3-5, HR, 2 rbi, Ramirez 1-3, 2 BB, 2 SB, Eli Ankeney's scoreless appearance streak now stands at 8 (13 innings pitched) #Mets
RE: Mets Trash Talk Goes WRONG Against The Braves  
Drewcon40 : 6/7/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16129282 Optimus-NY said:
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See video below.
Mets Trash Talk Goes WRONG Against The Braves - ( New Window )


F'ing Mets - When did these guys earn the right to pound their chests? Be humble - Cohen bought the team, it didn't buy or guarantee success. F off
Buck did it again  
moze1021 : 6/7/2023 3:11 pm : link
Why is he so damn stuck on Vogelbach?

Can anyone think of another example like this in NY sports? Where a manager was just so infatuated/stubborn with a subpar player and he just kept throwing him out there?
Lineup  
GF1080 : 6/7/2023 3:15 pm : link
Please someone make it stop.
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DanMetroMan : 6/7/2023 4:33 pm : link
Mike Mayer
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Baseball America has updated their top 100 list with 3 Mets on it compared to 7 Mets on last months edition. Brett Baty and Kodai Senga have graduated, and Alex Ramírez and Jett Williams have fallen off the list.

No. 7 Francisco Álvarez
No. 64 Ronny Mauricio
No. 72 Kevin Parada
The Mets promoted  
allstarjim : 6/7/2023 4:39 pm : link
Vientos on May 17, and he started that night vs the Rays, hitting a dramatic, game-tying 2-rum homer against Ryan Thompson that ultimately resulted in a Mets win in extras, vs the best team in baseball. It was the biggest moment of the season.

The next day, Buck benches him, he did not even make a PH appearance.

Since May 17, the Mets have played 18 games, and Vientos has had 9 starts, but only playing the complete game 5 times.

In those 18 games, he has 34 plate appearances, with 6 hits, 2 BBs, 4 RBI, and the aforementioned HR, striking out 9 times.

His batting line is .188/.206/.487

Also since May 17, also with 9 starts, also with 5 complete games.

In that span, Vogelbach has received 38 PAs, with 3 Hs, one of them a double, 0 HRs, 1 RBI, 8 BBs, and 12 Ks.

Neither has been good, but obviously the time share is not working for either player. But Vogey was playing regularly before the MV promotion, and he wasn't hitting then, either.

Buck has screwed up Vientos. I hope he hasn't hurt his confidence, but it would be strange if he hadn't.

When a player comes up and hits one of the biggest homers of the season right away, you play him the next day. Instead, Vientos got just 11 plate appearances over the 7 games.

The saddest part is that now you may have to send him back down for him to get going again and hopefully re-gain his confidence.

You have to find a way to get all of the kids regular ABs, regular starts. If someone who hasn't been a contributor needs to be DFA'd to do it, so be it.

You look at how the Reds have treated Matt McLain, they called him up, and he's been their everyday SS, and he's rewarded them with a .341 BA and .896 OPS. McLain was promoted May 15, just a couple of days before Vientos, and he has 96 PAs. McLain 96 PAs, Vientos 34. Sad situation.



This is the most underachieving team ever  
CooperDash : 6/7/2023 5:22 pm : link
Listen, I get it. A $350 million payroll does not guarantee you success….. but it also kind of does. Buck is clearly sacrificing offense and defense just so that he could shoehorn his favorite players into the lineup. We have players fielding secondary positions just so Vogelbach can DH. It makes no fucking sense. To have Vientos called up to ride the bench makes zero fucking sense. Last nights game against the Braves is a prime example of Bucks ineptitude and causing a loss to the team that we are chasing. It really doesn’t need to be this difficult.
Buck will definitely be fired if Mets miss playoffs  
Vanzetti : 6/7/2023 5:30 pm : link
Quite Possible he is fired midseason if Mets fall behind in WC race.


IMO Buck has done a poor job ever since last September. But the problems with this organization run far deeper than the manager or even the GM.

RE: The Mets promoted  
Vanzetti : 6/7/2023 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16129484 allstarjim said:
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Vientos on May 17, and he started that night vs the Rays, hitting a dramatic, game-tying 2-rum homer against Ryan Thompson that ultimately resulted in a Mets win in extras, vs the best team in baseball. It was the biggest moment of the season.

The next day, Buck benches him, he did not even make a PH appearance.

Since May 17, the Mets have played 18 games, and Vientos has had 9 starts, but only playing the complete game 5 times.

In those 18 games, he has 34 plate appearances, with 6 hits, 2 BBs, 4 RBI, and the aforementioned HR, striking out 9 times.

His batting line is .188/.206/.487

Also since May 17, also with 9 starts, also with 5 complete games.

In that span, Vogelbach has received 38 PAs, with 3 Hs, one of them a double, 0 HRs, 1 RBI, 8 BBs, and 12 Ks.

Neither has been good, but obviously the time share is not working for either player. But Vogey was playing regularly before the MV promotion, and he wasn't hitting then, either.

Buck has screwed up Vientos. I hope he hasn't hurt his confidence, but it would be strange if he hadn't.

When a player comes up and hits one of the biggest homers of the season right away, you play him the next day. Instead, Vientos got just 11 plate appearances over the 7 games.

The saddest part is that now you may have to send him back down for him to get going again and hopefully re-gain his confidence.

You have to find a way to get all of the kids regular ABs, regular starts. If someone who hasn't been a contributor needs to be DFA'd to do it, so be it.

You look at how the Reds have treated Matt McLain, they called him up, and he's been their everyday SS, and he's rewarded them with a .341 BA and .896 OPS. McLain was promoted May 15, just a couple of days before Vientos, and he has 96 PAs. McLain 96 PAs, Vientos 34. Sad situation.





Buck never wanted Vientos called up. That's why he is not giving him regular ABs
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