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NFT: Mets at Braves: Game 1 - Carrasco vs. Elder - 7:20 pm EDT

Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 5:48 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups today & tomorrow against the Braves
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The Mets are currently a .500 team with a 30-30 record.
-They're in third place in the NL East, 5.5 games behind the first place Braves.
-Two of the three kids are sitting today: Alvarez and Vientos.

-Vogelbach is DHing against the righty and Narvaez is at Catcher for Alvarez.
-Lindor is slumping badly still and is hitting second today.
-McNeil is in LF today (batting third today) and Escobar is playing 2B (batting eighth).
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Nido is gone now, having been DFAd yesterday.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 5:59 pm : link
The Mets' 4-man bench today is as follows:

Alvarez, Canha, Vientos, & Pham

Say what you want, but the Mets are a better club with Narvaez in lieu of Nido now. Hopefully Narvaez stays healthy now. He's a fine re-addition. Buck ain't wasting anytime putting him out there tonight. I just wish Alvarez's bat was in the lineup at DH instead of Vogey, especially with this particular opponent. No reason to give away games.

It looks like Vogelbach or Pham have to be next to go, but via trade this time. I'm assuming this won't happen until near the trade deadline on July 31st. Hope I'm wrong though. I'd rather it be Vogelbach and hope it's sooner instead of later to get Mauricio up here, but it seems like he'll need another month and a half to acclimate to LF in Syracuse before anything is considered. Gonna be an interesting buildup to the trading deadline during the next 7 to 8 weeks or so.
Here are the standings in the N.L. East now:  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 6:06 pm : link

Current MLB standings
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-The Mets need to not get swept here. That would be painful. One of three is the minimum. 2 of 3 would help point them in the right direction IMHO. This is a big series.
Vogelbach batting 5th lol  
MyNameIsMyName : 6/6/2023 6:10 pm : link
All I can do is laugh anymore at Bucks lineups
Love the Mets, but man, they have become a tough watch.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/6/2023 6:15 pm : link
Vogelbach is slow and has no power. Lindor has turned into early-career Jose Oquendo.

Why is the hitting coach not on the hot seat? If one guy is slumping, you figure it's that guy. If everyone is slumping, doesn't that suggest the coaching is a problem. Then you have young hitters coming up, starting strong and then cooling off — which is common, since the league gets a book on them, but it's also consistent with bad coaching at the MLB level.
RE: Vogelbach batting 5th lol  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16128830 MyNameIsMyName said:
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All I can do is laugh anymore at Bucks lineups


I feel the same way.

It seems like the Mets front office has been a clownshow since 1988.
I'd go after two relievers:  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 6:23 pm : link
Scott Barlow from KC (article on him HERE) is one and former Met Trevor Williams from the horrible Nats is the other.
The Mets are two games out of the last Wildcard spot:  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 6:32 pm : link
They're currently 7th in the NL, so they're right there in the playoff hunt, immediately behind the Brewers.
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PlayoffStatus.com - MLB - Week 11 of 27 - National League Playoff Picture
Here are the Mets' Top 30 prospect rankings according to mlb.com.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 6:38 pm : link
I have no idea why Mark Vientos is still on this list since he's in the Show now.

Will any of the guys listed 21 to 30 go in a deal for a reliever?


MLB.com New York Mets Prospect Rankings for 2023 - Top 30 - ( New Window )
RE: I'd go after two relievers:  
Shecky : 6/6/2023 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16128839 Optimus-NY said:
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Scott Barlow from KC (article on him HERE) is one and former Met Trevor Williams from the horrible Nats is the other.


He left because Nats promised him he'd start. Not sure how much he'd welcome the BP transition.
My top 10 would be  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 6:52 pm : link
Parada
Mauricio
Vasil
Williams
Tidwell
Rudick
Peroza
Ramirez
Ziegler
McIlwain


My list is really weighted towards upper levels and likelihood of making majors. Probably some younger guys who should be on there but I tend to look at production.
RE: Here are the Mets' Top 30 prospect rankings according to mlb.com.  
GF1080 : 6/6/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16128850 Optimus-NY said:
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I have no idea why Mark Vientos is still on this list since he's in the Show now.

Will any of the guys listed 21 to 30 go in a deal for a reliever?
MLB.com New York Mets Prospect Rankings for 2023 - Top 30 - ( New Window )


Because he didn't pass rookie status yet. I think 45 days on active roster or 50 IP or 130 AB. He hasn't reached any of those milestones yet.
RE: RE: Here are the Mets' Top 30 prospect rankings according to mlb.com.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16128871 GF1080 said:
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I have no idea why Mark Vientos is still on this list since he's in the Show now.

Will any of the guys listed 21 to 30 go in a deal for a reliever?
MLB.com New York Mets Prospect Rankings for 2023 - Top 30 - ( New Window )



Because he didn't pass rookie status yet. I think 45 days on active roster or 50 IP or 130 AB. He hasn't reached any of those milestones yet.


Thanks GF!
RE: RE: I'd go after two relievers:  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16128855 Shecky said:
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Scott Barlow from KC (article on him HERE) is one and former Met Trevor Williams from the horrible Nats is the other.



He left because Nats promised him he'd start. Not sure how much he'd welcome the BP transition.


Gotta try, right?
RE: RE: RE: Here are the Mets' Top 30 prospect rankings according to mlb.com.  
GF1080 : 6/6/2023 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16128897 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16128850 Optimus-NY said:


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I have no idea why Mark Vientos is still on this list since he's in the Show now.

Will any of the guys listed 21 to 30 go in a deal for a reliever?
MLB.com New York Mets Prospect Rankings for 2023 - Top 30 - ( New Window )



Because he didn't pass rookie status yet. I think 45 days on active roster or 50 IP or 130 AB. He hasn't reached any of those milestones yet.



Thanks GF!


NP! Thanks for all your posts here to keep us informed. I like the visuals.

And believe it or not today is the 45th day on active roster for Vientos so he graduated from prospect status. Pipeline just updated and they have him out and Chris Larez now enters as prospect #30.
interesting look at the offense through 60 games from britton  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 8:04 pm : link


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The Mets essentially brought back the same group. Francisco Álvarez and Brett Baty have taken over at catcher and third base, respectively, and Daniel Vogelbach is here from the start of the season at DH. But many of the large drop-offs have come from incumbents...

While Mark Canha’s OPS is only down 35 points from where it was this time last season, left field as a whole has been more of a black hole in the New York lineup. (Some of that falls on Jeff McNeil, whose OPS when playing left is just .452.) McNeil’s OPS as a whole is down 106 points. Luis Guillorme’s lack of production accentuates the plummet at second base.

The Mets still haven’t solved their DH conundrum — it wasn’t like they were getting all-world numbers from that spot last season — and both Francisco Lindor and Starling Marte are significantly down from where they were a year ago.


half full = mcneil and lindor are all stars, the babip should be as low as it is, especially without the shift. canha and marte have started to look better. the babip is pretty glaring though and seems likely to turn around.
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pjcas18 : 6/6/2023 8:21 pm : link
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Alex Ramírez continues his hot stretch as he whacked another home run tonight for Brooklyn (High-A).

The 20-year-old now has five home runs and 29 RBIs on the season.

His average up to .260 and OPS up to .743 after a slow start.

#Mets
RE: My top 10 would be  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2023 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16128866 Vanzetti said:
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Parada
Mauricio
Vasil
Williams
Tidwell
Rudick
Peroza
Ramirez
Ziegler
McIlwain


My list is really weighted towards upper levels and likelihood of making majors. Probably some younger guys who should be on there but I tend to look at production.


Why so low with Ramirez?

I would have him after Jett probably.
The game should begin in 30 minutes at 9 pm ET.  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 8:31 pm : link




Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets - Tweets - ( New Window )
Here are links to tonight's game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2023 9:04 pm : link
Mets at Braves | 9 pm EDT start - June 6, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - SNY: Gary & Keith

Mets at Braves | 9 pm EDT start - June 6, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Braves' feed

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch - Mets at Braves - June 6, 2023 - 9 pm EDT start

Enjoy :-)
ramirez' homer was crushed  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 9:07 pm : link
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Alex Ramirez has homered in two straight games for High-A @BKCyclones


fan of his game and timing lines up with when it may make sense to shift nimmo to a corner (or just give him more rest). not untradeable but he's a good prospect.
https://twitter.com/PSLToFlushing/status/1666248103656136707 - ( New Window )
How is Mauricio NOT no 1  
spike : 6/6/2023 9:32 pm : link
on the Mets prospect list now?

Can Jose Butto be a better option in the Mets pen?
Woohoo  
ZGiants98 : 6/6/2023 9:45 pm : link
Nice!
Let's go  
spike : 6/6/2023 9:48 pm : link
Cookie Carrasco!
Why cant  
spike : 6/6/2023 10:15 pm : link
Alvarez and Narvaez alternate as DH? Volgie can stay as bench bat, if we dont get rid of him.
If senga and Quintana are any good  
spike : 6/6/2023 10:37 pm : link
Cookie is basically our 5th starter, winning hopefully half the games.
vientos should get a run as near every day DH  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 10:41 pm : link
his average exit velocity right now is 96 mph. if that qualified it would be 2nd best in MLB behind judge.

his average exit velocity over his 2 years at the MLB level is 94.7mph. that would be 6th best in baseball.

he had 2 near homers to cf that would have been out in other parks in the series vs toronto. young players cant get better not playing. no issue giving vogelbach occasional starts but they have to give up on this idea that he is any way, shape, or form a #5 hitter. he is a role player who presents severe roster flexibility limitations.
Just a data point..  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 10:48 pm : link
Elly de la Cruz, a top prospect for the Reds made his MLB debut tonight..

He batted 4th.

Unless I'm mistaken I think the Mets rookies have started in the top 4 in the lineup a total of 1 time this year.
What an inning...  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/6/2023 10:48 pm : link
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This is the epitome of a losing team.  
CooperDash : 6/6/2023 10:57 pm : link
When the manager just NEEDS to shoehorn in his favorite ineffective veterans into the game every day, even if it’s not their natural position….or a very good fielder. Scholarships are abundant!!
Wait...  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:10 pm : link
Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS
RE: Wait...  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16128989 moze1021 said:
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Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS


1 run game you have 6 outs left,
narvaez has no power and first game back,
pham hit 2 homers last game and hits lefties.

buck was too slow as usual w/ bp but pham there is fine.
RE: RE: Wait...  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16128990 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16128989 moze1021 said:


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Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS



1 run game you have 6 outs left,
narvaez has no power and first game back,
pham hit 2 homers last game and hits lefties.

buck was too slow as usual w/ bp but pham there is fine.


I meant instead of Alvarez
Or hell, Vientos  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:20 pm : link
Pham is the 3rd best RH bat off the bench
RE: RE: RE: Wait...  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:22 pm : link
In comment 16128991 moze1021 said:
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In comment 16128989 moze1021 said:


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Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS



1 run game you have 6 outs left,
narvaez has no power and first game back,
pham hit 2 homers last game and hits lefties.

buck was too slow as usual w/ bp but pham there is fine.



I meant instead of Alvarez


he's on a 1/17 and hasnt done much pinch hitting. no issue if you choose him but pham is just as defendable. managers generally dont like not having a catcher on the bench if a game goes into extras.
RE: Or hell, Vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16128992 moze1021 said:
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Pham is the 3rd best RH bat off the bench


pham has been decent and coming off a big game. pinch hitting late with rookies in cold streaks isnt setting them up for success, it's more of a last resort type situation.
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moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16128993 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16128989 moze1021 said:


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Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS



1 run game you have 6 outs left,
narvaez has no power and first game back,
pham hit 2 homers last game and hits lefties.

buck was too slow as usual w/ bp but pham there is fine.



I meant instead of Alvarez



he's on a 1/17 and hasnt done much pinch hitting. no issue if you choose him but pham is just as defendable. managers generally dont like not having a catcher on the bench if a game goes into extras.


I mean I can buy the slump thing I guess, but I still disagree...

Your catcher on the bench thing makes no sense though in this case. Alvarez had to come in anyway
Braves are gonna win as always  
spike : 6/6/2023 11:25 pm : link
and Mets are gonna lose as always
I agree Buck stuck too long with Carrasco  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:27 pm : link
I would have pulled CC after he walked the leadoff hitter. He was leaving his pitches up.

But maybe you can defend that by saying he got the GIDP the inning before.

However, I just don't see how you let him face Murphy after a walk and a double. Runners on second and third so no GIDP possibility

It really seems sometimes that Buck is more concerned with saving the pen--even after a day off--than he is with winning the game.
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Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:32 pm : link
In comment 16128995 moze1021 said:
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In comment 16128989 moze1021 said:


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Why is Pham pinch hitting for Narvaez.. this is ridiculous.. idk what the hell Keith and Gary are on defending this move. Total BS



1 run game you have 6 outs left,
narvaez has no power and first game back,
pham hit 2 homers last game and hits lefties.

buck was too slow as usual w/ bp but pham there is fine.



I meant instead of Alvarez



he's on a 1/17 and hasnt done much pinch hitting. no issue if you choose him but pham is just as defendable. managers generally dont like not having a catcher on the bench if a game goes into extras.



I mean I can buy the slump thing I guess, but I still disagree...

Your catcher on the bench thing makes no sense though in this case. Alvarez had to come in anyway

duh forgot who he was pinch hitting for.
RE: RE: Or hell, Vientos  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:33 pm : link
In comment 16128994 Eric on Li said:
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Pham is the 3rd best RH bat off the bench



pham has been decent and coming off a big game. pinch hitting late with rookies in cold streaks isnt setting them up for success, it's more of a last resort type situation.


You sound like Buck man! How does a rookie get used to coming off the bench in a big situation if you don't give them a chance at it in June? Don't forget Alvarez and Vientos have had 4 of the biggest clutch hits for the Mets this year...

Damn..I sure as hell don't want bums like Vogelbach or Pham getting big September/October at bats vs guys like Vientos/Alvarez/Mauricio who all have more talent in their pinkies!! Enough of this bullshit with the low ceiling and just as low floor veterans..
RE: I agree Buck stuck too long with Carrasco  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16128999 Vanzetti said:
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I would have pulled CC after he walked the leadoff hitter. He was leaving his pitches up.

But maybe you can defend that by saying he got the GIDP the inning before.

However, I just don't see how you let him face Murphy after a walk and a double. Runners on second and third so no GIDP possibility

It really seems sometimes that Buck is more concerned with saving the pen--even after a day off--than he is with winning the game.


which has been his habit since september last year. no urgency to keep close games close. always saving his powder for the next game.
vucking vogelbach  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:36 pm : link
the one time you want him to try to walk himself on base he swings 3rd pitch. so sick of wasting at bats on him.
RE: RE: I agree Buck stuck too long with Carrasco  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16129002 Eric on Li said:
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I would have pulled CC after he walked the leadoff hitter. He was leaving his pitches up.

But maybe you can defend that by saying he got the GIDP the inning before.

However, I just don't see how you let him face Murphy after a walk and a double. Runners on second and third so no GIDP possibility

It really seems sometimes that Buck is more concerned with saving the pen--even after a day off--than he is with winning the game.



which has been his habit since september last year. no urgency to keep close games close. always saving his powder for the next game.


Saves his powder. Or after the opponent takes the lead he brings in his top bullpen guys anyway--a case of closing the barn door after the horses have run out.
Buck’s got this team humming on all cylinders  
CooperDash : 6/6/2023 11:40 pm : link
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So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
moze1021 : 6/6/2023 11:41 pm : link
And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point
The secret to his success last year  
spike : 6/6/2023 11:41 pm : link
was Edwin. This year, no such luck
Putting McNeil in the OF cost the Mets possibly two runs  
Vanzetti : 6/6/2023 11:43 pm : link
Vogey and Escobar went 0-7.

So Buck's moves really backfired tonight.

McNeil at 2B, Canha in LF and Vientos at DH--Mets probably win the game
yea  
spike : 6/6/2023 11:44 pm : link
not sure why McNeil was in LF. Talk about snatching defeat out of victory
brutal loss to give up off an off day  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:45 pm : link
while burning 2/4 best relievers, who each gave up runs.

this team is 1 step forward 1 step back, still paying for the sins of last year.

im very close to flipping from defending buck to the exact opposite side in a span of 1 game thread. he just keeps making bad decisions on the margins. ill blame eppler for most of the shitty bp depth highlighted by the ridiculously stupid decision to trade holderman (which we all first guessed).

but buck makes the lineup card and vogelbach should not be hitting 5th until he at least hits 1 ball actually over a wall, and more realistically 5-10.

you cannot leave carrasco out there like he did. turned a game that should have been a win into a very bad loss.
RE: So Braves got Iglesias for peanuts...  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2023 11:47 pm : link
In comment 16129008 moze1021 said:
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And we gave up a ransom for Ruf, Vogelbach, and Naquin..

Damn that deadline was such a turning point


every time i see iglesias in there looking unhittable (to us at least) i relive the stupid comment about robust relievers. also every time vogelbach does nothing which is often.
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