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4 Giants who will likely be off the Giants roster after '22

TrevorC : 6/6/2023 7:54 pm
I know Fansided is whatever, but I kind of agree that at least 2 of them will be gone. But there is a chance that Glowinski is kept as depth at least and Taylor as a serviceable (for about 5 plays) back up because of his connection with Dabes.

4 Giants likely in last season

Also piggybacking Eric's thought on JC, this article was above it:

Crowder showing out in OTAs

To be fair I have yet to read the Crowder article because I got tied up. I hope it hasn't been posted.


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Spider43 : 6/6/2023 7:56 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/6/2023 7:58 pm : link
Haven't read the articles, but this is probably Adoree's last season here.
The story is a little confusing  
Bill in UT : 6/6/2023 8:08 pm : link
It seems like they're saying some guys won't be here after this coming season, and some may be cut before this season. The 4 guys are Peart, Glowinski, Taylor and Holmes. Glowinski and Taylor definitely make it this year, Glowinski and maybe Taylor gone after this year, imo. Peart could easily not make this year's team, but isn't getting a 2nd contract unless a miracle takes place. DeVito is probably not the guy to be #2 after this year, so it's either Taylor or another journeyman after this season.
RE: The story is a little confusing  
Bill in UT : 6/6/2023 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16128910 Bill in UT said:
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It seems like they're saying some guys won't be here after this coming season, and some may be cut before this season. The 4 guys are Peart, Glowinski, Taylor and Holmes. Glowinski and Taylor definitely make it this year, Glowinski and maybe Taylor gone after this year, imo. Peart could easily not make this year's team, but isn't getting a 2nd contract unless a miracle takes place. DeVito is probably not the guy to be #2 after this year, so it's either Taylor or another journeyman after this season.

And Holmes could be traded before the season and may or may not be re-signed. Or he could be our starting slot guy. Big question mark, depending not just on him, but on who else steps up in the slot. Wink seems to be a fan
Numbers 4, 3, and 2 (Peart, Holmes, and Glowinski)...  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/6/2023 8:18 pm : link
... are basically "Whatever." Peart and Holmes might not make the team this year, and Glowinski's signing was always conceived as a two-year deal amortized over three years. If he has a solid 2023 and none of the other RG candidates step up to dislodge him, he might be back for what amounts to a team option year.

The whole discussion of Tyrod Taylor is misguided. First of all, Tommy DeVito is not dislodging him this year. That's just stupid, and the cap savings wouldn't even be that big. Looking ahead to 2024, the Giants won't draft a QB high unless Jones either craters or gets seriously hurt. So re-signing Taylor might be the best option for filling the #2 spot. Nobody's going to offer him starter money. I'm not saying he'll be back, just pointing to holes in the reasoning here for saying he won't be.
Well  
Semipro Lineman : 6/6/2023 8:22 pm : link


Both articles were more filler than analysis or reporting. However, the second article does a decent job of pointing out the potential value that Chowder brings to the roster which is probably being under-reported due to the other additions to the team.
The important questions are Barkley, Jackson, Williams, and McKinney.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/6/2023 8:34 pm : link
After that, you're on to short-term signings like Campbell, Slayton, and A'Shawn Robinson, who represent significant investments but may or may not figure in the long-term plan. There's also Waller, who's kind of a separate category: he's here as long as he remains healthy and productive.
RE: RE: The story is a little confusing  
TrevorC : 6/6/2023 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16128913 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 16128910 Bill in UT said:


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It seems like they're saying some guys won't be here after this coming season, and some may be cut before this season. The 4 guys are Peart, Glowinski, Taylor and Holmes. Glowinski and Taylor definitely make it this year, Glowinski and maybe Taylor gone after this year, imo. Peart could easily not make this year's team, but isn't getting a 2nd contract unless a miracle takes place. DeVito is probably not the guy to be #2 after this year, so it's either Taylor or another journeyman after this season.


And Holmes could be traded before the season and may or may not be re-signed. Or he could be our starting slot guy. Big question mark, depending not just on him, but on who else steps up in the slot. Wink seems to be a fan


The thing with Holmes is that we don't know AR's status coming back from injury and Wink supposedly likes him. But,I do think Holmes is possibly a cut risk especially if Hawkins shows he can play corner due to salary.

Also Bill, the article pretty much says LIKELY to be gone after this season, which is accurate. Peart was a 3rd rounder who has barely played but was promising. Glowinski is veteran starter (as of now) so that is significant. I think it all depends on the development of Ezeudu and McKethan as well as whether they would prefer to re-sign Bredeson.

Taylor is an injury waiting to happen, so DeVito might get stashed on PS.

Point is, I pretty much agree with every single player on this list with the exception of Glowinski. If he plays well, he might get another offer.
RE: Well  
TrevorC : 6/6/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16128920 Semipro Lineman said:
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Both articles were more filler than analysis or reporting. However, the second article does a decent job of pointing out the potential value that Chowder brings to the roster which is probably being under-reported due to the other additions to the team.


I wasnt saying it was anything earth shattering Semi. But the fact that the author puts into perspective how these 4 players, 2 starters 1 fairly high draft pick and our back up QB are likely to be kicked to the curb without much of a loss was something to put into perspective come next year.
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TrevorC : 6/6/2023 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16128902 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Haven't read the articles, but this is probably Adoree's last season here.


Ive been back n forth on Adoré. I almost think he is being given the Daniel Jones treatment where the new FO wants to see him do it for another full year and he might be offered an extension. He IS.a good player, but I remember rumblings of JS not being happy with his effort in the Eagles playoff. Hell the whole team sucked balls so who knows.
RE: The important questions are Barkley, Jackson, Williams, and McKinney.  
Bill in UT : 6/6/2023 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16128927 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Basically, these are all guys who you have to do a cost/benefit analysis. I think we know what we can expect out of Barkley, Jackson and William- they're all guys moving into the back end of their careers. We'll probably be faced with diminishing returns on all of them if we give them "long" contracts, but as of now we don't have backups at any of their positions who we can count on to play at a high level. McKinney is a prove it guy for me, I don't think he's reached the status of being near the top at his position, but he's probably going to want to be paid like he's there.
Its all about the dollars and sense  
SGMen : 6/6/2023 9:30 pm : link
Does the guy make sense for the future in light of his salary?

We will need space to extend guys and keep Barkley.
RE: RE: The important questions are Barkley, Jackson, Williams, and McKinney.  
TrevorC : 6/6/2023 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16128950 Bill in UT said:
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Basically, these are all guys who you have to do a cost/benefit analysis. I think we know what we can expect out of Barkley, Jackson and William- they're all guys moving into the back end of their careers. We'll probably be faced with diminishing returns on all of them if we give them "long" contracts, but as of now we don't have backups at any of their positions who we can count on to play at a high level. McKinney is a prove it guy for me, I don't think he's reached the status of being near the top at his position, but he's probably going to want to be paid like he's there.


The thing about Jackson tho, is he plays a premium position. I think a guy loke him is the bigger priority than Williams or Barkley. Barkley shouldnt really be in the same conversation.

But if Williams puts up '21 numbers, and Jackson puts up '20 numbers, who do you prioritize? I say Jackson, but they are both under 30 and can still play. But if I had to pick one, I take Jackson.
RE: RE: RE: The important questions are Barkley, Jackson, Williams, and McKinney.  
Angel Eyes : 6/6/2023 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16128956 TrevorC said:
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Basically, these are all guys who you have to do a cost/benefit analysis. I think we know what we can expect out of Barkley, Jackson and William- they're all guys moving into the back end of their careers. We'll probably be faced with diminishing returns on all of them if we give them "long" contracts, but as of now we don't have backups at any of their positions who we can count on to play at a high level. McKinney is a prove it guy for me, I don't think he's reached the status of being near the top at his position, but he's probably going to want to be paid like he's there.



The thing about Jackson tho, is he plays a premium position. I think a guy loke him is the bigger priority than Williams or Barkley. Barkley shouldnt really be in the same conversation.

But if Williams puts up '21 numbers, and Jackson puts up '20 numbers, who do you prioritize? I say Jackson, but they are both under 30 and can still play. But if I had to pick one, I take Jackson.

Unfortunately there's nobody to replace Williams long-term on the roster at the 3-tech spot. Dexter Lawrence is a NT and we've learned that he shouldn't be any other spot (having him be a 3-4 DE is a waste of time), Nacho, Davidson, Riley, and Butler are NTs, A'Shawn Robinson is more the 5-tech that comes off on passing downs and isn't signed after this year, and Anderson is too light to be a consistent presence inside.
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Semipro Lineman : 6/7/2023 4:57 am : link
In comment 16128945 TrevorC said:
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Both articles were more filler than analysis or reporting. However, the second article does a decent job of pointing out the potential value that Chowder brings to the roster which is probably being under-reported due to the other additions to the team.



I wasnt saying it was anything earth shattering Semi. But the fact that the author puts into perspective how these 4 players, 2 starters 1 fairly high draft pick and our back up QB are likely to be kicked to the curb without much of a loss was something to put into perspective come next year.


My bad for not making it clear that I was making fun of the guys who wrote the article and not you for posting them.
I think anybody on BBI  
Gman11 : 6/7/2023 6:45 am : link
could have written those articles. They are basically filler to just report on something about the Giants during the off season.

Writing an article about who might be gone in 2024? Come on. Who really cares about 2024 at this moment? I'm stoked for THIS YEAR. And, picking out three backups who might not be here next year isn't exactly going out on a limb or insightful analysis. The only one that is a starter, Glowinski, was signed as a stop gap and not a long term solution to their OL problems.
Glowinski is the only one that matters of those 4 players  
ThomasG : 6/7/2023 9:20 am : link
because as of now the Giants don't have anyone at Guard that is better.

A couple of young guys may develop this year or the Giants can target another Guard on maybe Day 2 of 2024 Draft to replace him but that isn't visible as of yet.

Matt Peart - Never going to be a star, but  
Bob in Newburgh : 6/7/2023 10:14 am : link
All the switching side to side issues that create sympathy for Evan Neal should logically apply to Peart also.

The problem for us is short of moving Neal over from RT (which would defeat what we are trying to do with him), Peart may be the only OT with the movement athleticism to protect the blind side should Thomas go down. I like Phillips, but at RT only.

Depending on what happens in draft and FA I could see Peart brought back on a 1-year bridge deal at least.
RE: Matt Peart - Never going to be a star, but  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16129145 Bob in Newburgh said:
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All the switching side to side issues that create sympathy for Evan Neal should logically apply to Peart also.

The problem for us is short of moving Neal over from RT (which would defeat what we are trying to do with him), Peart may be the only OT with the movement athleticism to protect the blind side should Thomas go down. I like Phillips, but at RT only.

Depending on what happens in draft and FA I could see Peart brought back on a 1-year bridge deal at least.

Unlike Peart, Neal never had his desire questioned. Also unlike Peart, Neal was never openly referred to as a "4th tackle" by Schoen.
RE: Matt Peart - Never going to be a star, but  
TrevorC : 6/7/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16129145 Bob in Newburgh said:
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All the switching side to side issues that create sympathy for Evan Neal should logically apply to Peart also.

The problem for us is short of moving Neal over from RT (which would defeat what we are trying to do with him), Peart may be the only OT with the movement athleticism to protect the blind side should Thomas go down. I like Phillips, but at RT only.

Depending on what happens in draft and FA I could see Peart brought back on a 1-year bridge deal at least.


Peart seems like a lost cause. He was always a project at the NFL level and he had his desire questioned. He has looked pretty dreadful. Unless he has an outstanding camp and God forbid one of Neal or Thomas gets hurt and he shines while filling in, he is gone as far as Im concerned. Only 200k dead cap next year.

Holmes fate rests almost entirely on Aaron Gibson returning. If Gibson shows up healthy and gets his game back 8n camp, Holmes may be gone THIS year.
RE: RE: Matt Peart - Never going to be a star, but  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2023 11:32 am : link
In comment 16129202 TrevorC said:
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All the switching side to side issues that create sympathy for Evan Neal should logically apply to Peart also.

The problem for us is short of moving Neal over from RT (which would defeat what we are trying to do with him), Peart may be the only OT with the movement athleticism to protect the blind side should Thomas go down. I like Phillips, but at RT only.

Depending on what happens in draft and FA I could see Peart brought back on a 1-year bridge deal at least.



Peart seems like a lost cause. He was always a project at the NFL level and he had his desire questioned. He has looked pretty dreadful. Unless he has an outstanding camp and God forbid one of Neal or Thomas gets hurt and he shines while filling in, he is gone as far as Im concerned. Only 200k dead cap next year.

Holmes fate rests almost entirely on Aaron Gibson returning. If Gibson shows up healthy and gets his game back 8n camp, Holmes may be gone THIS year.

I assume you mean Aaron Robinson. Nobody wants to see Aaron Gibson playing corner.

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