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Hilary : 6/7/2023 7:19 am
1.6 million dollar cap hit if cut
The giants seem to have invested a lot of money in a kicker who never pins the other team inside the 10 yard line
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First of all it isn’t a $1.6m cap hit if cut  
BillT : 6/7/2023 7:52 am : link
It’s $1.1m cap savings and $.5m dead cap this year and next. Second, he’s the only punter on the roster so just who will you be replacing him with.
Still cannot believe  
redwhiteandbigblue : 6/7/2023 8:08 am : link
no one was brought in to compete with him last year (or this year so far). He is horrible. No sense of directional punting and too often out kicks coverage or kicks into the EZ. At the very minimum, they need to bring another punter or 2 to camp to challenge him. Improving field position and pinning teams deep in their territory are well worth $500,000.
Again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/7/2023 8:11 am : link
His inside-the-20 punts markedly improved in the second-half of the season.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GillJa00/gamelog/2022/ - ( New Window )
if it ain't broke  
WillieYoung : 6/7/2023 8:19 am : link
don't fix it
How will the rule change affect him? Directional punting and pinning  
Ivan15 : 6/7/2023 8:29 am : link
The opponent inside the 10 may not be a skill that is needed anymore. Once a team is inside the 50, maybe the just go for it on 4th down. No strategy.
RE: How will the rule change affect him? Directional punting and pinning  
Mad Mike : 6/7/2023 8:35 am : link
In comment 16129080 Ivan15 said:
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The opponent inside the 10 may not be a skill that is needed anymore. Once a team is inside the 50, maybe the just go for it on 4th down. No strategy.

The rule change is for kickoffs, not punts.
His catch-drop-kick sequence is incredibly slow  
FranknWeezer : 6/7/2023 8:57 am : link
and led to a punt being blocked last year...the one he tried to rekick, or whatever the hell he was doing. Tynes has talked about this on Twitter.
Middle of the road punter  
RicFlair : 6/7/2023 9:02 am : link
Making middle of the road money.
The only thing I like about this player is his nickname  
PatersonPlank : 6/7/2023 9:16 am : link
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I see improvement from him last year working with our coaching staff  
NYG27 : 6/7/2023 9:26 am : link
Gillan is just about to turn 26 next month. He had a solid second half of the season and tie that directly with our new coaching staff working with him.

You can't teach having a strong leg and if the Giants coaching staff continue working with him, I can see Gillan keep on improving the next two years. If he doesn't, he'll be easily replaceable next off-season.

I swear, some of you guys just like to complain for just the sake of complaining.
RE: I see improvement from him last year working with our coaching staff  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/7/2023 9:36 am : link
In comment 16129107 NYG27 said:
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Gillan is just about to turn 26 next month. He had a solid second half of the season and tie that directly with our new coaching staff working with him.

You can't teach having a strong leg and if the Giants coaching staff continue working with him, I can see Gillan keep on improving the next two years. If he doesn't, he'll be easily replaceable next off-season.

I swear, some of you guys just like to complain for just the sake of complaining.


Yup. How about we focus on having him punt less...
He made a bad first impression on us Giants fans but  
cosmicj : 6/7/2023 9:47 am : link
Take a look at his career stats. They’re good. That first half of 2022 certainly was his worst stretch as a pro.
Jamie Gillan stats for 2022  
NYG27 : 6/7/2023 9:51 am : link
He played a major role in the Giants winning that game with the Titans. He had 5 of 6 punts downed inside the 20 and Titans had bad starting field position for most of that game.

Games 2-9 were simply not good and the driving narrative a lot of BBIers remember when discussing him. In 8 games, he had 33 punts with 6 going for touchbacks and 6 being downed inside the 20.

Although in his following 6 games, he really showed improvement in games 10-15. Where he had 28 punts with only 2 going for touchbacks and more than half his punts with 15 being downed inside the 20.

Bottom line, we ALL give this coaching staff a ton of credit in developing a lot of young players on this roster. How come we can't do the same with Gillan who showed a marked improvement in the second half of the season?
RE: Jamie Gillan stats for 2022  
ColHowPepper : 6/7/2023 10:13 am : link
In comment 16129124 NYG27 said:
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...Bottom line, we ALL give this coaching staff a ton of credit in developing a lot of young players on this roster. How come we can't do the same with Gillan who showed a marked improvement in the second half of the season?
Bring back ST guru JJ? ):
RE: Middle of the road punter  
Ira : 6/7/2023 10:17 am : link
In comment 16129098 RicFlair said:
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Making middle of the road money.


This is basically true, but as Eric pointed out, he was improving during last season.
RE: if it ain't broke  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16129078 WillieYoung said:
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don't fix it

Depends how you define "ain't broke." He's still breathing and under contract, so I guess that qualifies.
Difficult to think there are not available upgrades to  
nygiantfan : 6/7/2023 11:04 am : link
bring in. Is there really that much of a risk that it would get worse? Watching line drives that land at or inside the 5-yard line and bounce into end zone are deflating.
It's broke.  
Red Dog : 6/7/2023 12:40 pm : link
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I think he’s the least of our worries......however  
Simms11 : 6/7/2023 2:26 pm : link
he’s a serviceable Punter. Apparently the Giants like his athleticism and his strong leg. He also puts a different spin on the ball, which makes it harder to catch. I think he gets this year to further prove himself or he’s gone.
It ain't broke  
WillieYoung : 6/7/2023 3:04 pm : link
His 46.8 yards per punt were a career best but still ranked 17th in the NFL, and his 26 punts inside the 20-yard line ranked 15th
RE: It ain't broke  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16129426 WillieYoung said:
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His 46.8 yards per punt were a career best but still ranked 17th in the NFL, and his 26 punts inside the 20-yard line ranked 15th

You left out net average, which is a more important stat. He ranked T-26th there (and it was a 4-way tie, so 26th is being generous).

It's broke.
RE: RE: How will the rule change affect him? Directional punting and pinning  
Ivan15 : 6/7/2023 3:23 pm : link
In comment 16129084 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 16129080 Ivan15 said:


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The opponent inside the 10 may not be a skill that is needed anymore. Once a team is inside the 50, maybe the just go for it on 4th down. No strategy.


The rule change is for kickoffs, not punts.
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Sorry! Right. Dumb comment. I didn’t get my coffee today.
He’s also an  
Dave on the UWS : 6/7/2023 4:38 pm : link
exceptional holder for Gano. Don’t think I want to mess with that either.
Feagles made it look so easy  
CTGiants : 6/7/2023 4:45 pm : link
I had to look it up..

Jeff Feagles is the New York Giants career leader in punts inside opponents 20 yard line with 178.

Personally not a fan of Gillan. too erratic if nothing else, don't know what to expect from one punt to the next
RE: Feagles made it look so easy  
Mad Mike : 6/7/2023 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16129487 CTGiants said:
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I had to look it up..

Jeff Feagles is the New York Giants career leader in punts inside opponents 20 yard line with 178.

Personally not a fan of Gillan. too erratic if nothing else, don't know what to expect from one punt to the next

And yet, Gillan's % inside the 20, both as a Giant and career, is better than Feagles'. His TB % is close too, though as a Giant it's much worse than Feagles'.
and coach him up.....  
thrunthrublue : 6/7/2023 9:49 pm : link
on a fake punt play, and use it in crunch time.....
RE: He’s also an  
HBart : 6/7/2023 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16129483 Dave on the UWS said:
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exceptional holder for Gano. Don’t think I want to mess with that either.

Good point.

He had a bad stretch and got better. He ended up OK so he did well to make up for it; he doesn't suck. He might get better. In fact he probably will.

We got 99 problems and he aint one.
RE: RE: He’s also an  
Big Blue '56 : 6/8/2023 5:39 am : link
In comment 16129657 HBart said:
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In comment 16129483 Dave on the UWS said:


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exceptional holder for Gano. Don’t think I want to mess with that either.


Good point.

He had a bad stretch and got better. He ended up OK so he did well to make up for it; he doesn't suck. He might get better. In fact he probably will.

We got 99 problems and he aint one.


Yeah. He’s got a great leg..Just needs to learn Feagles-ness
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