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Giants Now: PFF lists Daniel Jones among NFL's top deep pass

Semipro Lineman : 6/7/2023 10:48 am
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The Giants did not call for the deep ball too often in Year 1 of the new system under coach Brian Daboll and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka.

... some success when he did throw the ball downfield last season. His 119.3 passer rating on deep passes was the third-highest in the NFL, while his 43.5 deep completion percentage ranked ninth.



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It has been a common  
Semipro Lineman : 6/7/2023 10:51 am : link
theme throughout his career that the analytics love Daniel Jones ability to throw a deep pass. This article is about the 2020 season
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Ugh  
Johnny5 : 6/7/2023 11:00 am : link
That article highlights how much they were banking on Golladay. Kyle Rudolph, Golladay, and John Ross. Those FA that year are gaffes that probably sunk Judge as much as Judge sunk Judge... lol. And drafting KT was just the cherry on top.
pretty sure he's going to be  
Dr. D : 6/7/2023 11:03 am : link
showing off those skills more often this year. I can't wait to watch.
Jones  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/7/2023 11:12 am : link
Has an above average deep ball, but there’s a narrative out there that he is scared to throw it. He needs to throw it deep this season. It’s the only way the running game will flourish to its full potential.
OL hasn't been able to sustain blocks  
Since1965 : 6/7/2023 11:15 am : link
making downfield throws difficult.
I’ve seen a lot of pundits declare the deep ball is among  
gersh : 6/7/2023 11:21 am : link
DJ’s worst abilities. Forget PFF, we know he has a good deep ball.
I’m not sure what it is, but I’m drinking the Kool-aid now that he’s a top 10ish QB.
Another major point is lack of  
Joe in CT : 6/7/2023 11:21 am : link
speed at the WR position. We basically only had Slayton and at times he was doubled so made it more difficult to complete many deep passes. Now with Slay, Campbell, Waller, Hyatt it's going to be very difficult to double anyone and obviously increase our odds of completing more deep passes providing most stay healthy throughout the season.
Improve in the running game  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/7/2023 11:33 am : link
against the better fronts and I think we will see plenty of downfield strikes with the added talent but the OL has to take a big step with a lot of good defenses on the schedule.

Once you make a defense have to defend both the run/pass things really open up and they have the QB to hit those plays imv.

This passes the eye test. It has seemed to be the area  
Heisenberg : 6/7/2023 11:37 am : link
that was most ready coming out of college for him.
Remember when Daboll didn’t trust Jones to throw?  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2023 11:51 am : link
Lol, those posts were the best. I think he pretty clearly can throw it, but the WR corps to start the season was dire. The one thing he will never have is a cannon but his arm is good enough.
RE: Jones  
pennylane : 6/7/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16129208 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Has an above average deep ball, but there’s a narrative out there that he is scared to throw it. He needs to throw it deep this season. It’s the only way the running game will flourish to its full potential.
Maybe the 2 inch separation of his P/S receivers had something to do with it?
...  
ryanmkeane : 6/7/2023 2:44 pm : link
i remember the good ol days where posters would say Jones needs a better OL and receivers who could get open, and the response was "no excuses, he just isn't good."

Good times.
RE: RE: Jones  
BillT : 6/7/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16129326 pennylane said:
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In comment 16129208 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Has an above average deep ball, but there’s a narrative out there that he is scared to throw it. He needs to throw it deep this season. It’s the only way the running game will flourish to its full potential.

Maybe the 2 inch separation of his P/S receivers had something to do with it?

Or the milliseconds he had to throw before he was hit.
RE: Jones  
joeinpa : 6/7/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16129208 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Has an above average deep ball, but there’s a narrative out there that he is scared to throw it. He needs to throw it deep this season. It’s the only way the running game will flourish to its full potential.


There’s been a lot of narratives about Jones since he s been drafted.
Yet another reputable site debunks the DJ hater….  
Punklicker : 6/7/2023 3:11 pm : link
….narrative.

I almost miss the hard core haters. Almost, but not.
RE: Yet another reputable site debunks the DJ hater….  
joeinpa : 6/7/2023 4:06 pm : link
In comment 16129434 Punklicker said:
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….narrative.

I almost miss the hard core haters. Almost, but not.


So many mocked where he was drafted, and find it almost impossible to back track a bit and admit, he s not that bad, he s actually pretty good.

It would explain why his success last season is dismissed with one stat, 15 touchdown passes.

Of course that ignores the 7 he ran for, or the fact that Saquon was a pretty effective weapon in the red zone, which reduced the number of throws into the end zone in scoring position

It also doesn’t take into account there were no receivers who would take a 10 yard slant, or a swing pass 65 yards to the end zone after the catch

I keep reading if Jones can up his game. His game was pretty special last season. If he plays at the same level with better weapons, Giants offense takes a giant leap.

Oh almost forgot, “what about the Eagle game”

Same thing happened to Daniel that happened to Mahomes a few years back when his O line was overwhelmed in the Super Bowl

Daniel is a very good football player, just like Simms was
RE: Yet another reputable site debunks the DJ hater….  
joeinpa : 6/7/2023 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16129434 Punklicker said:
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….narrative.

I almost miss the hard core haters. Almost, but not.


So many mocked where he was drafted, and find it almost impossible to back track a bit and admit, he s not that bad, he s actually pretty good.

It would explain why his success last season is dismissed with one stat, 15 touchdown passes.

Of course that ignores the 7 he ran for, or the fact that Saquon was a pretty effective weapon in the red zone, which reduced the number of throws into the end zone in scoring position

It also doesn’t take into account there were no receivers who would take a 10 yard slant, or a swing pass 65 yards to the end zone after the catch

I keep reading if Jones can up his game. His game was pretty special last season. If he plays at the same level with better weapons, Giants offense takes a giant leap.

Oh almost forgot, “what about the Eagle game”

Same thing happened to Daniel that happened to Mahomes a few years back when his O line was overwhelmed in the Super Bowl

Daniel is a very good football player, just like Simms was
RE: RE: Yet another reputable site debunks the DJ hater….  
joeinpa : 6/7/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16129471 joeinpa said:
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In comment 16129434 Punklicker said:


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….narrative.

I almost miss the hard core haters. Almost, but not.



So many mocked where he was drafted, and find it almost impossible to back track a bit and admit, he s not that bad, he s actually pretty good.

It would explain why his success last season is dismissed with one stat, 15 touchdown passes.

Of course that ignores the 7 he ran for, or the fact that Saquon was a pretty effective weapon in the red zone, which reduced the number of throws into the end zone in scoring position

It also doesn’t take into account there were no receivers who would take a 10 yard slant, or a swing pass 65 yards to the end zone after the catch

I keep reading if Jones can up his game. His game was pretty special last season. If he plays at the same level with better weapons, Giants offense takes a giant leap.

Oh almost forgot, “what about the Eagle game”

Same thing happened to Daniel that happened to Mahomes a few years back when his O line was overwhelmed in the Super Bowl

Daniel is a very good football player, just like Simms was


Sorry for double post
Shurmer let him throw it deep his 1st year  
Mattman : 6/7/2023 7:35 pm : link
Mr take a knee beat into his head not to turn the ball over but dabs started to recondition him to throw it if you see it. Obviously with the wr corp he didn’t see it too much which is why they tried to upgrade wr speed.

Football is the ultimate team sport. You need a qb that can read it and make the throws, tackles to stop the edge rush, iol to protect the pocket for the qb to step up, wrs to stretch the field vertically and take the top off a defense and a coach with balls to be aggressive. A good run game also helps keep the defense honest.

We will have growing pains with the rt still improving, a rookie c, one speedster still being a rookie but the pieces are starting to line up
RE: ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2023 10:31 pm : link
In comment 16129410 ryanmkeane said:
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i remember the good ol days where posters would say Jones needs a better OL and receivers who could get open, and the response was "no excuses, he just isn't good."

Good times.

I remember those same posters having significantly higher contract projections than you did for DJ.

You're not bright enough to earn any victory laps.
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