DeAndre Hopkins Next Team
Tennessee Titans
2/1
Cleveland Browns
3/1
Buffalo Bills
5/1
Kansas City Chiefs
6/1
Dallas Cowboys
7/1
Baltimore Ravens
9/1
New England Patriots
9/1
New York Giants
12/1
Carolina Panthers
16/1
New York Jets
16/1
Detroit Lions
18/1
Chicago Bears
20/1
Los Angeles Chargers
25/1
Philadelphia Eagles
25/1
Green Bay Packers
33/1
Jacksonville Jaguars
33/1
Las Vegas Raiders
33/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
33/1
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Chase Young Next Team (If Not Commanders)
Detroit Lions
4/1
Seattle Seahawks
5/1
Chicago Bears
6/1
New York Giants
6/1
Houston Texans
7/1
New Orleans Saints
7/1
Arizona Cardinals
8/1
Pittsburgh Steelers
8/1
San Franciso 49ers
8/1
Dallas Cowboys
9/1
Indianapolis Colts
9/1
Carolina Panthers
10/1
Kansas City Chiefs
12/1
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
For the biased:
Thibs missed start of season with a knee injury and key parts of his DL were banged up or out (Ojulari) for stretches. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.
By the way, can someone please tell me why Saquon only got 10 mill and Chase got 17 for 5th year options seeing as how they were drafted at the same spot? You cant honestly tell me that 2 years equals 7 million more for the option....
I assume the salaries of other players at your position are factored in the option.
haha you read my mind. He sure is busy around here....
Not just the maroon and yellow, but the continued shots on Giants players that he would prop up if they were in Washington and elsewhere.
Otherwise, I'd have expected some discussion about KT having the highest pressure rate, over 10%, among the top 3 DE's in the draft. Young has never broke that mark, even in a rookie year that is being made out to seem like he was Superman.
Ironic that bw would do that and then crack that KT is being confused with LT. The good thing for the board is that as the Giants continue to win, you'll see less of the Commander fan.
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Chase Young was defensive rookie of the year.
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
For the biased:
Thibs missed start of season with a knee injury and key parts of his DL were banged up or out (Ojulari) for stretches. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Exactly. He missed the first 4 games(?) and THEN at that point took several more games to have his “preseason” conditioning kick in
Who is THIS guy?
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Dupes cannot resist the urge to out themselves - it never fails.
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Chase Young has 1.5 sacks in 12 games. He has 5 quarterback hits in those 12 games and 18 solo tackles
You know he suffered a catastrophic knee injury, correct?
He was terrible in 2021 before the knee injury. Played the majority of the snaps too, just didn’t standout at all. He was a body on the field and that defense regressed heavily. Was he playing inured? Maybe. Did teams figure him out? Maybe.
Like I posted above, that he suffered an exceedingly rare injury where his ACL and patellar tendon tore at the same time, indicated he was injured before. That's the information I read at the time.
Do you remember any reporting teams were playing him differently and figured him out?
It’s plausible for sure but in my uneducated medical opinion, many of these knee tears were already partial tears that finally gave away so I’m not sure how unique this case is, certainly nothing definitive. We see players regress all the time year 2 so I’m not willing to rule that out.
But my main point in all of this isn’t even to shit on Young’s production, rather, it’s to express why calling him a player with more upside/higher ceiling than KT is bogus. That wasn’t your claim, but that’s been my position in this thread.
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Chase Young was defensive rookie of the year.
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
For the biased:
Thibs missed start of season with a knee injury and key parts of his DL were banged up or out (Ojulari) for stretches. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Re-read the thread. Someone suggested KT had this great rookie year compared to CY's rookie year. Which isn't true if anybody pays any attention to the rest of the league, and why I brought up to dispute the asinine assertion.
And that's always been an Achilles Heel of BBI because most of the board is clueless about the rest of the league.
Wink said Thibs is the "can opener" and that he does a lot of things that don't show up in stats but significantly help others get free. I am expecting a very big year from him and with the hopefully improved run D more opportunities to get the QB.
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Chase Young was defensive rookie of the year.
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
For the biased:
Thibs missed start of season with a knee injury and key parts of his DL were banged up or out (Ojulari) for stretches. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Re-read the thread. Someone suggested KT had this great rookie year compared to CY's rookie year. Which isn't true if anybody pays any attention to the rest of the league, and why I brought up to dispute the asinine assertion.
And that's always been an Achilles Heel of BBI because most of the board is clueless about the rest of the league.
Lol, nobody said that!
#agenda
Let me apologize for my ridiculous assertion that CY, if healthy, is still immensely talented. And could be worth a roll of the dice if the price is right...
Outrageous.
Wink said Thibs is the "can opener" and that he does a lot of things that don't show up in stats but significantly help others get free. I am expecting a very big year from him and with the hopefully improved run D more opportunities to get the QB.
Thanks Lines. Somebody else mentioned this, but I had never seen a D player get heald as blatantly nor as often as KT was. Some of it was laughably bad where he was headl9cked and dragged down.
(admittedly like 90% of bbi I wanted us to lose out to ensure we drafted Young)
Ditto for Campbell. Glad we have him but he’s not coming out of college anymore and his potential isn’t nearly as great as it once was. These are all things you’d agree with if it was a player there Giants drafted.
Lol, nobody said that!
#agenda
Let's review. Who said this above:
Yes, turning down a 5th year option, especially when it might represent a bargain at an extremely expensive position, is always an indicator that the team believes that player is not elite.
Good thing the Giants have never done anything like that.
I mentioned this above, too. That is the potential big red flag because Washington has the most information. And they are led by a head coach who specializes in defense.
It's very complicated. It could be Washington thinks CY is just done physically. And they don't want to wait any longer. Or it could be they just don't like he's the right fit as a personality and feel it's time to cut bait. There has been talk CY may not be a team first personality who is all in.
The amount of $$$ they have invested in their DL and Montez Sweat, who has been the superior player, is set to be a UFA next year. They can't resign him and are looking to recoup value. The tag may even be prohibitive with the money invested there.
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Lol, nobody said that!
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Let's review. Who said this above:
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...Thibs has shown more than Chase has ever shown at the NFL level in one year...
Youre putting words in my mouth. I never referred to Thib's year as great. It started slow, but picked up steam at about the midway point. I said KT showed a lot more in terms of thongs he did for his defense and CY benefitted much more from having the linemates that he did. Sure 7.5 sacks is a nice rookie year. How often did you see him dropping into coverage? He wasn't making hustle plays that KT did. Then the next year, in 12 games, he sucked ass before getting hurt.
YOU on the other hand made this ridiculous claim:
bw in dc : 6/8/2023 3:54 pm : link : reply
but if Young is healthy, he's got more tools and upside than Thibodeaux
We have already established that KT can actually play a little coverage, and even if "healthy", nobody comes back 100% from the injury that Young had. As far as their college days, KT was forecasted as potentially the number 1 pick for 2 years. Young, didnt get that hype until middway through the '19 season.
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you act like you are the only one that watches or pays attention to things outside of the Giants. 1 poster isn’t BBI and you’ve made some ridiculous claims here as well including this very thread.
Let me apologize for my ridiculous assertion that CY, if healthy, is still immensely talented. And could be worth a roll of the dice if the price is right...
Outrageous.
And if my aunt had...well you know
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Young had a nice first year but sometimes you have to look deeper into stats. He may be damaged goods or WFT doesn't see him as a elite player.
Yes, turning down a 5th year option, especially when it might represent a bargain at an extremely expensive position, is always an indicator that the team believes that player is not elite.
Good thing the Giants have never done anything like that.
Who said always? Perhaps another dumb moment from you.
But this was his next sentiment:
A team would have to compel the Commanders to trade Young, they aren't dumping him.
Young is 1.5 seasons removed from his injury, which was the projected timeline for the recovery. He's on a very reasonable deal that pays him 5.3M in new money this year. He's not getting dumped.
So the question is would the Giants trade presumably a meaningful amount and take on 5.3M for Young?
But this was his next sentiment:
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Teams coming out of the spring thinking they need more help may make trade calls on Young (it seems unlikely the Washington brass would move him ahead of a must-win year, but I know they’d be open to listening).
A team would have to compel the Commanders to trade Young, they aren't dumping him.
Young is 1.5 seasons removed from his injury, which was the projected timeline for the recovery. He's on a very reasonable deal that pays him 5.3M in new money this year. He's not getting dumped.
So the question is would the Giants trade presumably a meaningful amount and take on 5.3M for Young?
Your entire post is spot on. It's exactly right.The only thing that's off is that the Skins would trade him for a reasonable deal within the division. NFW. If, as you said, 1.5 years is what he needed to get fully back and he records 8 sacks and 4 forced fumbles again, that org will be eviscerated by their fans.
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Young had a nice first year but sometimes you have to look deeper into stats. He may be damaged goods or WFT doesn't see him as a elite player.
Yes, turning down a 5th year option, especially when it might represent a bargain at an extremely expensive position, is always an indicator that the team believes that player is not elite.
Good thing the Giants have never done anything like that.
GD, while at first I thought you were being sarcastic and condescending wiith your post, it actually makes total sense given what the Giants did with Jones. Jones didnt have the catastrophic knee injury, but a good rookie year followed by 2 more years of being dealt bad cards with coaching, OL and Saquon being out. The Giants declined the 5th year ootion and demanded he show them why he should be their starting QB. Which obv he did.
Chase had very good production his rookie year, then fell off for most of his 2nd year, had the terrible injury, is due 17 million on the 5th and as someone pointed out, they just handed out big contracts to Payne aand Allen. Sweat is set to be a FA and they cant pay 17 million to CY and make an offer to Sweat. But if he produces his rookie year numbers, maybe that is something to re-visit.
YOU on the other hand made this ridiculous claim:
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This is a big if...
bw in dc : 6/8/2023 3:54 pm : link : reply
but if Young is healthy, he's got more tools and upside than Thibodeaux
We have already established that KT can actually play a little coverage, and even if "healthy", nobody comes back 100% from the injury that Young had. As far as their college days, KT was forecasted as potentially the number 1 pick for 2 years. Young, didnt get that hype until middway through the '19 season.
Do you want to review what Sy thought about Young coming into the NFL? How about Jeremiah?
For example, Sy gave KT an 83 grade. Which translates to a player who should be able to play and contribute right away.
Young? Sy gave him a 91. Which translate to an All-Pro caliber player.
That's a pretty distinct difference.
I'm not on an island here. Many football people viewed Young as a player who had/has elite talent.
And I'm not suggesting, btw, that KT can't be great. I'm still bullish on Young's talent and think he'd be worth the stretch if the right deal could be had...
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YOU on the other hand made this ridiculous claim:
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This is a big if...
bw in dc : 6/8/2023 3:54 pm : link : reply
but if Young is healthy, he's got more tools and upside than Thibodeaux
We have already established that KT can actually play a little coverage, and even if "healthy", nobody comes back 100% from the injury that Young had. As far as their college days, KT was forecasted as potentially the number 1 pick for 2 years. Young, didnt get that hype until middway through the '19 season.
Do you want to review what Sy thought about Young coming into the NFL? How about Jeremiah?
For example, Sy gave KT an 83 grade. Which translates to a player who should be able to play and contribute right away.
Young? Sy gave him a 91. Which translate to an All-Pro caliber player.
That's a pretty distinct difference.
I'm not on an island here. Many football people viewed Young as a player who had/has elite talent.
And I'm not suggesting, btw, that KT can't be great. I'm still bullish on Young's talent and think he'd be worth the stretch if the right deal could be had...
You are all over the place with your responses. I think I am done responding to you.
Sy's rating system coming out is like when a mechanic does a diagnostic and gives you....an estimate. Sometimes the fix turns out to be significantly bigger than it is. In this case, KT out-performed that rating. There were quite a few who said that "there is something about KT that is....off.'It was speculated that it was his personality and his committment to football. So far, all of that seems overblown.
As you said, if that talent in Chase is there, why wouldn't you pick up the option? Yes, 17 million is a lot, but if he has all this talent still, 17 million for a player that is as good as you say he is at the position he plays is a bargain.
Alkost everybody said they would take a flier on Young, including myself, but its a moot point because he needs to show he is healthy first and the Skins arent letting him go.
Im done going back and forth with you. It seems clear that you are either just trying to start shit on a Giants board or you don't actually like the team and are trolling. But in my brief time here, I have only read you criticize Giants players and never laud one.
Enjoy your day and your weekend.
1) Do you believe Thibs was a better prospect coming out of college than Young?
2) Do you believe anything in their rookie years showed Thibs had more upside than Young?
3) Do you believe his injury precludes Young from picking up from where he was as a rookie?
I think Young was a much better prospect, but only had a marginally better rookie year.
I think this year will show if Young is recovered sufficiently. If he's back to pre-injury health I would expect Young to have a marginally better season than Thibs this year.
2) yes, I think Thibs took a game completely over for us against a division rival and had the best single game of the two.
3) of course. It’s not something I’d guarantee, but the odds are stacked against Young every becoming an all pro and that’s what he was being billed as coming into the league.
So it seems like you believe Thibs is was, and always was the better player.
Makes sense you don't think Young has more future upside, because you never thought he ever had more.
1) Do you believe Thibs was a better prospect coming out of college than Young?
2) Do you believe anything in their rookie years showed Thibs had more upside than Young?
3) Do you believe his injury precludes Young from picking up from where he was as a rookie?
I think Young was a much better prospect, but only had a marginally better rookie year.
I think this year will show if Young is recovered sufficiently. If he's back to pre-injury health I would expect Young to have a marginally better season than Thibs this year.
Young as a DE for a 4-3 base was definitely aore valued prospect coming out. But even despite the injury, he played 9 games at that position and amassed a sack and a half and 3 TFL before the injury. KT was beginning to explode after he got his legs under him last year during the season.
So it seems like you believe Thibs is was, and always was the better player.
Makes sense you don't think Young has more future upside, because you never thought he ever had more.
Sorry, 1 was for Young being the better prospect, I misread. I don’t think he has more upside now because of what I’ve seen to date, and also factoring in the injuries and general comments about his drive.
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UConn, that's fair. I'm surprised you thought Thibs was a better prospect, you're probably in the minority on that one.
So it seems like you believe Thibs is was, and always was the better player.
Makes sense you don't think Young has more future upside, because you never thought he ever had more.
Sorry, 1 was for Young being the better prospect, I misread. I don’t think he has more upside now because of what I’ve seen to date, and also factoring in the injuries and general comments about his drive.
Gotcha. For me it's 100% health. If he's back to the guy he was in 2020, I think he's everything he was billed as coming out of college.
I read a snippet this morning from 2020 where Rivera was talking about how much Young was double teamed, and was still producing.
If you drop the 2020 version of Young onto that line now, I don't think he's the guy draws the double team, and I bet he goes bananas.
So it seems like you believe Thibs is was, and always was the better player.
Makes sense you don't think Young has more future upside, because you never thought he ever had more.
I too always thought Thibs was the better player. But Young was a physical specimen.
Thibodeaux just seemed to grow into the game better as the year went on last year. In my opinion, he completely dispelled the notion of his lack of passion for the game. He was an animal at times last year.
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The last cogent post you made was about Larry Centers..:)
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YOU on the other hand made this ridiculous claim:
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This is a big if...
bw in dc : 6/8/2023 3:54 pm : link : reply
but if Young is healthy, he's got more tools and upside than Thibodeaux
We have already established that KT can actually play a little coverage, and even if "healthy", nobody comes back 100% from the injury that Young had. As far as their college days, KT was forecasted as potentially the number 1 pick for 2 years. Young, didnt get that hype until middway through the '19 season.
Do you want to review what Sy thought about Young coming into the NFL? How about Jeremiah?
For example, Sy gave KT an 83 grade. Which translates to a player who should be able to play and contribute right away.
Young? Sy gave him a 91. Which translate to an All-Pro caliber player.
That's a pretty distinct difference.
I'm not on an island here. Many football people viewed Young as a player who had/has elite talent.
And I'm not suggesting, btw, that KT can't be great. I'm still bullish on Young's talent and think he'd be worth the stretch if the right deal could be had...
You are all over the place with your responses. I think I am done responding to you.
Sy's rating system coming out is like when a mechanic does a diagnostic and gives you....an estimate. Sometimes the fix turns out to be significantly bigger than it is. In this case, KT out-performed that rating. There were quite a few who said that "there is something about KT that is....off.'It was speculated that it was his personality and his committment to football. So far, all of that seems overblown.
As you said, if that talent in Chase is there, why wouldn't you pick up the option? Yes, 17 million is a lot, but if he has all this talent still, 17 million for a player that is as good as you say he is at the position he plays is a bargain.
Alkost everybody said they would take a flier on Young, including myself, but its a moot point because he needs to show he is healthy first and the Skins arent letting him go.
Im done going back and forth with you. It seems clear that you are either just trying to start shit on a Giants board or you don't actually like the team and are trolling. But in my brief time here, I have only read you criticize Giants players and never laud one.
Enjoy your day and your weekend.
I wouldn't say KT outperformed his rating.
Not one GM is trading Young for KT right now. Young came into the NFL a fantastic prospect. No one can argue that. We can split hairs about whether he was elite or great but he was a big time prospect.
Now he's damaged goods. And he's never been a dominant force no matter how you view his rookie season. I'd kick the tires, but so what.