DeAndre Hopkins Next Team
Tennessee Titans
2/1
Cleveland Browns
3/1
Buffalo Bills
5/1
Kansas City Chiefs
6/1
Dallas Cowboys
7/1
Baltimore Ravens
9/1
New England Patriots
9/1
New York Giants
12/1
Carolina Panthers
16/1
New York Jets
16/1
Detroit Lions
18/1
Chicago Bears
20/1
Los Angeles Chargers
25/1
Philadelphia Eagles
25/1
Green Bay Packers
33/1
Jacksonville Jaguars
33/1
Las Vegas Raiders
33/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
33/1
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Chase Young Next Team (If Not Commanders)
Detroit Lions
4/1
Seattle Seahawks
5/1
Chicago Bears
6/1
New York Giants
6/1
Houston Texans
7/1
New Orleans Saints
7/1
Arizona Cardinals
8/1
Pittsburgh Steelers
8/1
San Franciso 49ers
8/1
Dallas Cowboys
9/1
Indianapolis Colts
9/1
Carolina Panthers
10/1
Kansas City Chiefs
12/1
Would definitely take him on a 1 year prove it deal.
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would be pretty funny if Chase Young ended up here after all.
Would definitely take him on a 1 year prove it deal.
I would too. What is there to lose?
Something tells me there is something else to his story. Heart, work ethic, coachability....you don't just jettison a player with his athletic traits and college production unless he is a real shit.
We all should. Not everyone can be an all pro. Would be interesting to see him with Wink.
But but but the Giants should have intentionally lost a game, drafted Young, missed out on a franchise left tackle, and been the team to decline his option.
It seems like we are in "buyer beware" territory here, however, if Washington/Rivera have essentially lost interest...
It seems like we are in "buyer beware" territory here, however, if Washington/Rivera have essentially lost interest...
Says who?
What about Barkley?
What the odds for his next team?
In other words, if Chase Young has a great season, can they franchise him?
In other words, if Chase Young has a great season, can they franchise him?
Did you miss the billion threads about Daniel Jones this off season?
He stood out as a player on an Ohio State defense that is almost always top 5 in the country in terms of personnel.
But the guy who said he has more tools than Thibs on this thread....WHAT? Thibs has shown more than Chase has ever shown at the NFL level in one year and Chase was on a line with Montez Sweat, Daron Payne and Jonathan Allen. Thins played OLB on a line with a Dex, a bamged up Leonard Williams and a part time Azeez.
Im not sure what is going on here.
Patching matters. Over and over again we see it and it’s just ignored til there’s shitty coaching.
If something like $5M(?) would get it done, I'd love to bring Young in. Would add a huge upside to our line, and either we could keep him or get a comp pick if it worked out well.
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
How truly would that make a difference on Chase since he was playing for his favorite team growing up? I guess what I mean even though Patterson is a great D-Line Coach (thank you Sexy Dexy for learning from him), wouldn't it have been more of an incentive to make it on your favorite team and play 'light's out" as you were "supposed to have been" by both college career and draft position? I don't understand it with him. No light bulb.
Weird post. Do you think people are wrong for saying he hasn't played well overall?
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
Compare Young's rookie year stats to Ojulari's. Ojulari was better in practically every measure. Yet no one talked about Ojulari being DROY.
Young got it on name recognition. Most of his stats came in the a few games at the end of the season against garbage teams.
It seems like we are in "buyer beware" territory here, however, if Washington/Rivera have essentially lost interest...
Chase Young 2020 draft prospect vs Thibodeaux 2022 draft prospect? Sure.
Right now? No way.
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As would be seeing the 180 here about on his level of play
Weird post. Do you think people are wrong for saying he hasn't played well overall?
I'm not sure if he's been hurt, but he was playing for his favorite team growing up and was ecstatic to have been drafted by them. Shouldn't that have been enough to create a better player due to both college performance and draft status?
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
You are going out of your way to prop up an opposing player who’s been hurt for the better part of two years, when you always bring up injuries to Giants players and why that hurts their value. Young’s upside isn’t what it was when he entered the league, plain and simple.
It seems like we are in "buyer beware" territory here, however, if Washington/Rivera have essentially lost interest...
Um he wasn’t exactly lighting it up before he got hurt and he was on a damned good dline
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
You seem to be that person who likes to start an argument with nothing.
KT was injured for much of camp and to start the season. Young was not.
The argument that KT played with justas good a supporting case is simply absurd. Dex was an all pro last yeDE., but williams and KT did not play together for 6 games. So youre comparing a full season with Sweat, Allen and Payne to a full season of Dex and 3/4 of a season with LW (whom many sources said was nursing an injury for most of the year)?
The number s are quite close and KT was playing OLB and dropping into coverage quite often. Chase had his hand in the dirt and reaped the rewards of having two top 5 draft picks playing next to him.
Talk about apples to pomegranates....
Even if I were to agree with you, Chase has been shit since then and his team didnt even pick up his 5th year option which would be a bargain for a talented DE
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but if Young is healthy, he's got more tools and upside than Thibodeaux.
It seems like we are in "buyer beware" territory here, however, if Washington/Rivera have essentially lost interest...
Chase Young 2020 draft prospect vs Thibodeaux 2022 draft prospect? Sure.
Right now? No way.
Even if this were a valid argument to be made, they play different positions and had diff strengths.
CY- prototype 4-3 DE/EDGE who won on athleticsm, strength and speed
KT- mainstay OLB/EDGE with great hands, first step, quickness and the ability to cover the flat.
It's like comparing Earl Thomas and Eric Berry out of college....they had 2 very different skill sets. For our current roster, if both were available in the draft, I take Kayvon 100%.
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Chase Young was defensive rookie of the year.
Young had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. KT had 4. Young forced 4 fumbles. KT 2.
Further, KT was playing with two very good DLs in LW and DL last year. So, please spare me the "Young was playing with more talent" nonsense...
Look, Young has been hit with injuries and is now a huge question mark going forward. But let's not act like the guy has done nothing when healthy.
You are going out of your way to prop up an opposing player who’s been hurt for the better part of two years, when you always bring up injuries to Giants players and why that hurts their value. Young’s upside isn’t what it was when he entered the league, plain and simple.
I'm not. Read my prior posts. Young is a major risk.
But he's an interesting idea IF HEALTHY...
KT: 10 QB knockdowns, 18 pressures, no missed tackles
CY: 6 QB knockdowns, 24 pressures, 3 missed tackles
Kayvon also missed time and played hurt when he returned.
KT: 10 QB knockdowns, 18 pressures, no missed tackles
CY: 6 QB knockdowns, 24 pressures, 3 missed tackles
Kayvon also missed time and played hurt when he returned.
I guess Chase Young's rookie year was as good or better than Dexter Lawrence's 2022 when he made 2nd team all pro because they both had 7.5 sacks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And I’d be interested in adding him but his upside is not what it was entering the league, he’s several years and injuries past having that label.
Not enough talk on motor when it comes to ER's. Plenty of these guys are athletic but the ones with an elite motor really set themselves apart. Not necessarily taking plays off but more so who can empty the tank over and over again.
Not enough talk on motor when it comes to ER's. Plenty of these guys are athletic but the ones with an elite motor really set themselves apart. Not necessarily taking plays off but more so who can empty the tank over and over again.
This is a great point and you saw that motor from KT. The end of the Ravens game when he made the headsy play to knock Lamar from the ball. The sack fumble TD against the Skins. There was at least two plays where he was chasing and made tackles downfield.
Chase Young was a physical specimen. Thibodeaux most certainly had far more drive and attitude coming out of college.
Also, comparing them at this point their draft year might be less relevant than comparing them as High School recruits.
Young wasnt a generational prospect and at the time, scoffed at that notion. Julius Peppers, Myles Garret, Mario WilliamsAYBE Courtney Brown and Travon Walker were generational talents at DE coming out of college. Young wasn't there. Hell, both Bosas were better than him and have more of an argument but I wouldnt put them in the category.
Similarly, LT, Von Miller DeMarcus Ware, Khalil Mack and LaVar Arrington were generational talents at OLB. I don't think KT is there either.
4 batted passes, 4 forced fumbles, 10 tackles for loss, 24 pressures including 7.5 sacks on 770 snaps.
He was PFF's highest rated rookie and a PFR approximate value of 14 (which is higher than Lawrence last you for what it's worth).
It's beyond silly to not acknowledge how good of a rookie year he had.
But that's deep in the past now. As BW said, if Rivera is open to trading him. That's a massive red flag.
To the question of what's the risk? Washington has very little incentive in cutting him. The 5.3M new money he'll earn this year is guaranteed. If they cut him, they'll get a small amount back as an offset when he signs elsewhere.
They would much more likely trade him. So what's the risk: 5.3M dollars and whatever Washington requires in trade compensation.
He was highly touted, but not like the guys I mentioned.All those guys were athletic freaks at close to 300 lbs and they absolutely dominated in college. Chase was definitely a very good prospect and he had both physicality and production. But at 265, he just wasn't those guys No way was he a better prospect than Nick Bosa or JJ Watt. I couldnt believe Watt fell to 11 but when you look at some of the careers of the players picked in front of him, its more understandable.
4 batted passes, 4 forced fumbles, 10 tackles for loss, 24 pressures including 7.5 sacks on 770 snaps.
He was PFF's highest rated rookie and a PFR approximate value of 14 (which is higher than Lawrence last you for what it's worth).
It's beyond silly to not acknowledge how good of a rookie year he had.
But that's deep in the past now. As BW said, if Rivera is open to trading him. That's a massive red flag.
To the question of what's the risk? Washington has very little incentive in cutting him. The 5.3M new money he'll earn this year is guaranteed. If they cut him, they'll get a small amount back as an offset when he signs elsewhere.
They would much more likely trade him. So what's the risk: 5.3M dollars and whatever Washington requires in trade compensation.
His rookie year was very good. But again, he was playing next to arguable the best DL teammates in the league. Not by a little. 4 1st round picks including 2 DTs who are still absolute mad men in this league.
How did Chatd Bratzke look when he left Hamilton and Strahan to go play in Indy? How did Kenny Holmes look when he came here and didnt have Jevon Kearse and the rest of that incredible defense behind him?
It makes a difference. Comparing Dex' dominance at his position last year to Young's rookie year numbers is just silly. Dec was FAR more disruptive than Young was for the Redskins. He basically compiled numbers next to 3 other studs.
Haha, Id agree with that. You give a talented DE like that all the time he needs until he needs contract #2.
Compare Young's rookie year stats to Ojulari's. Ojulari was better in practically every measure. Yet no one talked about Ojulari being DROY.
Young got it on name recognition. Most of his stats came in the a few games at the end of the season against garbage teams.
Playing DE in the NFL as a rookie is very hard. And you know how hard it is to get sacks. Further, Young basically had four sacks in the first half of the year and four the second half. So, I'm not buying that he got his production late in the year.
My main point is that Young is an interesting idea if he ever gets back to 100%. I mean, there is a reason why guys like Sy and Jeremiah had him rated so highly as a near "can't-miss- prospect."
And I’d be interested in adding him but his upside is not what it was entering the league, he’s several years and injuries past having that label.
If Young is healthy - again, big IF - I stand by the point that I think he has more tools and upside than a KT. Which is why I would be interested in adding him if the cost to acquire made sense. It's very hard to find players that are as talented as Young to rush the passer.
I think Campbell still has the same upside he had when he entered the league in 2019. Does that bother you, too?
When you play 3 or 4 years and never come close to hitting your ceiling, the likelihood that it’ll not suddenly happen is slim even if healthy. And in Campbell’s case his ceiling isn’t as high as Hyatts.
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you said he has more tools and upside. The former is debatable and the later is simply false given what Young has done to date + his health issues.
And I’d be interested in adding him but his upside is not what it was entering the league, he’s several years and injuries past having that label.
If Young is healthy - again, big IF - I stand by the point that I think he has more tools and upside than a KT. Which is why I would be interested in adding him if the cost to acquire made sense. It's very hard to find players that are as talented as Young to rush the passer.
I think Campbell still has the same upside he had when he entered the league in 2019. Does that bother you, too?
😆😆😆😆😆 Thats definitely going out on a limb....and completely ridiculous. KT and Campbell are both trending UPWARDS. Meanwhile, Washington sees so much upside in Young that they don't even want to exercise his 5th year option. Which, while a bit pricey, tells you all you all you need to know about what they think about the player they saw at work every single day.
Im starting to feel you are just posing as a fan of the Giants because you seem to hate 9n every single player on the Giants that deserves credit, yet you laud cast-offs or lost causes on other teams for things they werent able to do.
It just might not make sense to take your arguments seriously, and thats fine. But they are utterly ridiculous.. I said I would be in favor of taking a flyer on Young (not that Wash would ever trade him to us), but this idea that 3 years removed from being the 2nd overall pick, to say his upside is the same is just crazy. Barkley has produced far more and been a much bigger disruptor, had the same injury, we gave him his 5th year, offered him an overpay and he is a lowly running back. Whats the difference? Barkley has shown much more game breaking ability at this level than Young has and Young plays an absolutely premium position.
This is just nuts. Ok, Young still has more upside than KT. Got it.
At the time, it was widely acknowledged it would be more than a calendar year recovery, might keep him completely out for 2022.
Washington can't bet 17.5M on him, that make sense. But his timeframe on recovery always had 2022 in question.
Put it this way: of Young replicates his rookie year, he's making 17.5M in 2024 from somebody.