is part of said trade, there has to be more to it, either Randle or Robinson has to be moved. The other issue is neither Beal or KP stay healthy for 5 minutes.
I don't want to include IQ in a deal for Porzingis
although as a FA im not giving up IQ to get him. I get that we cant sign him outright, but giving up IQ is too much. Id be fine with Obi and filler (fournier) for KP.
I was always a huge Beal fan, but the ship has sailed. With that contract id not even want him as a strict salary dump. He is too injury prone and about to turn 30 (not old, but when u cant stay healthy in your 20's its not going to get any better in your 30's).
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
The dude was always down low because Thibs wants his bigs rebounding.
This is just one of those nonsense fan rumor accounts
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
because Randle can shoot from the outside. Someone has to box out.
Can we at least partially believe that if Thibs signs off on a trade or acquisition he's going to probably know how to use said player?
Only one guy has come in here and not played a lot of minutes- Fournier. It's possible that Thibs even acknowledged or communicated to Rose and Co that Fournier might not be what the doctor ordered here, or maybe he was all gung ho only to bury the guy, but that result is not the norm here.
If they don't trade for KP it's probably because it's not the right fit, as you alluded to.
But then I remember that the Knicks have been linked to a lot of true stretch bigs over the last 2-3 years. So I think Thibs wants a guy like KP here. Hart aint that guy even if he may have fooled us into thinking he was, prior to 23. Hart's stats - ( New Window )
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Yea, I don't remember watching Hart before he came here. I was under the belief that he was a better offensive player than advertised. I like him as a backup, but his offensive game isn't all that. Even his FT shooting scares me.
We don't have a true stretch big on the team other than Randle if you count power forward. Shit we don't have a center that can put the ball on the floor, period. Forget a 3 pt shooter...
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
Hartenstein is not/has never been a good shooter. This myth that he somehow didn't shoot well because of an injury is hilarious. He's a solid bench guy that can be productive down low. Nothing more.
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
What are you talking about? You weren't questioning whether he is good or not. You're chiming in to my post to say he isn't a good three point shooter. I never said he was. Then it is on to Thibs again and he can do no wrong. My point was that the way the Knicks used him was different than how the Clippers used him. He played further out and was great with assists from the high post. Again, nothing to do with 3s. We saw later in the year some of the sick passes he was making from the high post. Thibs had him down low and his assist percentage dropped drastically. My point was simple, Thibs wasn't using Hartenstein to his strengths. That was all. So, is it wrong to question how he would use KP? I guess it is. We are not allowed to question anything with Thibs. He knows all.
I still disagree that he didn't utilize him properly or at least disagree that it was so egregious or so concerning that this will prevent any offensive center from succeeding here. And you implied or said that.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
Did I say he ruined him? No. We are talking about spacing and having a big that can pass is a nice skillset yet was rarely used. The paint didn't need to be clogged with him down low. Every C we have has played down low. Hartenstein was supposed to give us something we haven't had with Mitch and Sims yet he was used the exact same way even though he showed the year prior he can play out further from the basket which led to his best year as a pro.
I still disagree that he didn't utilize him properly or at least disagree that it was so egregious or so concerning that this will prevent any offensive center from succeeding here. And you implied or said that.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
And why do you keep bringing up Fornier and talking about generalities? Stop making blanket statements. I made a comment that I question if KP will be used to his strength based on evidence of how Thibs uses his players and his propensity for rebounding. Having a big out at the 3 point line is not what his style is about. There is a reason he rarely plays small ball. Again, these are just facts. You have a different opinion and that is fine but please stop with the blanket statements. We are talking about one specific thing, not Fournier.
because he is virtually the only player to underachieve here under Thibs. Everyone else is building a successful NBA career, with some of them actually improving, with maybe Hart the only exception.
I was using Fournier because he's the only guy.
I guess I don't see why so many are so concerned that a guy like KP would come here and not be asked to do what he does best. I question that belief, what can I say. Call it what you will...cheerleading is fine.
For all we know HArt was being used more as a passer because the Clips needed that more than we did. We have passers here. Randle can run the offense. Brunson and IQ can run it.
I can go on and on as to why the mention of Hart's lack of so called correct usage last year is not only debatable, it's not relevant to KP. Or maybe it is and I will admit I am wrong I KP comes here and is woefully miscast, but I don't see it. That's all I am saying.
I am not even sure I want KP here. I could probably be talked into it, but what is the cost. HE was better last year, one could probably say it was KP's best season as a pro. He moved better. Maybe...
I don't know enough about Thibs in his other stops but with the Knicks we know how he wants his centers to play. One can make the argument that he has never had a player like KP. That's fine. I get it. I just know what I see in his tenure here and he used Hartenstein just like he uses Mitch and Sims and Noel and Gibson. Hartenstein isn't the same type of player that they are but was used exactly the same. If there are other examples then awesome but I don't see the issue with being skeptical with how KP would be used here. If KP was here, I can see him on the court with another C so the C can be down low. When Randle was hurt what we saw was Mitch and Hartenstein on the court on the same time. Imo, he'd rather protect the paint than go small and give up easy baskets. The way they play defense tells me that too hence why we are one of the worst three point defenses. It's not the players, it's the style. Again, every opinion I have is based on evidence of what I see. Some may disagree with what I see. I get it. But I'm not just pulling shit out of this air to be a dick.
Beal scares me but he's a legit alpha scoring guard. Hard to believe he's 29 years old already, seems like he's still a young ascending star.
So many ways the Knicks can go this off-season. There is also so much uncertainty with how teams operate with this new cap or salary structure looming. Then you have the east being pretty winnable or at least not populated by any super dominant teams. Does the Knicks brain trust feel it's approaching a now or never period? Do they think slow and steady wins the race. Do they think guys like IQ and Grimes are finished products. Even RJB...or can these guys play even better next season, especially come Spring time?
Is Grimes still an untouchable? Was he ever untouchable or was that more rumor. Do the Knicks think RJ's discovered shooting touch in the playoffs is here to stay?
I know you're not saying this shit to be a dick. I hope you know the same of me. I may come off as combative but I am anything but. I just love my Knicks and want to win. I wasn't even calling you out, really. Just talking shit.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Somethings have been consistent from year to year, wherever he has coached.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above.
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line.
He’s taken this team as far as he is going to. Rose needs to move on.
When he first came here,I remember thinking this is the stretch 3 we have been looking for.His last season in LA he had 46.7% from behind the arc.
In the pre season he was fantastic....making bounce passes to open cutters,and hitting from 3.
He got injured,and we never really saw the shooting side of him again.
Maybe this off season he can work on bring that aspect back.
In terms of KP-I am a no fucking way to that.
Fuck him and his oft injured Unicorn ass.
Beal....maybe-but not sure if he is a fit in the same backcourt with Brunson.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time. --this is an opinion, not rooted in any factual data at all. Many experts feel you're better off playing your stars big minutes to PREP them for the postseason. PS--the best ever all played HUGE minutes. I am talking about Kobe, Shaq, Jordan and Bird and Lebron. But ok whatever.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time. --this is an opinion, not rooted in any factual data at all. Many experts feel you're better off playing your stars big minutes to PREP them for the postseason. PS--the best ever all played HUGE minutes. I am talking about Kobe, Shaq, Jordan and Bird and Lebron. But ok whatever.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
No offense is all iso. But they run it at one of the highest rates in the league. They set very few screens compared to the best teams in the league. Their offense bogs down late in game in and the postseason because of this. Thibs is a shit coach. He wasted 1/4 of the season playing Fournier and Rose over superior players. In the playoffs, he played the most ineffective lineup in the most crucial minutes. He's terrible. The defensive system is from the 90s. Drop coverage is a disaster in the modern NBA. The team will never get to the top level with him as their coach.
Not sure where people got the idea that Hartenstein...
is a stretch option. Sure he shot 46% from 3.....on .4 attempts a game. He is a better 3 pt shooter then say Mitch is, haha, but he isnt anywhere near KP's level.
Porzingis is a good fit. Especially if you trade Randle. KP fits better with Brunson/RJ cause he can impact the game without the ball due to his shooting. He also of course spreads the floor out for those two to drive. Now with Randle im not sure i see the fit. And i know people are dying to dump randle, but the guy has made 2 of the last 3 all nba teams, im guessing the Knicks are not dying to move him. If we can get an all nba player return (or close to it) id be all for it cause i dont like the fit with brunson/RJ but im also not trading him for junk just to trade him.
The Knicks need to make moves this year it just gets hard next.
Also they can't resign both Toppin and Quickley with Grimes coming next it will be harder to make moves and puts them to far over the cap with the new CBA.
I am fine if you get Beal for Quickley, Toppin and salary filler. I can't see them giving too many picks, he is not worth it but they need to make decisions on these guys this year
KP is damaged good and any money is too much. He can't stay healthy and fuck him and his fucking brothers for how he played the Knicks the first time.
Let him go play in china. Katz Article on new CBA and the Knicks pay wall - ( New Window )
But I kind of trust this regime enough that if they like him they must have a good plan. He is an elite offensive big that’s for sure. I get the fear though. KAT is weird.
Hartenstein is not/has never been a good shooter. This myth that he somehow didn't shoot well because of an injury is hilarious. He's a solid bench guy that can be productive down low. Nothing more.
From that point on, teams above the second apron cannot aggregate players in trades at all, meaning they can deal only one player at a time, and salary-matching rules become as prohibitive as possible.
From my understanding of how it was described at the agent meeting was that you couldn’t stack minimum salaries to make contracts match, but didn’t limit teams to trading more than 1 player.
I could be wrong but limiting it to 1 for 1 would make next to no sense since very few player salaries match evenly.
I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Yep, Coaches that make players change to adjust to their system,rather than adjusting their coaching style to meet the player's skill set,peak at a round of playoffs at best and never go further-that's Thibs in a nutshell!Thibs has a short shelf life,has everywhere he's been. Those that continually sing his praises need to realize he has a talented roster that isn't utilized fully. I think because of all the past chaos,the calmness he brought to the Knicks is often mistaken for him being a very good HC.As a Knicks fan of 60+ years,I certainly hope I'm wrong,but I don't believe Thibs can get them where they need to be while this roster & salary cap are at a point where they can maintain multiple high price talents & the time for that is getting shorter & shorter(see NBA's new CBA)!
more successful coaches then him were kicked to the curb this off season.
When was KP's last season where he was injury free
It’s the NBA. It’s incredibly rare ANY player goes an entire season “injury free”. So asking when the last time KP did it is a bit disingenuous. KP played 9 more games than Mitch did this season and only 3 less than Brunson. He doesn’t need to be an iron man to surpass the availability of the Knicks current starting center…
I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
Towns is not my favorite player but he is 10x more talented that charles smith was
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
Again, Mitch's offensive game is predicated on the Thibs theory of offense. We constantly hear that in practice he's hitting 3's, has numerous low post moves,yet because Thibs has a concrete way his centers play,they get buried (see Hartenstein above). Sure,the defensive matchups for Mitch weren't good vs Miami, but if he was able to create offense & force a team to worry about him it would level the playing field. But, as long as Thibs is coach, it'll never happen. And,KAT won't make them better. He's marshmallow soft. The 21st century version of Charles Smith!
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
So Kats 40% from 3 wouodnt of helped against miami? is 5 assists a game wouldnt of helped against miami?
Mitch also got destoryed on the boards by miami and got torched by Bam, Mitch was a big problem..
Replacing him with a stretch 5 alleviates a big problem for this Knicks team
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
Brunson, Quickley and RJ even Grimes strength is going to the rim and/or paint pulling Mitch out of the middle and Kat pulling rim defenders away from the paint opens lanes for everyone.
The Knicks play an antiquated brand of basketball currently with Mitch on the floor. While defensively losing Mitch's rim protection is a big loss I would sacrifice it for better floor spacing.
but Mitch to Minny makes zero sense. They have a better version of Mitch already in Gobert.
Randle for KAT makes sense for the Knicks, but does it for Minny? I think it does as Randle will change the complexion of the team, give them a lot more toughness(in the regular season).
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
Mitch having some untapped offensive game is laughable. How can anyone watch the games and come away thinking that? Hell, it’s a challenge for him to receive a pass in the post without fumbling the damn thing. He’s completely out of his element every time he touches the ball unless it’s him slamming down a pass to the rim
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
And I have. Can't remember which ones precisely,but numerous ones have written about what he shows in practice. Look,it's a moot point regardless as Thibs doesn't run plays for his center.I'll still take Mitch with all his alleged shortcomings over the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man KAT!
Blaming Thibs on these guys offense is truly laughable.
Mitch doesn’t have untapped offensive potential stop. He’s a good screener, finisher and rebounding- the best coaching staff in the world isn’t changing that.
And Hartenstein can’t shoot.
That has nothing to do with Thibs. Comical takes on here.
Trade Randle centered package for KAT.
Trade Robinson for some wings/ shooting and ideally a stretch 4.
is absolutely laughable...Joakim Noah was basiclaly a point-center, in Minnesota he told Towns to shoot more 3s..
His offense is oredicated on iso and pick and roll/pop, with some backdoor stuff...He relies on his best players to make the right play, so whrn he has good players his teams play better offensively
Mitch having some untapped offensive game is laughable. How can anyone watch the games and come away thinking that? Hell, it’s a challenge for him to receive a pass in the post without fumbling the damn thing. He’s completely out of his element every time he touches the ball unless it’s him slamming down a pass to the rim
Because Thibs is holding him back, lol, sure ok.
Also, why are we comparing Kat to Charles fucking smith? I don’t know if Kat is the answer here but cmon, the two are completely different players from different eras. Smith was a decent (volume) low post scorer who could actually defend on a decent level. Kat is an elite offensive player who can score from anywhere on the court, including 3 land. Apples and oranges.
In the first major domino of free agency, Toronto Raptors All-Star guard Fred VanVleet has declined his $22.8 million player option and will become an unrestricted free agent in July, sources told ESPN on Monday.
VanVleet hasn't ruled out negotiating a new deal and a Raptors return, sources said, but he becomes one of the most prominent guards in the marketplace and an immediate target of teams with cap space and several contenders who'd welcome discussions on sign-and-trade scenarios with Toronto, sources said.
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Gonna say the quiet part loud: the Pelicans are about to be in tax hell, they know Portland wants a veteran wing for Dame, and going young now gives them an easier pivot if Zion keeps getting hurt. So my guess would be that these are Ingram for No. 3 talks.
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The Knicks should have access to the $12.2M non-taxpayer midlevel exception in free agency. They currently can't offer potential free agents a rotation spot for 2023-24. With that in mind, here's a look at a few players who could be available for NYK Link - ( New Window )
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Wake Forest freshman Bobi Klintman is withdrawing from the 2023 NBA draft, sources tell @TheAthletic
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. He will now pursue alternative routes to the NBA, both domestic and abroad. Klintman is a projected lottery pick in the 2024 NBA Draft.
Windy saying Beal will probably be traded before next week's draft
Knicks gotta be careful here if they're looking at this guy.
he's owed a ton and it's not like he's a top 10 player.
I guess the cap will rise so his money won't look "as" bad....but with the new CBA it's hard to have more than 2 of these guys on your team. So you're sorta committing to Beal and Brunson as your "big two" going forward. I know Brunson is not making a ton now but he's going to want a mega deal sooner rather than later
the cost for Beal and Lavine will be very different. Only reason the knicks should be in on beal is because of the cost.
yeah, the Wizards are likely going to tear down while nobody knows yet what the Bulls are planning. If the cost in outgoing assets for Beal is so cheap that you still have enough for another big deal, then it becomes something you have to consider. But again, is it even feasible to have Brunson, Beal and player TBD all on mega deals?
that since the Wiz are the local team for me i was a big Beal fan. But i dont think he makes any sense for the Knicks now. He has seemed to be trending in the wrong direction and that contract is beyond awful. Even when the cap goes up its still going to be an awful contract. Beal is a good player still, but he is paid like a top 10 guy and whether the injury stuff is flukey or not he has still played in like 90 games over the last couple seasons.
I do think the cost will be low, new guy there just wants to get out of that contract, but even at a low asset cost he still is going to eat up a ton of money. Id rather keep some financial flexibility.
That said if we do trade for him, id immediately talk myself into him playing 70+ games and getting his shooting stroke back by being on a much better team where he will get much better looks then he did on that crap wiz roster, ha.
yeah Beal's deal is worse and he's going to be far less likely
The Athletic recently polled 15 people who work in front offices across the NBA, asking what they would deem a “fair” extension for Quickley. Each partaker was given anonymity so that he could speak freely. Answers were all over the map. The largest proposed salary was $27.5 million — $110 million over four years. Three other people suggested nine-figure contracts: five years, $125 million; four years, $100 million; and five years, $100 million. On the low end, one person suggested four years, $50 million, less than what the midlevel exception will be worth. That person acknowledged Quickley agreeing to such a tiny number wasn’t realistic. His opinion becomes superfluous to this exercise once you realize that if the Knicks thought so meekly of Quickley, they would have traded him a long time ago.
– via Fred Katz @ The Athletic
League wondering about Zion Williamson's availability in trades
Brian Windhorst: The Pelicans have had some cursory discussions. From what I’ve been told, there haven’t been any offers made necessarily yet, but it makes you really not take too far of a leap to wonder… The league is certainly wondering if the Pelicans are going to make for the first time truly Zion Williamson available ahead of next week’s draft.
if the Knicks were gonna trade for a guy from the Pelicans
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ESPN Sources: As rivals begin reaching out to the Wizards to explore possibility of trading for All-Star guard Bradley Beal, president Michael Winger and Beal’s agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports are staying in close contact to discuss scenarios presented to franchise.
about being in favor of bringing Beal to NY...which makes me wonder if he knew something might be happening.
Is there a point where the cost of players/picks going to Washington for Beal is so low that the contract becomes easier to swallow?
In fairness, he also was very vocal about them going after Westbrook (which obviously never happened and no real indication there was any traction there).
guess is LaVine is the guy they end up with *if* they make a major move. Doesn't sound like KP is on their radar and Lillard isn't coming. Decent buzz they are interested in KAT but I doubt it.
-Does seem like greater than 50% chance Zion is traded somewhere, Portland? Charlotte?
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
Where there is smoke there is usually fire-no thanks
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
The Hawks were bad last year with Murray playing next to Trae Young, a similar point guard to Brunson. The cost for Murray wasn’t worth it. LaVine is a much better scorer and outside shooter. I don’t know if LaVine is available and, if he is, what the cost would be. However, look at his numbers. They are incredibly efficient and impressive for a shooting guard. In 2021, he averaged 27 points a game while shooting better than 50%. That’s really impressive. He’s the anti-Melo.
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The Warriors and Suns discussed a potential deal centered around Chris Paul before he was dealt to the Wizards, per @ShamsCharania
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...
Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.
gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades. [/quote
Nobody knows where the Bucks will be in 2025. It’s possible their run is coming to an end and Giannis could eventually ask out. That could definitely turn into a lottery pick. While the Wizards will be really bad in the immediate future, nobody knows what kind of team they’ll have in 2026. These picks all still have some degree of value. The Knicks also have a lot of young talented players on good contracts that have a lot of value all over the league. The Knicks are in the best spot they’ve been in the last 25 years.
RE: Doesnt the wizards pick turn into a second eventually?
The Clippers are indeed interested in pursuing Chris Paul, according to a league source not authorized to speak publicly about another team’s player. The Clippers are evaluating what it would take to acquire Paul, who must first decide if he is open to staying in Washington. Bleacher Report’s Chris Haynes was first to report LA’s interest in trading for Paul.
– via Law Murray @ The Athletic
gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.
The Knicks unprotected picks are the most valuable, and the protected picks value is allowing Knicks to trade more unprotected picks..
I know the injury history of zion but man if ever you were gonna gamble i think this would be the time with zion, when healthy ( i know a big if ) he was producing like a top 5-7 with MVP potential
Wonder what the cost would be i know the rumors are pelicans are dangling him to try and get into top 3 from either charlotte or portland
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...
Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.
Beal is possibly the most overrated player in the league. It's been years since he shot a respectable % from 3, about to turn 30, often injured and the worst contract in the league. People seem to anchor on the two seasons he was a 30ppg scorer but we're two years removed from that and it's been 5 years since he played more than 60 games in a season.
Imo Lavine is the better player (both are poor on D but Lavine is the better of the two), on the better contract and while he's had his own injury issues his age makes me more confident that he can stay healthy moving forward.
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
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The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA
“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”
Is a four letter word for us Knick fans,but we can't jump at each shiny object that shows up.
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
Is a four letter word for us Knick fans,but we can't jump at each shiny object that shows up.
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.
Murray can’t shoot. You’d be adding another guard who can’t shoot. He’s not what the Knicks need at all. The Knicks have solid defensive guards in Grimes and Hart. Murray is the type of player you add to a team that already has 3 good outside shooters on the floor, which the Knicks don’t have. Murray is a terrible fit on the Knicks. LaVine would be much better. The Knicks didn’t beat the Heat because they couldn’t make outside shots, which is something Murray can’t do either.
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
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The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA
“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”
One thing I haven't seen discussed much is that if it's true that Zion doesn't want to be in New Orleans, why would he be happier/try harder in Portland or Charlotte? That alone would make me nervous about dealing a Scoot Henderson plus for him.
who is? We need a lethal shooting wing here, badly. LaVine is that and probably more. He's the best (available) shooting wing in the game right now. Fine, he's not Scottie Pippen on D but who is that is also available?
Knicks haven't had a shooting wing like LaVine since Allen Houston had 2 working knees.
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
So you weren't... lol
I was! I just had to say it. I read the whole post and knew you were kidding.
and I'm an RJ defender. Lavine is a pretty elite scorer and would also benefit from playing with Brunson. RJ is just too inconsistent and I don't think he'll ever be a good shooter. If you could keep Grimes and send RJ, a Lavine deal makes some sense depending on the cost.
that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
The RJ situation is a tough one. I thought he played the best basketball of his career after the first two games of the Cleveland. He drove to the basket and finished with authority. His outside shot was still inconsistent, and he had a bad Game 6 against the Heat. Do you believe RJ has turned a corner and can develop into a 38% shoot three point shooter or is it possible that the playoffs this season will make RJ Barrett's trade value higher than it ever will be? I personally don't think RJ will ever be a good enough outside shooter. I would trade him as the centerpiece in a package for LaVine who is a far better offensive player.
Goodwin is a sneaky solid pickup for the Suns in the Beal trade. I would not be surprised to see him provide Phoenix with some quality minutes off the bench this season.
that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
I felt better about RJ after the postseason than I ever felt about him during his first four seasons. He really stepped up and played big time basketball in big spots, including carrying the team at times in multiple games. His overall numbers were weighed down by three bad games, but he was very good overall. I would need a no doubt top of the sport star to consider trading him. (For example, Bradley Beal wasn’t that.)
RJ did look composed in a lot of the post season games, which
was a good development. But reading into his shooting stats and looking for anything good is probably a fools errand. He just hasn't shown any statistical improvement mainly because he's so inconsistent. The only clear improvement I see is his finishing is better than it was.
He still contributes enough that he's not a problem but he's also a place where the Knicks could look to improve.
He has flashes of putting it all together followed by streaks of being a professional brick layer. His averages are what they are. I give him credit for having one of his hot streaks when we needed it most, but history says we shouldn't think he has "turned a corner" because of a few good games in a row.
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The Celtics do not intend to trade Jaylen Brown and all signs continue to point toward Brown signing a five-year, $295 million super-max extension with Boston, per @AdamHimmelsbach
that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
The RJ situation is a tough one. I thought he played the best basketball of his career after the first two games of the Cleveland. He drove to the basket and finished with authority. His outside shot was still inconsistent, and he had a bad Game 6 against the Heat. Do you believe RJ has turned a corner and can develop into a 38% shoot three point shooter or is it possible that the playoffs this season will make RJ Barrett's trade value higher than it ever will be? I personally don't think RJ will ever be a good enough outside shooter. I would trade him as the centerpiece in a package for LaVine who is a far better offensive player.
Can't argue that take either. I am really on the fence. I think I will just put my faith in WWW/Rose and Thibs and see what they to do here. I have always liked LaVine.
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The Celtics do not intend to trade Jaylen Brown and all signs continue to point toward Brown signing a five-year, $295 million super-max extension with Boston, per @AdamHimmelsbach
Never any doubt in my view. Brown isn't going anywhere. Neither is Tatum.
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Recent off-court events surrounding Zion Williamson have shocked high-ranking members of the Pelicans organization.
“High-ranking members of the organization have been dismayed by recent off-court developments around Williamson, as other outlets have noted. The organization recently fired assistant coach Teresa Weatherspoon, a Naismith Hall of Famer, who was instrumental in the development of several young Pelicans, including Williamson. Those reading the tea leaves may surmise that Weatherspoon’s firing was related to the team’s issues with Williamson.”
Deandre Ayton was requested by Washington in the Beal trade, but the Suns declined to include him, per @Gambo987
The Bartelstein conflict of interest in this trade Seems like it should lead to some sort of investigation. Not that I would expect that to happen or anything to come of it if it did given how soft Silver is
The Bulls would be focused on getting a good young player, multiple first-round picks and salary filler if they decide to trade Zach LaVine, per @KCJHoop
Like it nor not, if that’s the ask the two teams do match up well…
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The Bulls would be focused on getting a good young player, multiple first-round picks and salary filler if they decide to trade Zach LaVine, per
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Before Bradley Beal was dealt to Phoenix in a blockbuster trade, he had other suitors in New York.
The Knicks were “in heavy for a while” for the Washington All-Star, The Athletic reported Sunday.
The report also mentioned the Heat, Celtics, Bucks and Kings as other teams that made a play or were interested in Beal.
-“They’re not hoping for patience, they’re hoping for The Process. I don’t know if that’s coming, but they’ve looked at that situation in Philly and there’s been a hope in New York that stuff in Philly will go haywire to the point where Embiid will ask out,” ESPN’s Tim MacMahon said on “The Hoop Collective” podcast over three weeks ago.
Fair, but what's their endgame? That roster is going nowhere & Demar isn't a spring chicken. The Ball injury really killed them, but who knows if he'll ever play again?
Fair, but what's their endgame? That roster is going nowhere & Demar isn't a spring chicken. The Ball injury really killed them, but who knows if he'll ever play again?
Derozan will probably be gone by the deadline or at the end of the year, he is an expiring..
I saw reports they were talking to vucevic but id be shocked if they resigned him, it just doesnt make sense..
John Gambadoro, Arizona Sports 98.7: "I had a player tell me yesterday to watch out for the Knicks. It’s hard to believe that…I still think the Lakers & Clippers probably…I wouldn’t rule out the Knicks only because a player told me he was hearing they’re a good option for Chris…"
So the Bulls are going to reup Vooch, but might trade LaVine? Who is running that operation...the same idiots who gave Beal a NTC?
I think they may just re-sign Vucevic with the hope that they can trade him down the road (probably as soon as this coming season). Even if they let him walk, I don't think they have meaningful cap space. They may be better off keeping him and then trying to trade him - assuming there's a market for him.
The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
KAT barely played last year. They're likely to at least see that this team looks like when healthy before making any major moves.
The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
I assumed this was about Naz Reid, not Towns. It makes sense to try and retain Reid if you're going to deal Towns
I mean theoretically KAT/Edwards give them 2 superstars to build around, Gobert is Gobert, McDaniels is a good young player, Reid is they keep him is a good young player. I actually can't fault them too much (especially given up what they did for Gobert). The league appears to be "wide open". If you told me the Wolves made a run next season I wouldn't be shocked.
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Portland won’t trade the No. 3 pick unless it nets one of a several premium targets to pair with Damian Lillard, league sources told @YahooSports
. The Blazers are preparing a significant offer for Miami’s Bam Adebayo, and other notes from around the NBA:
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Don't know if this is a controversial take but personally I'd rather have Siakam than Bam if I were Portland and certainly over Paul George given his age and injury history.
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Portland won’t trade the No. 3 pick unless it nets one of a several premium targets to pair with Damian Lillard, league sources told @YahooSports
. The Blazers are preparing a significant offer for Miami’s Bam Adebayo, and other notes from around the NBA:
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Don't know if this is a controversial take but personally I'd rather have Siakam than Bam if I were Portland and certainly over Paul George given his age and injury history.
They probably plan on resigning Grant and view them as playing the same position..
Bam replacing Nurkic upgrades their defense significantly
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Obi Toppin is a name to watch on the trade market, per @SBondyNYDN
“A source said Toppin was frustrated at times with his role, although he refrained from complaining to the media.”
Or we could just trade Randle? Problem solved.
Actually it creates a huge problem and one you refuse to ever acknowledge. Cool, Obi now can play 30-40 min a night. Never mind that the Knicks are worse. Problem solved? No.
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I enjoyed the article but so many of these articles or buzz make Portland out to be this team that holds all the cards. They hold Liliard who has openly said he doesn't want to leave and they have the 3rd pick, which admittedly is a nice chip to hold. Outside of 1-2 decent trade chips, what do they really have? They plan on building a contender? They don't have shit. They aren't building shit unless they draft a plug and play legendary talent.
I remember seeing KNicks articles like this back in the day when the KNicks had nothing yet the articles implied that so many potential moves were on the horizon. Granted, Portland has a little more than nothing, but it aint much.
OK great they trade the 3rd pick for Bam and something else? OK and? They'd still suck.
Zach LaVine, the Bulls All-Star guard who flirted with Portland as he reached unrestricted free agency last June, also does not appear to be a legitimate target for the Blazers.
How the hell would they even get LaVine? I understand the article says not a legit target, but they literally don't have shit to offer. Again, start and end with that 3rd pick. That's all they have and they won't do that. I guess the article is doing what it should to dump cold water but all this buzz about Portland needs to be a little more brutally honest.
Portland needs to do something crazy because conventional trades won't do it for them. They don't have the firepower. Trade for Zion.
I was always a huge Beal fan, but the ship has sailed. With that contract id not even want him as a strict salary dump. He is too injury prone and about to turn 30 (not old, but when u cant stay healthy in your 20's its not going to get any better in your 30's).
But I still want them to trade Randle. Don't need that asshole (even though he was injured) as a Knick next season.
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
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Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
The dude was always down low because Thibs wants his bigs rebounding.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Can we at least partially believe that if Thibs signs off on a trade or acquisition he's going to probably know how to use said player?
Only one guy has come in here and not played a lot of minutes- Fournier. It's possible that Thibs even acknowledged or communicated to Rose and Co that Fournier might not be what the doctor ordered here, or maybe he was all gung ho only to bury the guy, but that result is not the norm here.
If they don't trade for KP it's probably because it's not the right fit, as you alluded to.
But then I remember that the Knicks have been linked to a lot of true stretch bigs over the last 2-3 years. So I think Thibs wants a guy like KP here. Hart aint that guy even if he may have fooled us into thinking he was, prior to 23.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Yea, I don't remember watching Hart before he came here. I was under the belief that he was a better offensive player than advertised. I like him as a backup, but his offensive game isn't all that. Even his FT shooting scares me.
We don't have a true stretch big on the team other than Randle if you count power forward. Shit we don't have a center that can put the ball on the floor, period. Forget a 3 pt shooter...
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
Damn right I am. This place shits on him day after day. If not me then who?
Good weekend.
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HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
What are you talking about? You weren't questioning whether he is good or not. You're chiming in to my post to say he isn't a good three point shooter. I never said he was. Then it is on to Thibs again and he can do no wrong. My point was that the way the Knicks used him was different than how the Clippers used him. He played further out and was great with assists from the high post. Again, nothing to do with 3s. We saw later in the year some of the sick passes he was making from the high post. Thibs had him down low and his assist percentage dropped drastically. My point was simple, Thibs wasn't using Hartenstein to his strengths. That was all. So, is it wrong to question how he would use KP? I guess it is. We are not allowed to question anything with Thibs. He knows all.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
KP and Hart are apples and oranges anyway.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
And why do you keep bringing up Fornier and talking about generalities? Stop making blanket statements. I made a comment that I question if KP will be used to his strength based on evidence of how Thibs uses his players and his propensity for rebounding. Having a big out at the 3 point line is not what his style is about. There is a reason he rarely plays small ball. Again, these are just facts. You have a different opinion and that is fine but please stop with the blanket statements. We are talking about one specific thing, not Fournier.
I was using Fournier because he's the only guy.
I guess I don't see why so many are so concerned that a guy like KP would come here and not be asked to do what he does best. I question that belief, what can I say. Call it what you will...cheerleading is fine.
For all we know HArt was being used more as a passer because the Clips needed that more than we did. We have passers here. Randle can run the offense. Brunson and IQ can run it.
I can go on and on as to why the mention of Hart's lack of so called correct usage last year is not only debatable, it's not relevant to KP. Or maybe it is and I will admit I am wrong I KP comes here and is woefully miscast, but I don't see it. That's all I am saying.
I am not even sure I want KP here. I could probably be talked into it, but what is the cost. HE was better last year, one could probably say it was KP's best season as a pro. He moved better. Maybe...
So many ways the Knicks can go this off-season. There is also so much uncertainty with how teams operate with this new cap or salary structure looming. Then you have the east being pretty winnable or at least not populated by any super dominant teams. Does the Knicks brain trust feel it's approaching a now or never period? Do they think slow and steady wins the race. Do they think guys like IQ and Grimes are finished products. Even RJB...or can these guys play even better next season, especially come Spring time?
Is Grimes still an untouchable? Was he ever untouchable or was that more rumor. Do the Knicks think RJ's discovered shooting touch in the playoffs is here to stay?
Knicks have a lot of mystery to them.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
I I agree with this. I think.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above.
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line.
He’s taken this team as far as he is going to. Rose needs to move on.
In the pre season he was fantastic....making bounce passes to open cutters,and hitting from 3.
He got injured,and we never really saw the shooting side of him again.
Maybe this off season he can work on bring that aspect back.
In terms of KP-I am a no fucking way to that.
Fuck him and his oft injured Unicorn ass.
Beal....maybe-but not sure if he is a fit in the same backcourt with Brunson.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
No offense is all iso. But they run it at one of the highest rates in the league. They set very few screens compared to the best teams in the league. Their offense bogs down late in game in and the postseason because of this. Thibs is a shit coach. He wasted 1/4 of the season playing Fournier and Rose over superior players. In the playoffs, he played the most ineffective lineup in the most crucial minutes. He's terrible. The defensive system is from the 90s. Drop coverage is a disaster in the modern NBA. The team will never get to the top level with him as their coach.
Porzingis is a good fit. Especially if you trade Randle. KP fits better with Brunson/RJ cause he can impact the game without the ball due to his shooting. He also of course spreads the floor out for those two to drive. Now with Randle im not sure i see the fit. And i know people are dying to dump randle, but the guy has made 2 of the last 3 all nba teams, im guessing the Knicks are not dying to move him. If we can get an all nba player return (or close to it) id be all for it cause i dont like the fit with brunson/RJ but im also not trading him for junk just to trade him.
Also they can't resign both Toppin and Quickley with Grimes coming next it will be harder to make moves and puts them to far over the cap with the new CBA.
I am fine if you get Beal for Quickley, Toppin and salary filler. I can't see them giving too many picks, he is not worth it but they need to make decisions on these guys this year
KP is damaged good and any money is too much. He can't stay healthy and fuck him and his fucking brothers for how he played the Knicks the first time.
Let him go play in china.
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He was 18-47 from 3 prior to this year.
From my understanding of how it was described at the agent meeting was that you couldn’t stack minimum salaries to make contracts match, but didn’t limit teams to trading more than 1 player.
I could be wrong but limiting it to 1 for 1 would make next to no sense since very few player salaries match evenly.
The IQ rumor, the KAT rumor, or both?
I would do everything but the picks might throw in on pick but not much more.
I would do everything but the picks might throw in on pick but not much more.
Deoends on protected or unprotected, they can have the washington and detroit pick..
supposedly he wants to coach him again
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The IQ rumor, the KAT rumor, or both?
IQ and any Porzingis interest. I don’t think they pursue Towns either
Much appreciated.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
When was KP's last season where he was injruy free
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Yep, Coaches that make players change to adjust to their system,rather than adjusting their coaching style to meet the player's skill set,peak at a round of playoffs at best and never go further-that's Thibs in a nutshell!Thibs has a short shelf life,has everywhere he's been. Those that continually sing his praises need to realize he has a talented roster that isn't utilized fully. I think because of all the past chaos,the calmness he brought to the Knicks is often mistaken for him being a very good HC.As a Knicks fan of 60+ years,I certainly hope I'm wrong,but I don't believe Thibs can get them where they need to be while this roster & salary cap are at a point where they can maintain multiple high price talents & the time for that is getting shorter & shorter(see NBA's new CBA)!
When was KP's last season where he was injury free
It’s the NBA. It’s incredibly rare ANY player goes an entire season “injury free”. So asking when the last time KP did it is a bit disingenuous. KP played 9 more games than Mitch did this season and only 3 less than Brunson. He doesn’t need to be an iron man to surpass the availability of the Knicks current starting center…
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
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I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
Towns is not my favorite player but he is 10x more talented that charles smith was
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
Again, Mitch's offensive game is predicated on the Thibs theory of offense. We constantly hear that in practice he's hitting 3's, has numerous low post moves,yet because Thibs has a concrete way his centers play,they get buried (see Hartenstein above). Sure,the defensive matchups for Mitch weren't good vs Miami, but if he was able to create offense & force a team to worry about him it would level the playing field. But, as long as Thibs is coach, it'll never happen. And,KAT won't make them better. He's marshmallow soft. The 21st century version of Charles Smith!
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
So Kats 40% from 3 wouodnt of helped against miami? is 5 assists a game wouldnt of helped against miami?
Mitch also got destoryed on the boards by miami and got torched by Bam, Mitch was a big problem..
Replacing him with a stretch 5 alleviates a big problem for this Knicks team
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
Brunson, Quickley and RJ even Grimes strength is going to the rim and/or paint pulling Mitch out of the middle and Kat pulling rim defenders away from the paint opens lanes for everyone.
The Knicks play an antiquated brand of basketball currently with Mitch on the floor. While defensively losing Mitch's rim protection is a big loss I would sacrifice it for better floor spacing.
Randle for KAT makes sense for the Knicks, but does it for Minny? I think it does as Randle will change the complexion of the team, give them a lot more toughness(in the regular season).
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
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who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
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who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
And I have. Can't remember which ones precisely,but numerous ones have written about what he shows in practice. Look,it's a moot point regardless as Thibs doesn't run plays for his center.I'll still take Mitch with all his alleged shortcomings over the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man KAT!
Mitch doesn’t have untapped offensive potential stop. He’s a good screener, finisher and rebounding- the best coaching staff in the world isn’t changing that.
And Hartenstein can’t shoot.
That has nothing to do with Thibs. Comical takes on here.
Trade Randle centered package for KAT.
Trade Robinson for some wings/ shooting and ideally a stretch 4.
His offense is oredicated on iso and pick and roll/pop, with some backdoor stuff...He relies on his best players to make the right play, so whrn he has good players his teams play better offensively
Because Thibs is holding him back, lol, sure ok.
Also, why are we comparing Kat to Charles fucking smith? I don’t know if Kat is the answer here but cmon, the two are completely different players from different eras. Smith was a decent (volume) low post scorer who could actually defend on a decent level. Kat is an elite offensive player who can score from anywhere on the court, including 3 land. Apples and oranges.
VanVleet hasn't ruled out negotiating a new deal and a Raptors return, sources said, but he becomes one of the most prominent guards in the marketplace and an immediate target of teams with cap space and several contenders who'd welcome discussions on sign-and-trade scenarios with Toronto, sources said.
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Gonna say the quiet part loud: the Pelicans are about to be in tax hell, they know Portland wants a veteran wing for Dame, and going young now gives them an easier pivot if Zion keeps getting hurt. So my guess would be that these are Ingram for No. 3 talks.
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The Knicks should have access to the $12.2M non-taxpayer midlevel exception in free agency. They currently can't offer potential free agents a rotation spot for 2023-24. With that in mind, here's a look at a few players who could be available for NYK
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Interesting link. But presumably if the Knicks make a major move it will open up a rotation spot.
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Wake Forest freshman Bobi Klintman is withdrawing from the 2023 NBA draft, sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
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He does. Full no-trade.
Gotta think Miami, Philly and Knicks will kick tires.
Knicks gotta be careful here if they're looking at this guy.
he's owed a ton and it's not like he's a top 10 player.
I guess the cap will rise so his money won't look "as" bad....but with the new CBA it's hard to have more than 2 of these guys on your team. So you're sorta committing to Beal and Brunson as your "big two" going forward. I know Brunson is not making a ton now but he's going to want a mega deal sooner rather than later
Brunson
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Quick, Hart, McBride, Hartenstein, DiVincezo?
But i think if the price is cheap, you then have to tweak the roster more..it cant jist be Beal and expect to be contenders
LaVine is also cheaper.
He's owed 4/178 while Beal is owed 4/207 - which makes a difference with the new punitive tax rules.
yeah, the Wizards are likely going to tear down while nobody knows yet what the Bulls are planning. If the cost in outgoing assets for Beal is so cheap that you still have enough for another big deal, then it becomes something you have to consider. But again, is it even feasible to have Brunson, Beal and player TBD all on mega deals?
I do think the cost will be low, new guy there just wants to get out of that contract, but even at a low asset cost he still is going to eat up a ton of money. Id rather keep some financial flexibility.
That said if we do trade for him, id immediately talk myself into him playing 70+ games and getting his shooting stroke back by being on a much better team where he will get much better looks then he did on that crap wiz roster, ha.
Brunson has a player option for the last year, I think so the Knicks will have to pay him in two years, I'd guess.
– via Fred Katz @ The Athletic
League wondering about Zion Williamson's availability in trades
Brian Windhorst: The Pelicans have had some cursory discussions. From what I’ve been told, there haven’t been any offers made necessarily yet, but it makes you really not take too far of a leap to wonder… The league is certainly wondering if the Pelicans are going to make for the first time truly Zion Williamson available ahead of next week’s draft.
That Zion/RJ reunion doesn’t have you feeling all warm and fuzzy?
The odds of the Knicks getting him are too high for my liking.
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ESPN Sources: As rivals begin reaching out to the Wizards to explore possibility of trading for All-Star guard Bradley Beal, president Michael Winger and Beal’s agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports are staying in close contact to discuss scenarios presented to franchise.
Is there a point where the cost of players/picks going to Washington for Beal is so low that the contract becomes easier to swallow?
Is there a point where the cost of players/picks going to Washington for Beal is so low that the contract becomes easier to swallow?
In fairness, he also was very vocal about them going after Westbrook (which obviously never happened and no real indication there was any traction there).
-Does seem like greater than 50% chance Zion is traded somewhere, Portland? Charlotte?
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
Where there is smoke there is usually fire-no thanks
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
The Hawks were bad last year with Murray playing next to Trae Young, a similar point guard to Brunson. The cost for Murray wasn’t worth it. LaVine is a much better scorer and outside shooter. I don’t know if LaVine is available and, if he is, what the cost would be. However, look at his numbers. They are incredibly efficient and impressive for a shooting guard. In 2021, he averaged 27 points a game while shooting better than 50%. That’s really impressive. He’s the anti-Melo.
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I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...
Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades. [/quote
Nobody knows where the Bucks will be in 2025. It’s possible their run is coming to an end and Giannis could eventually ask out. That could definitely turn into a lottery pick. While the Wizards will be really bad in the immediate future, nobody knows what kind of team they’ll have in 2026. These picks all still have some degree of value. The Knicks also have a lot of young talented players on good contracts that have a lot of value all over the league. The Knicks are in the best spot they’ve been in the last 25 years.
Eventually it becomes a 2026 and 2027 2nd round pick but you can pick up 2nd round picks like it's going out of style
The Clippers are indeed interested in pursuing Chris Paul, according to a league source not authorized to speak publicly about another team’s player. The Clippers are evaluating what it would take to acquire Paul, who must first decide if he is open to staying in Washington. Bleacher Report’s Chris Haynes was first to report LA’s interest in trading for Paul.
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.
The Knicks unprotected picks are the most valuable, and the protected picks value is allowing Knicks to trade more unprotected picks..
I know the injury history of zion but man if ever you were gonna gamble i think this would be the time with zion, when healthy ( i know a big if ) he was producing like a top 5-7 with MVP potential
Wonder what the cost would be i know the rumors are pelicans are dangling him to try and get into top 3 from either charlotte or portland
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...
Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.
Beal is possibly the most overrated player in the league. It's been years since he shot a respectable % from 3, about to turn 30, often injured and the worst contract in the league. People seem to anchor on the two seasons he was a 30ppg scorer but we're two years removed from that and it's been 5 years since he played more than 60 games in a season.
Imo Lavine is the better player (both are poor on D but Lavine is the better of the two), on the better contract and while he's had his own injury issues his age makes me more confident that he can stay healthy moving forward.
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The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA
“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”
Yup and Rj played well but he wasnt a threat from 3, Miami packed the paint..
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.
Murray can’t shoot. You’d be adding another guard who can’t shoot. He’s not what the Knicks need at all. The Knicks have solid defensive guards in Grimes and Hart. Murray is the type of player you add to a team that already has 3 good outside shooters on the floor, which the Knicks don’t have. Murray is a terrible fit on the Knicks. LaVine would be much better. The Knicks didn’t beat the Heat because they couldn’t make outside shots, which is something Murray can’t do either.
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
So you weren't... lol
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
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The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA
“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”
One thing I haven't seen discussed much is that if it's true that Zion doesn't want to be in New Orleans, why would he be happier/try harder in Portland or Charlotte? That alone would make me nervous about dealing a Scoot Henderson plus for him.
Knicks haven't had a shooting wing like LaVine since Allen Houston had 2 working knees.
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
So you weren't... lol
I was! I just had to say it. I read the whole post and knew you were kidding.
It was the best of times it was the worst of times.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
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Report: Portland Trail Blazers dangling No. 23 pick in hopes of finding help for Damian Lillard
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
The RJ situation is a tough one. I thought he played the best basketball of his career after the first two games of the Cleveland. He drove to the basket and finished with authority. His outside shot was still inconsistent, and he had a bad Game 6 against the Heat. Do you believe RJ has turned a corner and can develop into a 38% shoot three point shooter or is it possible that the playoffs this season will make RJ Barrett's trade value higher than it ever will be? I personally don't think RJ will ever be a good enough outside shooter. I would trade him as the centerpiece in a package for LaVine who is a far better offensive player.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
I felt better about RJ after the postseason than I ever felt about him during his first four seasons. He really stepped up and played big time basketball in big spots, including carrying the team at times in multiple games. His overall numbers were weighed down by three bad games, but he was very good overall. I would need a no doubt top of the sport star to consider trading him. (For example, Bradley Beal wasn’t that.)
He still contributes enough that he's not a problem but he's also a place where the Knicks could look to improve.
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The Celtics do not intend to trade Jaylen Brown and all signs continue to point toward Brown signing a five-year, $295 million super-max extension with Boston, per @AdamHimmelsbach
That's a weird rumor. Even if he were about to be traded, what rush would he be in to find a place to live? Not buying it.
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That's a weird rumor. Even if he were about to be traded, what rush would he be in to find a place to live? Not buying it.
yeah its weird, but figure pass it along
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that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.
And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
The RJ situation is a tough one. I thought he played the best basketball of his career after the first two games of the Cleveland. He drove to the basket and finished with authority. His outside shot was still inconsistent, and he had a bad Game 6 against the Heat. Do you believe RJ has turned a corner and can develop into a 38% shoot three point shooter or is it possible that the playoffs this season will make RJ Barrett's trade value higher than it ever will be? I personally don't think RJ will ever be a good enough outside shooter. I would trade him as the centerpiece in a package for LaVine who is a far better offensive player.
Can't argue that take either. I am really on the fence. I think I will just put my faith in WWW/Rose and Thibs and see what they to do here. I have always liked LaVine.
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The Celtics do not intend to trade Jaylen Brown and all signs continue to point toward Brown signing a five-year, $295 million super-max extension with Boston, per @AdamHimmelsbach
Never any doubt in my view. Brown isn't going anywhere. Neither is Tatum.
Isiah Thomas?
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Isiah Thomas?
Yup.
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Recent off-court events surrounding Zion Williamson have shocked high-ranking members of the Pelicans organization.
“High-ranking members of the organization have been dismayed by recent off-court developments around Williamson, as other outlets have noted. The organization recently fired assistant coach Teresa Weatherspoon, a Naismith Hall of Famer, who was instrumental in the development of several young Pelicans, including Williamson. Those reading the tea leaves may surmise that Weatherspoon’s firing was related to the team’s issues with Williamson.”
This time last year the big rumor was that they were going to trade their frp for Malcolm Brogdon so it's still quite early
The Bartelstein conflict of interest in this trade Seems like it should lead to some sort of investigation. Not that I would expect that to happen or anything to come of it if it did given how soft Silver is
Like it nor not, if that’s the ask the two teams do match up well…
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This time last year the big rumor was that they were going to trade their frp for Malcolm Brogdon so it's still quite early
Yeah true, just figured there woukd be something out there
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The Bulls would be focused on getting a good young player, multiple first-round picks and salary filler if they decide to trade Zach LaVine, per
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The Knicks were “in heavy for a while” for the Washington All-Star, The Athletic reported Sunday.
The report also mentioned the Heat, Celtics, Bucks and Kings as other teams that made a play or were interested in Beal.
-“They’re not hoping for patience, they’re hoping for The Process. I don’t know if that’s coming, but they’ve looked at that situation in Philly and there’s been a hope in New York that stuff in Philly will go haywire to the point where Embiid will ask out,” ESPN’s Tim MacMahon said on “The Hoop Collective” podcast over three weeks ago.
It doesnt work with Lavine and Derozan, and they can probably get good deoth and picka in a deal for Lavine over Derozan
Derozan will probably be gone by the deadline or at the end of the year, he is an expiring..
I saw reports they were talking to vucevic but id be shocked if they resigned him, it just doesnt make sense..
we could also just trade for him.
I think they may just re-sign Vucevic with the hope that they can trade him down the road (probably as soon as this coming season). Even if they let him walk, I don't think they have meaningful cap space. They may be better off keeping him and then trying to trade him - assuming there's a market for him.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
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Obi Toppin is a name to watch on the trade market, per @SBondyNYDN
“A source said Toppin was frustrated at times with his role, although he refrained from complaining to the media.”
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
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Obi Toppin is a name to watch on the trade market, per @SBondyNYDN
“A source said Toppin was frustrated at times with his role, although he refrained from complaining to the media.”
Obi is going to hurt to see go, but for this team you need a big 3 and d wing in that spot off the bench
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Obi Toppin is a name to watch on the trade market, per @SBondyNYDN
“A source said Toppin was frustrated at times with his role, although he refrained from complaining to the media.”
Or we could just trade Randle? Problem solved.
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The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
KAT barely played last year. They're likely to at least see that this team looks like when healthy before making any major moves.
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The Timberwolves want him back. That is true from the very top of the organization down through the front office and coaching staff. Taylor, Marc and Rodriguez are all on board with trying to get Naz Reid back, sources told The Athletic. The discussions on a contract have gone on all season and will continue. It has gotten to the point where free agency is so close that Reid almost has to dip his toe in the water to see where the market is before he makes a decision. But the Wolves are very much alive in this situation, which was made even clearer by his presence at the practice facility on Monday.
– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic
Twolves are a delusional franchise, do nothing a year ago so yes lets run it back
I assumed this was about Naz Reid, not Towns. It makes sense to try and retain Reid if you're going to deal Towns
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Portland won’t trade the No. 3 pick unless it nets one of a several premium targets to pair with Damian Lillard, league sources told @YahooSports
. The Blazers are preparing a significant offer for Miami’s Bam Adebayo, and other notes from around the NBA:
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Don't know if this is a controversial take but personally I'd rather have Siakam than Bam if I were Portland and certainly over Paul George given his age and injury history.
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Portland won’t trade the No. 3 pick unless it nets one of a several premium targets to pair with Damian Lillard, league sources told @YahooSports
. The Blazers are preparing a significant offer for Miami’s Bam Adebayo, and other notes from around the NBA:
Take Randle!
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Don't know if this is a controversial take but personally I'd rather have Siakam than Bam if I were Portland and certainly over Paul George given his age and injury history.
They probably plan on resigning Grant and view them as playing the same position..
Bam replacing Nurkic upgrades their defense significantly
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NEWS: It is unlikely that Zion Williamson is traded before the NBA Draft, league sources tell The Athletic.
But behind-the-scenes tensions between Williamson and the Pelicans have intensified over the past few months, @WillGuillory
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Obi Toppin is a name to watch on the trade market, per @SBondyNYDN
“A source said Toppin was frustrated at times with his role, although he refrained from complaining to the media.”
Or we could just trade Randle? Problem solved.
Actually it creates a huge problem and one you refuse to ever acknowledge. Cool, Obi now can play 30-40 min a night. Never mind that the Knicks are worse. Problem solved? No.
I enjoyed the article but so many of these articles or buzz make Portland out to be this team that holds all the cards. They hold Liliard who has openly said he doesn't want to leave and they have the 3rd pick, which admittedly is a nice chip to hold. Outside of 1-2 decent trade chips, what do they really have? They plan on building a contender? They don't have shit. They aren't building shit unless they draft a plug and play legendary talent.
I remember seeing KNicks articles like this back in the day when the KNicks had nothing yet the articles implied that so many potential moves were on the horizon. Granted, Portland has a little more than nothing, but it aint much.
OK great they trade the 3rd pick for Bam and something else? OK and? They'd still suck.
How the hell would they even get LaVine? I understand the article says not a legit target, but they literally don't have shit to offer. Again, start and end with that 3rd pick. That's all they have and they won't do that. I guess the article is doing what it should to dump cold water but all this buzz about Portland needs to be a little more brutally honest.
Portland needs to do something crazy because conventional trades won't do it for them. They don't have the firepower. Trade for Zion.