is part of said trade, there has to be more to it, either Randle or Robinson has to be moved. The other issue is neither Beal or KP stay healthy for 5 minutes.
I don't want to include IQ in a deal for Porzingis
although as a FA im not giving up IQ to get him. I get that we cant sign him outright, but giving up IQ is too much. Id be fine with Obi and filler (fournier) for KP.
I was always a huge Beal fan, but the ship has sailed. With that contract id not even want him as a strict salary dump. He is too injury prone and about to turn 30 (not old, but when u cant stay healthy in your 20's its not going to get any better in your 30's).
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
The dude was always down low because Thibs wants his bigs rebounding.
This is just one of those nonsense fan rumor accounts
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
because Randle can shoot from the outside. Someone has to box out.
Can we at least partially believe that if Thibs signs off on a trade or acquisition he's going to probably know how to use said player?
Only one guy has come in here and not played a lot of minutes- Fournier. It's possible that Thibs even acknowledged or communicated to Rose and Co that Fournier might not be what the doctor ordered here, or maybe he was all gung ho only to bury the guy, but that result is not the norm here.
If they don't trade for KP it's probably because it's not the right fit, as you alluded to.
But then I remember that the Knicks have been linked to a lot of true stretch bigs over the last 2-3 years. So I think Thibs wants a guy like KP here. Hart aint that guy even if he may have fooled us into thinking he was, prior to 23. Hart's stats - ( New Window )
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Yea, I don't remember watching Hart before he came here. I was under the belief that he was a better offensive player than advertised. I like him as a backup, but his offensive game isn't all that. Even his FT shooting scares me.
We don't have a true stretch big on the team other than Randle if you count power forward. Shit we don't have a center that can put the ball on the floor, period. Forget a 3 pt shooter...
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
Hartenstein is not/has never been a good shooter. This myth that he somehow didn't shoot well because of an injury is hilarious. He's a solid bench guy that can be productive down low. Nothing more.
It is very annoying with you playing cheerleader for Thibs all the time. Other people have opinions. It is okay. We are allowed to not be in love with Thibs. Instead of trying to argue with everyone and change their mind, try being open minded and listen to others. Link - ( New Window )
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
What are you talking about? You weren't questioning whether he is good or not. You're chiming in to my post to say he isn't a good three point shooter. I never said he was. Then it is on to Thibs again and he can do no wrong. My point was that the way the Knicks used him was different than how the Clippers used him. He played further out and was great with assists from the high post. Again, nothing to do with 3s. We saw later in the year some of the sick passes he was making from the high post. Thibs had him down low and his assist percentage dropped drastically. My point was simple, Thibs wasn't using Hartenstein to his strengths. That was all. So, is it wrong to question how he would use KP? I guess it is. We are not allowed to question anything with Thibs. He knows all.
I still disagree that he didn't utilize him properly or at least disagree that it was so egregious or so concerning that this will prevent any offensive center from succeeding here. And you implied or said that.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
Did I say he ruined him? No. We are talking about spacing and having a big that can pass is a nice skillset yet was rarely used. The paint didn't need to be clogged with him down low. Every C we have has played down low. Hartenstein was supposed to give us something we haven't had with Mitch and Sims yet he was used the exact same way even though he showed the year prior he can play out further from the basket which led to his best year as a pro.
I still disagree that he didn't utilize him properly or at least disagree that it was so egregious or so concerning that this will prevent any offensive center from succeeding here. And you implied or said that.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
And why do you keep bringing up Fornier and talking about generalities? Stop making blanket statements. I made a comment that I question if KP will be used to his strength based on evidence of how Thibs uses his players and his propensity for rebounding. Having a big out at the 3 point line is not what his style is about. There is a reason he rarely plays small ball. Again, these are just facts. You have a different opinion and that is fine but please stop with the blanket statements. We are talking about one specific thing, not Fournier.
because he is virtually the only player to underachieve here under Thibs. Everyone else is building a successful NBA career, with some of them actually improving, with maybe Hart the only exception.
I was using Fournier because he's the only guy.
I guess I don't see why so many are so concerned that a guy like KP would come here and not be asked to do what he does best. I question that belief, what can I say. Call it what you will...cheerleading is fine.
For all we know HArt was being used more as a passer because the Clips needed that more than we did. We have passers here. Randle can run the offense. Brunson and IQ can run it.
I can go on and on as to why the mention of Hart's lack of so called correct usage last year is not only debatable, it's not relevant to KP. Or maybe it is and I will admit I am wrong I KP comes here and is woefully miscast, but I don't see it. That's all I am saying.
I am not even sure I want KP here. I could probably be talked into it, but what is the cost. HE was better last year, one could probably say it was KP's best season as a pro. He moved better. Maybe...
I don't know enough about Thibs in his other stops but with the Knicks we know how he wants his centers to play. One can make the argument that he has never had a player like KP. That's fine. I get it. I just know what I see in his tenure here and he used Hartenstein just like he uses Mitch and Sims and Noel and Gibson. Hartenstein isn't the same type of player that they are but was used exactly the same. If there are other examples then awesome but I don't see the issue with being skeptical with how KP would be used here. If KP was here, I can see him on the court with another C so the C can be down low. When Randle was hurt what we saw was Mitch and Hartenstein on the court on the same time. Imo, he'd rather protect the paint than go small and give up easy baskets. The way they play defense tells me that too hence why we are one of the worst three point defenses. It's not the players, it's the style. Again, every opinion I have is based on evidence of what I see. Some may disagree with what I see. I get it. But I'm not just pulling shit out of this air to be a dick.
Beal scares me but he's a legit alpha scoring guard. Hard to believe he's 29 years old already, seems like he's still a young ascending star.
So many ways the Knicks can go this off-season. There is also so much uncertainty with how teams operate with this new cap or salary structure looming. Then you have the east being pretty winnable or at least not populated by any super dominant teams. Does the Knicks brain trust feel it's approaching a now or never period? Do they think slow and steady wins the race. Do they think guys like IQ and Grimes are finished products. Even RJB...or can these guys play even better next season, especially come Spring time?
Is Grimes still an untouchable? Was he ever untouchable or was that more rumor. Do the Knicks think RJ's discovered shooting touch in the playoffs is here to stay?
I know you're not saying this shit to be a dick. I hope you know the same of me. I may come off as combative but I am anything but. I just love my Knicks and want to win. I wasn't even calling you out, really. Just talking shit.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Somethings have been consistent from year to year, wherever he has coached.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above.
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line.
He’s taken this team as far as he is going to. Rose needs to move on.
When he first came here,I remember thinking this is the stretch 3 we have been looking for.His last season in LA he had 46.7% from behind the arc.
In the pre season he was fantastic....making bounce passes to open cutters,and hitting from 3.
He got injured,and we never really saw the shooting side of him again.
Maybe this off season he can work on bring that aspect back.
In terms of KP-I am a no fucking way to that.
Fuck him and his oft injured Unicorn ass.
Beal....maybe-but not sure if he is a fit in the same backcourt with Brunson.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time. --this is an opinion, not rooted in any factual data at all. Many experts feel you're better off playing your stars big minutes to PREP them for the postseason. PS--the best ever all played HUGE minutes. I am talking about Kobe, Shaq, Jordan and Bird and Lebron. But ok whatever.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time. --this is an opinion, not rooted in any factual data at all. Many experts feel you're better off playing your stars big minutes to PREP them for the postseason. PS--the best ever all played HUGE minutes. I am talking about Kobe, Shaq, Jordan and Bird and Lebron. But ok whatever.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
No offense is all iso. But they run it at one of the highest rates in the league. They set very few screens compared to the best teams in the league. Their offense bogs down late in game in and the postseason because of this. Thibs is a shit coach. He wasted 1/4 of the season playing Fournier and Rose over superior players. In the playoffs, he played the most ineffective lineup in the most crucial minutes. He's terrible. The defensive system is from the 90s. Drop coverage is a disaster in the modern NBA. The team will never get to the top level with him as their coach.
Not sure where people got the idea that Hartenstein...
is a stretch option. Sure he shot 46% from 3.....on .4 attempts a game. He is a better 3 pt shooter then say Mitch is, haha, but he isnt anywhere near KP's level.
Porzingis is a good fit. Especially if you trade Randle. KP fits better with Brunson/RJ cause he can impact the game without the ball due to his shooting. He also of course spreads the floor out for those two to drive. Now with Randle im not sure i see the fit. And i know people are dying to dump randle, but the guy has made 2 of the last 3 all nba teams, im guessing the Knicks are not dying to move him. If we can get an all nba player return (or close to it) id be all for it cause i dont like the fit with brunson/RJ but im also not trading him for junk just to trade him.
The Knicks need to make moves this year it just gets hard next.
Also they can't resign both Toppin and Quickley with Grimes coming next it will be harder to make moves and puts them to far over the cap with the new CBA.
I am fine if you get Beal for Quickley, Toppin and salary filler. I can't see them giving too many picks, he is not worth it but they need to make decisions on these guys this year
KP is damaged good and any money is too much. He can't stay healthy and fuck him and his fucking brothers for how he played the Knicks the first time.
Let him go play in china. Katz Article on new CBA and the Knicks pay wall - ( New Window )
But I kind of trust this regime enough that if they like him they must have a good plan. He is an elite offensive big that’s for sure. I get the fear though. KAT is weird.
Hartenstein is not/has never been a good shooter. This myth that he somehow didn't shoot well because of an injury is hilarious. He's a solid bench guy that can be productive down low. Nothing more.
From that point on, teams above the second apron cannot aggregate players in trades at all, meaning they can deal only one player at a time, and salary-matching rules become as prohibitive as possible.
From my understanding of how it was described at the agent meeting was that you couldn’t stack minimum salaries to make contracts match, but didn’t limit teams to trading more than 1 player.
I could be wrong but limiting it to 1 for 1 would make next to no sense since very few player salaries match evenly.
I was always a huge Beal fan, but the ship has sailed. With that contract id not even want him as a strict salary dump. He is too injury prone and about to turn 30 (not old, but when u cant stay healthy in your 20's its not going to get any better in your 30's).
But I still want them to trade Randle. Don't need that asshole (even though he was injured) as a Knick next season.
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
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Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hartenstein played through an Achilles injury early in the season and shot very poorly from outside. Never found his stroke and gave up on it.
The dude was always down low because Thibs wants his bigs rebounding.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Can we at least partially believe that if Thibs signs off on a trade or acquisition he's going to probably know how to use said player?
Only one guy has come in here and not played a lot of minutes- Fournier. It's possible that Thibs even acknowledged or communicated to Rose and Co that Fournier might not be what the doctor ordered here, or maybe he was all gung ho only to bury the guy, but that result is not the norm here.
If they don't trade for KP it's probably because it's not the right fit, as you alluded to.
But then I remember that the Knicks have been linked to a lot of true stretch bigs over the last 2-3 years. So I think Thibs wants a guy like KP here. Hart aint that guy even if he may have fooled us into thinking he was, prior to 23.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Hart never shot more threes in a season than this last season while playing under Thibs, unless I am not reading his stats page correctly. He also couldn't shoot for shit--22%
Hart is NOT a stretch big. He's a solid passer and there are worse 3 pt shooting bigs but Isaiah is more a solid defensive, decent passing big than anything else.
Zero faith that Thibs will know how to use a stretch big that he himself signed off on acquiring in the first place? We're treading into laughable territory again.
Who has Thibs failed to use? Fournier? That's it.
I didn't say 3s but he wasn't used the same in NY as he was before that. Hartenstein completely had to change his game.
Yea, I don't remember watching Hart before he came here. I was under the belief that he was a better offensive player than advertised. I like him as a backup, but his offensive game isn't all that. Even his FT shooting scares me.
We don't have a true stretch big on the team other than Randle if you count power forward. Shit we don't have a center that can put the ball on the floor, period. Forget a 3 pt shooter...
HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
Damn right I am. This place shits on him day after day. If not me then who?
Good weekend.
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HEre we go...I disagree and question whether the immortal Isaiah Fucking Hartenstein might just not be THAT good, and that it might not be the fault of the HC and that we might just need a better big here....and i'm a fucking cheerleader.
Talk amongst yourselves. I won't waste anyone's time.
I want a better stretch big. Peace.
What are you talking about? You weren't questioning whether he is good or not. You're chiming in to my post to say he isn't a good three point shooter. I never said he was. Then it is on to Thibs again and he can do no wrong. My point was that the way the Knicks used him was different than how the Clippers used him. He played further out and was great with assists from the high post. Again, nothing to do with 3s. We saw later in the year some of the sick passes he was making from the high post. Thibs had him down low and his assist percentage dropped drastically. My point was simple, Thibs wasn't using Hartenstein to his strengths. That was all. So, is it wrong to question how he would use KP? I guess it is. We are not allowed to question anything with Thibs. He knows all.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
KP and Hart are apples and oranges anyway.
We can't mention a player or move here without someone questioning how Thibs will handle that player. Without conjuring up some fear that Thibs will fail. Based on what? Fournier?
It's fine, you win. He ruined HArtenstein. I don't care enough to battle about this anymore.
And why do you keep bringing up Fornier and talking about generalities? Stop making blanket statements. I made a comment that I question if KP will be used to his strength based on evidence of how Thibs uses his players and his propensity for rebounding. Having a big out at the 3 point line is not what his style is about. There is a reason he rarely plays small ball. Again, these are just facts. You have a different opinion and that is fine but please stop with the blanket statements. We are talking about one specific thing, not Fournier.
I was using Fournier because he's the only guy.
I guess I don't see why so many are so concerned that a guy like KP would come here and not be asked to do what he does best. I question that belief, what can I say. Call it what you will...cheerleading is fine.
For all we know HArt was being used more as a passer because the Clips needed that more than we did. We have passers here. Randle can run the offense. Brunson and IQ can run it.
I can go on and on as to why the mention of Hart's lack of so called correct usage last year is not only debatable, it's not relevant to KP. Or maybe it is and I will admit I am wrong I KP comes here and is woefully miscast, but I don't see it. That's all I am saying.
I am not even sure I want KP here. I could probably be talked into it, but what is the cost. HE was better last year, one could probably say it was KP's best season as a pro. He moved better. Maybe...
So many ways the Knicks can go this off-season. There is also so much uncertainty with how teams operate with this new cap or salary structure looming. Then you have the east being pretty winnable or at least not populated by any super dominant teams. Does the Knicks brain trust feel it's approaching a now or never period? Do they think slow and steady wins the race. Do they think guys like IQ and Grimes are finished products. Even RJB...or can these guys play even better next season, especially come Spring time?
Is Grimes still an untouchable? Was he ever untouchable or was that more rumor. Do the Knicks think RJ's discovered shooting touch in the playoffs is here to stay?
Knicks have a lot of mystery to them.
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
I I agree with this. I think.
1. He plays his vets huge minutes during regular seasons, and they are beat by playoff time.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above.
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line.
He’s taken this team as far as he is going to. Rose needs to move on.
In the pre season he was fantastic....making bounce passes to open cutters,and hitting from 3.
He got injured,and we never really saw the shooting side of him again.
Maybe this off season he can work on bring that aspect back.
In terms of KP-I am a no fucking way to that.
Fuck him and his oft injured Unicorn ass.
Beal....maybe-but not sure if he is a fit in the same backcourt with Brunson.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
2. Young guys have a hard time developing because of the above. ---This is a flat out myth completely pulled from nowhere. IQ, Grimes and RJB all played big minutes under Thibs. But there is Obi...
3. He has a rigid style of offense based on iso. Any player who doesn’t fit that gets a seat at the end of the bench. Yet the Knicks were one of the league's best at offense this season. It aint all ISO. Watch the games. And what player was benched because of this drummed up myth? Fournier? Ok. And? Fournier was benched because he didn't hit shots. Period.
4. His MO is he’s a good defensive coach, but his teams stink at defending the 3 point line. -- Got me there.
No offense is all iso. But they run it at one of the highest rates in the league. They set very few screens compared to the best teams in the league. Their offense bogs down late in game in and the postseason because of this. Thibs is a shit coach. He wasted 1/4 of the season playing Fournier and Rose over superior players. In the playoffs, he played the most ineffective lineup in the most crucial minutes. He's terrible. The defensive system is from the 90s. Drop coverage is a disaster in the modern NBA. The team will never get to the top level with him as their coach.
Porzingis is a good fit. Especially if you trade Randle. KP fits better with Brunson/RJ cause he can impact the game without the ball due to his shooting. He also of course spreads the floor out for those two to drive. Now with Randle im not sure i see the fit. And i know people are dying to dump randle, but the guy has made 2 of the last 3 all nba teams, im guessing the Knicks are not dying to move him. If we can get an all nba player return (or close to it) id be all for it cause i dont like the fit with brunson/RJ but im also not trading him for junk just to trade him.
Also they can't resign both Toppin and Quickley with Grimes coming next it will be harder to make moves and puts them to far over the cap with the new CBA.
I am fine if you get Beal for Quickley, Toppin and salary filler. I can't see them giving too many picks, he is not worth it but they need to make decisions on these guys this year
KP is damaged good and any money is too much. He can't stay healthy and fuck him and his fucking brothers for how he played the Knicks the first time.
Let him go play in china.
Katz Article on new CBA and the Knicks pay wall - ( New Window )
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He was 18-47 from 3 prior to this year.
From my understanding of how it was described at the agent meeting was that you couldn’t stack minimum salaries to make contracts match, but didn’t limit teams to trading more than 1 player.
I could be wrong but limiting it to 1 for 1 would make next to no sense since very few player salaries match evenly.
The IQ rumor, the KAT rumor, or both?
I would do everything but the picks might throw in on pick but not much more.
I would do everything but the picks might throw in on pick but not much more.
Deoends on protected or unprotected, they can have the washington and detroit pick..