I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Yep, Coaches that make players change to adjust to their system,rather than adjusting their coaching style to meet the player's skill set,peak at a round of playoffs at best and never go further-that's Thibs in a nutshell!Thibs has a short shelf life,has everywhere he's been. Those that continually sing his praises need to realize he has a talented roster that isn't utilized fully. I think because of all the past chaos,the calmness he brought to the Knicks is often mistaken for him being a very good HC.As a Knicks fan of 60+ years,I certainly hope I'm wrong,but I don't believe Thibs can get them where they need to be while this roster & salary cap are at a point where they can maintain multiple high price talents & the time for that is getting shorter & shorter(see NBA's new CBA)!
more successful coaches then him were kicked to the curb this off season.
When was KP's last season where he was injury free
It’s the NBA. It’s incredibly rare ANY player goes an entire season “injury free”. So asking when the last time KP did it is a bit disingenuous. KP played 9 more games than Mitch did this season and only 3 less than Brunson. He doesn’t need to be an iron man to surpass the availability of the Knicks current starting center…
I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
Towns is not my favorite player but he is 10x more talented that charles smith was
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
Again, Mitch's offensive game is predicated on the Thibs theory of offense. We constantly hear that in practice he's hitting 3's, has numerous low post moves,yet because Thibs has a concrete way his centers play,they get buried (see Hartenstein above). Sure,the defensive matchups for Mitch weren't good vs Miami, but if he was able to create offense & force a team to worry about him it would level the playing field. But, as long as Thibs is coach, it'll never happen. And,KAT won't make them better. He's marshmallow soft. The 21st century version of Charles Smith!
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
So Kats 40% from 3 wouodnt of helped against miami? is 5 assists a game wouldnt of helped against miami?
Mitch also got destoryed on the boards by miami and got torched by Bam, Mitch was a big problem..
Replacing him with a stretch 5 alleviates a big problem for this Knicks team
You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
Brunson, Quickley and RJ even Grimes strength is going to the rim and/or paint pulling Mitch out of the middle and Kat pulling rim defenders away from the paint opens lanes for everyone.
The Knicks play an antiquated brand of basketball currently with Mitch on the floor. While defensively losing Mitch's rim protection is a big loss I would sacrifice it for better floor spacing.
but Mitch to Minny makes zero sense. They have a better version of Mitch already in Gobert.
Randle for KAT makes sense for the Knicks, but does it for Minny? I think it does as Randle will change the complexion of the team, give them a lot more toughness(in the regular season).
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
Mitch having some untapped offensive game is laughable. How can anyone watch the games and come away thinking that? Hell, it’s a challenge for him to receive a pass in the post without fumbling the damn thing. He’s completely out of his element every time he touches the ball unless it’s him slamming down a pass to the rim
who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
And I have. Can't remember which ones precisely,but numerous ones have written about what he shows in practice. Look,it's a moot point regardless as Thibs doesn't run plays for his center.I'll still take Mitch with all his alleged shortcomings over the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man KAT!
Blaming Thibs on these guys offense is truly laughable.
Mitch doesn’t have untapped offensive potential stop. He’s a good screener, finisher and rebounding- the best coaching staff in the world isn’t changing that.
And Hartenstein can’t shoot.
That has nothing to do with Thibs. Comical takes on here.
Trade Randle centered package for KAT.
Trade Robinson for some wings/ shooting and ideally a stretch 4.
is absolutely laughable...Joakim Noah was basiclaly a point-center, in Minnesota he told Towns to shoot more 3s..
His offense is oredicated on iso and pick and roll/pop, with some backdoor stuff...He relies on his best players to make the right play, so whrn he has good players his teams play better offensively
Mitch having some untapped offensive game is laughable. How can anyone watch the games and come away thinking that? Hell, it’s a challenge for him to receive a pass in the post without fumbling the damn thing. He’s completely out of his element every time he touches the ball unless it’s him slamming down a pass to the rim
Because Thibs is holding him back, lol, sure ok.
Also, why are we comparing Kat to Charles fucking smith? I don’t know if Kat is the answer here but cmon, the two are completely different players from different eras. Smith was a decent (volume) low post scorer who could actually defend on a decent level. Kat is an elite offensive player who can score from anywhere on the court, including 3 land. Apples and oranges.
In the first major domino of free agency, Toronto Raptors All-Star guard Fred VanVleet has declined his $22.8 million player option and will become an unrestricted free agent in July, sources told ESPN on Monday.
VanVleet hasn't ruled out negotiating a new deal and a Raptors return, sources said, but he becomes one of the most prominent guards in the marketplace and an immediate target of teams with cap space and several contenders who'd welcome discussions on sign-and-trade scenarios with Toronto, sources said.
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Gonna say the quiet part loud: the Pelicans are about to be in tax hell, they know Portland wants a veteran wing for Dame, and going young now gives them an easier pivot if Zion keeps getting hurt. So my guess would be that these are Ingram for No. 3 talks.
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The Knicks should have access to the $12.2M non-taxpayer midlevel exception in free agency. They currently can't offer potential free agents a rotation spot for 2023-24. With that in mind, here's a look at a few players who could be available for NYK Link - ( New Window )
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Wake Forest freshman Bobi Klintman is withdrawing from the 2023 NBA draft, sources tell @TheAthletic
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Windy saying Beal will probably be traded before next week's draft
Knicks gotta be careful here if they're looking at this guy.
he's owed a ton and it's not like he's a top 10 player.
I guess the cap will rise so his money won't look "as" bad....but with the new CBA it's hard to have more than 2 of these guys on your team. So you're sorta committing to Beal and Brunson as your "big two" going forward. I know Brunson is not making a ton now but he's going to want a mega deal sooner rather than later
the cost for Beal and Lavine will be very different. Only reason the knicks should be in on beal is because of the cost.
yeah, the Wizards are likely going to tear down while nobody knows yet what the Bulls are planning. If the cost in outgoing assets for Beal is so cheap that you still have enough for another big deal, then it becomes something you have to consider. But again, is it even feasible to have Brunson, Beal and player TBD all on mega deals?
that since the Wiz are the local team for me i was a big Beal fan. But i dont think he makes any sense for the Knicks now. He has seemed to be trending in the wrong direction and that contract is beyond awful. Even when the cap goes up its still going to be an awful contract. Beal is a good player still, but he is paid like a top 10 guy and whether the injury stuff is flukey or not he has still played in like 90 games over the last couple seasons.
I do think the cost will be low, new guy there just wants to get out of that contract, but even at a low asset cost he still is going to eat up a ton of money. Id rather keep some financial flexibility.
That said if we do trade for him, id immediately talk myself into him playing 70+ games and getting his shooting stroke back by being on a much better team where he will get much better looks then he did on that crap wiz roster, ha.
yeah Beal's deal is worse and he's going to be far less likely
The Athletic recently polled 15 people who work in front offices across the NBA, asking what they would deem a “fair” extension for Quickley. Each partaker was given anonymity so that he could speak freely. Answers were all over the map. The largest proposed salary was $27.5 million — $110 million over four years. Three other people suggested nine-figure contracts: five years, $125 million; four years, $100 million; and five years, $100 million. On the low end, one person suggested four years, $50 million, less than what the midlevel exception will be worth. That person acknowledged Quickley agreeing to such a tiny number wasn’t realistic. His opinion becomes superfluous to this exercise once you realize that if the Knicks thought so meekly of Quickley, they would have traded him a long time ago.
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The IQ rumor, the KAT rumor, or both?
IQ and any Porzingis interest. I don’t think they pursue Towns either
Much appreciated.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
When was KP's last season where he was injruy free
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there would be a lot less pressure on him playing in NY and he can do what he does best, spread the floor..
He makes the Knicks a lot harder to guard and fits like a glove
Isn't that what Hartenstein was supposed to be but Thibs has him playing a completely different style? I agree with you that KP would give us a completely different skillset tahy we need but I have zero faith that Thibs will use him like that.
Yep, Coaches that make players change to adjust to their system,rather than adjusting their coaching style to meet the player's skill set,peak at a round of playoffs at best and never go further-that's Thibs in a nutshell!Thibs has a short shelf life,has everywhere he's been. Those that continually sing his praises need to realize he has a talented roster that isn't utilized fully. I think because of all the past chaos,the calmness he brought to the Knicks is often mistaken for him being a very good HC.As a Knicks fan of 60+ years,I certainly hope I'm wrong,but I don't believe Thibs can get them where they need to be while this roster & salary cap are at a point where they can maintain multiple high price talents & the time for that is getting shorter & shorter(see NBA's new CBA)!
When was KP's last season where he was injury free
It’s the NBA. It’s incredibly rare ANY player goes an entire season “injury free”. So asking when the last time KP did it is a bit disingenuous. KP played 9 more games than Mitch did this season and only 3 less than Brunson. He doesn’t need to be an iron man to surpass the availability of the Knicks current starting center…
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
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I would take a chance on him. He’s still incredibly talented stretch 5 and you can build a great offense around him and Brunson. I would do a Randle, Rose and 2 maybe 3 protected picks for him. Minny is backed in a corner right now.
You would have to reshape the roster and probably trade Mitch but it’s a gamble I would personally take if you are swapping Randle.
I bet golden state explores a trade with him.
If you've been a Knicks fan for awhile, the name Charles Smith should be familiar. KAT is the 21st century version of Charles Smith!
Towns is not my favorite player but he is 10x more talented that charles smith was
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
How'd Mitch do against the Cavs?
Yeah because he didnt have to leave the paint guarding Allen, as soon as he had to guard a mobile big he gkt dominated and the Heat just packed the paint..
Cavs packed the paint as well but they had no one who could guard Brunson
Again, Mitch's offensive game is predicated on the Thibs theory of offense. We constantly hear that in practice he's hitting 3's, has numerous low post moves,yet because Thibs has a concrete way his centers play,they get buried (see Hartenstein above). Sure,the defensive matchups for Mitch weren't good vs Miami, but if he was able to create offense & force a team to worry about him it would level the playing field. But, as long as Thibs is coach, it'll never happen. And,KAT won't make them better. He's marshmallow soft. The 21st century version of Charles Smith!
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
So Kats 40% from 3 wouodnt of helped against miami? is 5 assists a game wouldnt of helped against miami?
Mitch also got destoryed on the boards by miami and got torched by Bam, Mitch was a big problem..
Replacing him with a stretch 5 alleviates a big problem for this Knicks team
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You move Randle and Mitch.
It would open up space for RJ, Brunson and Quickley to go to the rimand to get Kat I don't think you need to move any of the kids.
Thibs would need to change his offensive philosophy completely which I am not sure he is capable of.
Why move Mitch? Swapping big men Randle for KAT I get because KAT isnt as ball dominant. But sacrificing Mitch's elite rim defense and stretch D is not worth it.
Because the whole point of gettjng Kat is to spread the court, Mitch killeed them avainst Miami, he adds nothing offensively..
Im just saying the swapping of Mitch for KAT is subbing one weakness for another.
Also Mitch easnt the problem against Miami. The problem was we couldnt hit shots even at a mediocre level and we turned the ball over like it was part of the game plan. Miami didnt beat us because Mitch couldnt score. We LOST because we couldnt hit shots and Miami had no reason to stretch from the paint to cover those shots where Mitch could grab ORBs and get put back opps.
I like KAT's offensive game better than Randle's, but I feel like swapping his offense for Mitch's defense is not just a wash, but a loss in what the Knicks do well IMO.
Brunson, Quickley and RJ even Grimes strength is going to the rim and/or paint pulling Mitch out of the middle and Kat pulling rim defenders away from the paint opens lanes for everyone.
The Knicks play an antiquated brand of basketball currently with Mitch on the floor. While defensively losing Mitch's rim protection is a big loss I would sacrifice it for better floor spacing.
Randle for KAT makes sense for the Knicks, but does it for Minny? I think it does as Randle will change the complexion of the team, give them a lot more toughness(in the regular season).
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
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who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
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who can barely hit the rim on free throws, should be shooting 3s? thats not on Thibs, thats on Mitch lol
Like you,I haven't seen it either. However,beat reporters continually write that we haven't seen Mitch's offensive game that he displays in practice.There was a reason he got pissed during the season because he never touches the ball except for dunks.As someone pointed out,why would the Wolves want Mitch when they have Gobert? And,as I've pointed out, KAT is one of the softest big men in the NBA. And after watching Charles Smith give away games in the '90's,I don't want another marshmallow in a Knicks uniform!
Which beat reporters? they dont get to watch practice, they watch like a 15 minute snippet of practice..
I have never seen a beat reporter say Mitch has more of an offensive game that he showz in prsctice
And I have. Can't remember which ones precisely,but numerous ones have written about what he shows in practice. Look,it's a moot point regardless as Thibs doesn't run plays for his center.I'll still take Mitch with all his alleged shortcomings over the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man KAT!
Mitch doesn’t have untapped offensive potential stop. He’s a good screener, finisher and rebounding- the best coaching staff in the world isn’t changing that.
And Hartenstein can’t shoot.
That has nothing to do with Thibs. Comical takes on here.
Trade Randle centered package for KAT.
Trade Robinson for some wings/ shooting and ideally a stretch 4.
His offense is oredicated on iso and pick and roll/pop, with some backdoor stuff...He relies on his best players to make the right play, so whrn he has good players his teams play better offensively
Because Thibs is holding him back, lol, sure ok.
Also, why are we comparing Kat to Charles fucking smith? I don’t know if Kat is the answer here but cmon, the two are completely different players from different eras. Smith was a decent (volume) low post scorer who could actually defend on a decent level. Kat is an elite offensive player who can score from anywhere on the court, including 3 land. Apples and oranges.
VanVleet hasn't ruled out negotiating a new deal and a Raptors return, sources said, but he becomes one of the most prominent guards in the marketplace and an immediate target of teams with cap space and several contenders who'd welcome discussions on sign-and-trade scenarios with Toronto, sources said.
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The Pelicans are expected to pursue the second or third overall pick in hopes of landing Scoot Henderson, per @ShamsCharania
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Gonna say the quiet part loud: the Pelicans are about to be in tax hell, they know Portland wants a veteran wing for Dame, and going young now gives them an easier pivot if Zion keeps getting hurt. So my guess would be that these are Ingram for No. 3 talks.
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The Knicks should have access to the $12.2M non-taxpayer midlevel exception in free agency. They currently can't offer potential free agents a rotation spot for 2023-24. With that in mind, here's a look at a few players who could be available for NYK
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Interesting link. But presumably if the Knicks make a major move it will open up a rotation spot.
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Wake Forest freshman Bobi Klintman is withdrawing from the 2023 NBA draft, sources tell @TheAthletic
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. He will now pursue alternative routes to the NBA, both domestic and abroad. Klintman is a projected lottery pick in the 2024 NBA Draft.
He does. Full no-trade.
Gotta think Miami, Philly and Knicks will kick tires.
Knicks gotta be careful here if they're looking at this guy.
he's owed a ton and it's not like he's a top 10 player.
I guess the cap will rise so his money won't look "as" bad....but with the new CBA it's hard to have more than 2 of these guys on your team. So you're sorta committing to Beal and Brunson as your "big two" going forward. I know Brunson is not making a ton now but he's going to want a mega deal sooner rather than later
Brunson
Beal
RJB
Randle
Mitch
Quick, Hart, McBride, Hartenstein, DiVincezo?
But i think if the price is cheap, you then have to tweak the roster more..it cant jist be Beal and expect to be contenders
LaVine is also cheaper.
He's owed 4/178 while Beal is owed 4/207 - which makes a difference with the new punitive tax rules.
yeah, the Wizards are likely going to tear down while nobody knows yet what the Bulls are planning. If the cost in outgoing assets for Beal is so cheap that you still have enough for another big deal, then it becomes something you have to consider. But again, is it even feasible to have Brunson, Beal and player TBD all on mega deals?
I do think the cost will be low, new guy there just wants to get out of that contract, but even at a low asset cost he still is going to eat up a ton of money. Id rather keep some financial flexibility.
That said if we do trade for him, id immediately talk myself into him playing 70+ games and getting his shooting stroke back by being on a much better team where he will get much better looks then he did on that crap wiz roster, ha.
Brunson has a player option for the last year, I think so the Knicks will have to pay him in two years, I'd guess.
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