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robbieballs2003 : 6/9/2023 11:34 am
There is this new rumor. Hmmm.
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DanMetroMan : 6/14/2023 12:08 pm : link

League wondering about Zion Williamson's availability in trades
Brian Windhorst: The Pelicans have had some cursory discussions. From what I’ve been told, there haven’t been any offers made necessarily yet, but it makes you really not take too far of a leap to wonder… The league is certainly wondering if the Pelicans are going to make for the first time truly Zion Williamson available ahead of next week’s draft.
if the Knicks were gonna trade for a guy from the Pelicans  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2023 12:13 pm : link
I'd much rather it be Trey Murphy
Via betonline.og  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2023 12:44 pm : link
RE: if the Knicks were gonna trade for a guy from the Pelicans  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2023 12:45 pm : link
In comment 16133061 Greg from LI said:
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I'd much rather it be Trey Murphy

That Zion/RJ reunion doesn’t have you feeling all warm and fuzzy?
RE: Via betonline.og  
Heisenberg : 6/14/2023 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16133079 DanMetroMan said:
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The odds of the Knicks getting him are too high for my liking.
Russell makes  
Enzo : 6/14/2023 1:06 pm : link
zero sense for us.
sounds like talks have started  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2023 1:09 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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ESPN Sources: As rivals begin reaching out to the Wizards to explore possibility of trading for All-Star guard Bradley Beal, president Michael Winger and Beal’s agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports are staying in close contact to discuss scenarios presented to franchise.
Hahn was pretty vocal  
Enzo : 6/14/2023 1:13 pm : link
about being in favor of bringing Beal to NY...which makes me wonder if he knew something might be happening.

Is there a point where the cost of players/picks going to Washington for Beal is so low that the contract becomes easier to swallow?

RE: Hahn was pretty vocal  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16133108 Enzo said:
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about being in favor of bringing Beal to NY...which makes me wonder if he knew something might be happening.

Is there a point where the cost of players/picks going to Washington for Beal is so low that the contract becomes easier to swallow?


In fairness, he also was very vocal about them going after Westbrook (which obviously never happened and no real indication there was any traction there).
No Beal,  
Ron Johnson : 6/19/2023 10:12 am : link
Who's the next target?
Complete  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 10:19 am : link
guess is LaVine is the guy they end up with *if* they make a major move. Doesn't sound like KP is on their radar and Lillard isn't coming. Decent buzz they are interested in KAT but I doubt it.

-Does seem like greater than 50% chance Zion is traded somewhere, Portland? Charlotte?
LaVine???  
AROCK1000 : 6/19/2023 10:27 am : link
why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???
RE: LaVine???  
KayvonOjulari515 : 6/19/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16135394 AROCK1000 said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???


LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
RE: RE: LaVine???  
AROCK1000 : 6/19/2023 10:37 am : link
In comment 16135395 KayvonOjulari515 said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???



LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.

Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.
RE: RE: RE: LaVine???  
AROCK1000 : 6/19/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16135399 AROCK1000 said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???



LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.


Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.

Where there is smoke there is usually fire-no thanks
RE: RE: RE: LaVine???  
KayvonOjulari515 : 6/19/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16135399 AROCK1000 said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???



LaVine played 77 games last year. He’s a dynamic, three level scorer who is also very efficient. Brunson and LaVine would instantly become one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He’s also 6 foot 5 and, thus, is a much better fit for the Knicks than Mitchell who is 6 foot 1 and plays no defense. His teammates hate him? I have no idea where you’re getting that from.


Perhaps I am mistaken about his teammates,but I seem to recall that he had issues in the past.
i agree Mitchell would have been a mistake.
DeJounte Murray was the one who got away IMHO.


The Hawks were bad last year with Murray playing next to Trae Young, a similar point guard to Brunson. The cost for Murray wasn’t worth it. LaVine is a much better scorer and outside shooter. I don’t know if LaVine is available and, if he is, what the cost would be. However, look at his numbers. They are incredibly efficient and impressive for a shooting guard. In 2021, he averaged 27 points a game while shooting better than 50%. That’s really impressive. He’s the anti-Melo.
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 10:48 am : link
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The Warriors and Suns discussed a potential deal centered around Chris Paul before he was dealt to the Wizards, per @ShamsCharania


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RE: LaVine???  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16135394 AROCK1000 said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???


I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...

Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:06 am : link
gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.
Doesnt the wizards pick turn into a second eventually?  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2023 11:13 am : link
Usually that's how it works. But yeah, not as good an asset anymore.
RE: Not  
Sean : 6/19/2023 11:13 am : link
In comment 16135418 DanMetroMan said:
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.

It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.
RE: RE: Not  
KayvonOjulari515 : 6/19/2023 11:17 am : link
In comment 16135421 Sean said:
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.


It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades. [/quote

Nobody knows where the Bucks will be in 2025. It’s possible their run is coming to an end and Giannis could eventually ask out. That could definitely turn into a lottery pick. While the Wizards will be really bad in the immediate future, nobody knows what kind of team they’ll have in 2026. These picks all still have some degree of value. The Knicks also have a lot of young talented players on good contracts that have a lot of value all over the league. The Knicks are in the best spot they’ve been in the last 25 years.
RE: Doesnt the wizards pick turn into a second eventually?  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:18 am : link
In comment 16135420 Heisenberg said:
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Usually that's how it works. But yeah, not as good an asset anymore.


Eventually it becomes a 2026 and 2027 2nd round pick but you can pick up 2nd round picks like it's going out of style
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:22 am : link

The Clippers are indeed interested in pursuing Chris Paul, according to a league source not authorized to speak publicly about another team’s player. The Clippers are evaluating what it would take to acquire Paul, who must first decide if he is open to staying in Washington. Bleacher Report’s Chris Haynes was first to report LA’s interest in trading for Paul.
– via Law Murray @ The Athletic
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nygiants16 : 6/19/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 16135421 Sean said:
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gonna lie, the fact the Wizards pick isn't likely to ever convey does suck.


It’s why I think all of this draft pick “assets” are a bit overrated. They should get the Dallas pick next year which probably is mid teens. The Bucks pick is most likely in the twenty’s in 2025. I mean, it’s okay I guess. But I think it’s been overrated by some here. Not sure these picks move the needle much in trades.


The Knicks unprotected picks are the most valuable, and the protected picks value is allowing Knicks to trade more unprotected picks..
Simmons  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:40 am : link
believes Zion will be traded this week.
RE: Simmons  
Knickstape : 6/19/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16135436 DanMetroMan said:
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believes Zion will be traded this week.



I know the injury history of zion but man if ever you were gonna gamble i think this would be the time with zion, when healthy ( i know a big if ) he was producing like a top 5-7 with MVP potential
Wonder what the cost would be i know the rumors are pelicans are dangling him to try and get into top 3 from either charlotte or portland
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:53 am : link
rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 11:56 am : link
as if most teams are moving Scoot to #2 on their boards.
Draymond  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:05 pm : link
Green opting out
RE: RE: LaVine???  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2023 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16135411 DanMetroMan said:
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why is everyone slurping this guy who is injured alot,and his teammates hate???



I don't know about slurping but he's flat out been better than Bradley Beal over the last few seasons and is 2 years younger...

Beal is viewed as this A1 superstar but over his last 2 seasons 18.7 PER/.074 WS/48. RAPTOR WAR this season #109. I'm not "obsessed" with LaVine BUT...19.5 PER/.122 WS/48 (last 2) #56 player by RAPTOR in 2023.

Beal is possibly the most overrated player in the league. It's been years since he shot a respectable % from 3, about to turn 30, often injured and the worst contract in the league. People seem to anchor on the two seasons he was a 30ppg scorer but we're two years removed from that and it's been 5 years since he played more than 60 games in a season.

Imo Lavine is the better player (both are poor on D but Lavine is the better of the two), on the better contract and while he's had his own injury issues his age makes me more confident that he can stay healthy moving forward.
Lets  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:28 pm : link
put it this way, and maybe this shouldn't be the baseline but I think the Knicks beat Miami if LaVine is out there vs. RJB.
RE: Hot  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16135443 DanMetroMan said:
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol




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@TheNBACentral
The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA


“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”
RE: Lets  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2023 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16135454 DanMetroMan said:
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put it this way, and maybe this shouldn't be the baseline but I think the Knicks beat Miami if LaVine is out there vs. RJB.


Yup and Rj played well but he wasnt a threat from 3, Miami packed the paint..
Patience  
AROCK1000 : 6/19/2023 12:50 pm : link
Is a four letter word for us Knick fans,but we can't jump at each shiny object that shows up.
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.
RE: Hot  
djm : 6/19/2023 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16135443 DanMetroMan said:
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol


Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?
RE: Patience  
KayvonOjulari515 : 6/19/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16135461 AROCK1000 said:
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Is a four letter word for us Knick fans,but we can't jump at each shiny object that shows up.
Neither LaVine nor Beal would be a good fit here,and would likely strap us cap wise.
I am not sure which potential FA/Trade would fit,but I prefer to build the team the correct way.
So far no deal that has occurred feels like our Front Office missed.
DeJounte Murray was a 20/6/5 guy last year and we all know what a Defensive stopper he is....
That team just fell apart,I don't think that is his fault.


Murray can’t shoot. You’d be adding another guard who can’t shoot. He’s not what the Knicks need at all. The Knicks have solid defensive guards in Grimes and Hart. Murray is the type of player you add to a team that already has 3 good outside shooters on the floor, which the Knicks don’t have. Murray is a terrible fit on the Knicks. LaVine would be much better. The Knicks didn’t beat the Heat because they couldn’t make outside shots, which is something Murray can’t do either.
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16135462 djm said:
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol



Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?


So you weren't... lol
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Strahan91 : 6/19/2023 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16135456 DanMetroMan said:
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol





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@TheNBACentral
The Blazers reportedly prefer Zion Williamson over Brandon Ingram in a potential trade for the No. 3 pick, per @KevinOConnorNBA


“My sense from league sources is that Portland’s preference is Williamson, who’d be a weapon in the pick-and-roll and in handoffs alongside Damian Lillard (should he stick around) and Shaedon Sharpe.”

One thing I haven't seen discussed much is that if it's true that Zion doesn't want to be in New Orleans, why would he be happier/try harder in Portland or Charlotte? That alone would make me nervous about dealing a Scoot Henderson plus for him.
if LaVine isn't a good fit here  
djm : 6/19/2023 12:54 pm : link
who is? We need a lethal shooting wing here, badly. LaVine is that and probably more. He's the best (available) shooting wing in the game right now. Fine, he's not Scottie Pippen on D but who is that is also available?

Knicks haven't had a shooting wing like LaVine since Allen Houston had 2 working knees.
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djm : 6/19/2023 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16135465 DanMetroMan said:
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rumor is Charlotte is the likely destination but if you're Portland, how do you not swing for the fences here? Dame has 2 years left on his deal and is still awesome but about to be 33. Lillard/Zion/Sharpe/Simons/Knox would give the Blazers a very interesting core.... okay I just threw Knox in there to see if you were paying attention lol



Lol...is there a new Knox in the NBA I don't know about?



So you weren't... lol


I was! I just had to say it. I read the whole post and knew you were kidding.
We  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:57 pm : link
will always have Summer League Kevin Knox. Looked like a young KD.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 12:58 pm : link
Shams, Lillard has told the Blazers he does not want to be traded.
Lavine definitely would be an improvement over RJ  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2023 1:03 pm : link
and I'm an RJ defender. Lavine is a pretty elite scorer and would also benefit from playing with Brunson. RJ is just too inconsistent and I don't think he'll ever be a good shooter. If you could keep Grimes and send RJ, a Lavine deal makes some sense depending on the cost.


RE: We  
djm : 6/19/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16135470 DanMetroMan said:
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will always have Summer League Kevin Knox. Looked like a young KD.


It was the best of times it was the worst of times.
I can't shake this feeling of optimism  
djm : 6/19/2023 1:13 pm : link
that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.

And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 1:20 pm : link
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Report: Portland Trail Blazers dangling No. 23 pick in hopes of finding help for Damian Lillard
RE: I can't shake this feeling of optimism  
KayvonOjulari515 : 6/19/2023 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16135475 djm said:
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that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.

And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.


The RJ situation is a tough one. I thought he played the best basketball of his career after the first two games of the Cleveland. He drove to the basket and finished with authority. His outside shot was still inconsistent, and he had a bad Game 6 against the Heat. Do you believe RJ has turned a corner and can develop into a 38% shoot three point shooter or is it possible that the playoffs this season will make RJ Barrett's trade value higher than it ever will be? I personally don't think RJ will ever be a good enough outside shooter. I would trade him as the centerpiece in a package for LaVine who is a far better offensive player.
Jordan  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2023 1:48 pm : link
Goodwin is a sneaky solid pickup for the Suns in the Beal trade. I would not be surprised to see him provide Phoenix with some quality minutes off the bench this season.
RE: I can't shake this feeling of optimism  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2023 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16135475 djm said:
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that RJ has truly found his stroke and delivery. If you glance at the stats they don't reflect that. He shot 43% from the field, 31% from 3 during the regular season. 43% from the field, 32% from 3 during the postseason. Identical. But he was 6-25 those first 2 games followed by 65-139 the rest of the way.

And now that I type that out it still feels like weird sample sizes to prove something that may not exist. I don't know, he just looked more comfortable shooting and scoring after those first 2 playoff games and they said RJ did tinker with his release point. It looked to me like that change in his shot really worked. But who knows.


I felt better about RJ after the postseason than I ever felt about him during his first four seasons. He really stepped up and played big time basketball in big spots, including carrying the team at times in multiple games. His overall numbers were weighed down by three bad games, but he was very good overall. I would need a no doubt top of the sport star to consider trading him. (For example, Bradley Beal wasn’t that.)
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