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Strong Safety: Who will step up?

Angel Eyes : 6/9/2023 8:57 pm
Xavier McKinney's best spot appears to be at free safety, so which other safety can fill the other spot left by Julian Love's departure?

There's a few cornerback/safety hybrids on the roster in Jason Pinnock, Bobby McCain, and Gervarrius Owens, who profile as free safety types. Trenton Thompson and Alex Cook are undrafted players looking for backup roles. Then there's Dane Belton. Judging from what scouting reports are on him, I would say Belton has the best skillset for a traditional strong safety since he played a linebacker/safety hybrid role in college as a box defender and made splashes with a couple interceptions. However, he's had collarbone problems which hampered him throughout 2022 and doesn't have as good range.

If Belton can develop more, I'd keep McKinney at free safety, Belton as strong safety, and Pinnock as the primary nickel. If he doesn't, McKinney will have to play strong safety and the free safety will likely be a rotational position.
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I hope McKinney can handle it.  
robbieballs2003 : 6/9/2023 9:02 pm : link
I know we all want him to work out but he has to stay healthy and improve. This is a HUGE year for him. I know this isn't the best example but I was at the game when he came back from his injury. His angles as a deep safety were bad. He missed a handful of plays in that game playing deep. Again, not the best example because of the time off but he just has to be better. He hasn't been bad but we have expected more from him. I don't think it is a guarantee he is resigned. Thomas is 100% the priority now. I think McKinney is on a prove it year.
RE: I hope McKinney can handle it.  
Bill in UT : 6/9/2023 9:11 pm : link
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I know we all want him to work out but he has to stay healthy and improve. This is a HUGE year for him. I know this isn't the best example but I was at the game when he came back from his injury. His angles as a deep safety were bad. He missed a handful of plays in that game playing deep. Again, not the best example because of the time off but he just has to be better. He hasn't been bad but we have expected more from him. I don't think it is a guarantee he is resigned. Thomas is 100% the priority now. I think McKinney is on a prove it year.
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This. I've said the same thing repeatedly. Good player, not yet elite
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Toth029 : 6/9/2023 9:19 pm : link
They elect to use McKinney as the box, or cover TE kind of player I feel they could use someone like Belton or McCain deep. Owens reportedly has good ball skills and athleticism but lacks the punch as a run support kind of player.

That kid from ODU was drafted as a corner but his makeup gives me a future S vibe.
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section125 : 6/9/2023 9:41 pm : link
In comment 16130818 Toth029 said:
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They elect to use McKinney as the box, or cover TE kind of player I feel they could use someone like Belton or McCain deep. Owens reportedly has good ball skills and athleticism but lacks the punch as a run support kind of player.

That kid from ODU was drafted as a corner but his makeup gives me a future S vibe.


I thought Owens was a thumper?
Is he changing positions from last year?  
rasbutant : 6/9/2023 10:49 pm : link
Love played opposite him right? Aren’t we looking for a Love replacement who replaced Logan Ryan. Both former CB.

Are we really looking for a thumper???
RE: Is he changing positions from last year?  
DonnieD89 : 6/9/2023 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16130855 rasbutant said:
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Love played opposite him right? Aren’t we looking for a Love replacement who replaced Logan Ryan. Both former CB.

Are we really looking for a thumper???


I think Wink wants his safeties to be more position-less to disguise his schemes, one who could play both positions.
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TrevorC : 6/9/2023 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16130858 DonnieD89 said:
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Love played opposite him right? Aren’t we looking for a Love replacement who replaced Logan Ryan. Both former CB.

Are we really looking for a thumper???



I think Wink wants his safeties to be more position-less to disguise his schemes, one who could play both positions.


This is why Pinnock is so valuable to this team. I thought he brought more to the table than Love last year in his fairly brief time. Better in coverage...jad no problem letting Love walk especially after seeing the money he got.
good thread -  
Del Shofner : 6/10/2023 12:12 am : link
I think we have some good DB personnel but how Wink is going to use them remains to be seen. Obviously replacing Love is key, but how that's going to be done is of great interest. I agree with those saying we have some S/CB and S/LB hybrids on the roster. I think the CBs on the wings will be on islands, but how the middle works - looking forward to seeing how Wink handles it. Hopefully we have the horses to be better than last year.
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Ira : 6/10/2023 4:54 am : link
In comment 16130818 Toth029 said:
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They elect to use McKinney as the box, or cover TE kind of player I feel they could use someone like Belton or McCain deep. Owens reportedly has good ball skills and athleticism but lacks the punch as a run support kind of player.

That kid from ODU was drafted as a corner but his makeup gives me a future S vibe.


Good thought. Love was also drafted as a corner. Experience at corner is useful at safety for the right kind of player.
The safety depth chart has a lot of CB experience.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/10/2023 6:12 am : link
Bobby McCain began his pro career at corner before moving in his second year with the Dolphins. Jason Pinnock played corner at Pitt, then moved to safety as a Jet. Gervarrius Owens has a CB background too.

Nick McCloud is still nominally a CB, but he got some safety reps in OTAs; my guess is they would like him to be a game-day backup at multiple DB positions so he can dress primarily for special teams. As others have noted, Tre Hawkins and Leonard Johnson are strong tacklers who might eventually project to safety as well.

Dane Belton would seem to be in a different category, since he was a safety/linebacker hybrid at Iowa; but he does at least have the straight-line speed to play deep.
Rookies Tre Hawkins and G. Owens  
bluefin : 6/10/2023 6:22 am : link
will be in the mix, both are fast and hard hitting - the safety group will be interesting to watch
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Angel Eyes : 6/10/2023 9:53 am : link
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They elect to use McKinney as the box, or cover TE kind of player I feel they could use someone like Belton or McCain deep. Owens reportedly has good ball skills and athleticism but lacks the punch as a run support kind of player.

That kid from ODU was drafted as a corner but his makeup gives me a future S vibe.



I thought Owens was a thumper?

Thumper could mean "hitter", the question with Owens appears to be his tackling ability.
Likely  
RicFlair : 6/10/2023 10:28 am : link
McCain.
early  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/10/2023 12:18 pm : link
signs point to McCain.

However, I do believe they like Belton quite a bit and he is probably the longer-term prospect.
I would keep XMan  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/10/2023 1:55 pm : link
away from SS, he does not fit the traditional prototype - although obviously in this modern day passing league with a versatile D it's somewhat academic.
McCain, Belton or Pinnock most likely.  
BigBlueNH : 6/10/2023 11:56 pm : link
I'll bet Belton, on the hope that he'll play better than 2nd half last year, if fully healthy. But I think all 3 will see time there.
All have better than average physical profiles for the position  
Bob in Newburgh : 6/11/2023 11:53 am : link
So it will come down to who actually becomes the best player.

Do not discount Pinnock just because the Jets waived him. Someone had to go to get to 53 and the GM or HC had political capital tied up in the stupid, washed-up veteran re-sign that they did at S.
McCloud  
Dankbeerman : 6/12/2023 12:38 pm : link
ia the guy I see taking Loves role. Remember he was a bit of a utility role. McCloud has Coverage ability and can play up in the box. He blitzes well, not sure how much he helps in run support.

With more Corners in the Mix maybe he takes Loves role and Pinock and Belton rotate in that 3rd S / hybrid LB slot we use jefferaon and collins in
I'm not worried  
Paulie Walnuts : 6/12/2023 2:32 pm : link
This staff with improved talent will improve both the run defense and the pass defense
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