One of the suggested landing places in this article is the Giants. It says you can rescind the franchise tag on Barkley and get Cook at a cheaper price. I do not think that is happening, but thought I would post this to see how others felt.
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In comment 16130911 joeinpa said:
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In comment 16130907 robbieballs2003 said:
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If that was going to happen, it would have happened already. I doubt anybody would give up a 2nd. Read the market. Teams aren't paying these guys so why would they give up premium picks too?
I think you might be right. But considering what the Niners gave up for McCafferty, a 2,3, and 4 at age 26, what do you believe the Giants could garner in a trade for Saquon?
In my opinion nothing close to that. First CMC is just better. And their health issues are roughly the same. More importantly, SF got CM for 2 years at $5.5 per year. Then one more year at $11.8MM (he will be cut or take a pay cut). I would trade something for SB if I had him locked in at a below market contract. Not so much if I have to figure out his contract and he wants $15MMish. His trade value is about the same as DeAndre Hopkins. Or Dalvin Cook.
Their health issues are not really the same. McCaffrey missed a large portion of 2 seasons before he was traded. He played 3 games and 7 games in the 2 seasons before he was traded. I think CMC is better, but I don't think it's by much and I agree about the contract situations. The Panthers ate some of that money(Signing bonus) which made it easier and less risky for the 9ers to stomach it.
At best, I think the Giants can get a 3 and 5 or something like that.
No one is giving up anything for Barkley because he can't be traded. He is not under contract.
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In comment 16130965 JoeyBigBlue said:
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For team morale? Barkley is respected and loved by his teammates.
His teammates understand it's a business and Im sure are aware with whats happening with backs around the league as far as contracts. They also have seen the contracts they have handed out to DJ and Dex. I doubt its a morale thing. In fact, they might look at Barkley a little bit differently because he is turning up his nose at 10 mill for the year when no other back got that this offseason.
They offered him 13 million per year. While we don't know the guarantees, those that hypothesize that maybe the Giants offered him 3/36 with 8 gtd are stretching. There is no way they would make that offer if they were serious about keeping Barkley who has 3 1k rushing seasons in 5 years (1 cut short to injury). More than likely they made a fair offer with at least half gtd and incentives that could make him top hos value and he was convinced he could get more.
Im sure the lockerroom is just fine with whats going on.
So his teammates are looking down on him because Barkley is using the only leverage he has to get a long term contract????? Lol the shit I read on BBI.
That isnt close to what I said. Whoa, the way people read on BBI.
I was saying that his teammates are probably saying the same thing all of us are....basically when they talk about what they read about what he turned down, that he is silly for turning that down given what has happened to the market.
Good try tho.
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
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In comment 16130911 joeinpa said:
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In comment 16130907 robbieballs2003 said:
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If that was going to happen, it would have happened already. I doubt anybody would give up a 2nd. Read the market. Teams aren't paying these guys so why would they give up premium picks too?
I think you might be right. But considering what the Niners gave up for McCafferty, a 2,3, and 4 at age 26, what do you believe the Giants could garner in a trade for Saquon?
In my opinion nothing close to that. First CMC is just better. And their health issues are roughly the same. More importantly, SF got CM for 2 years at $5.5 per year. Then one more year at $11.8MM (he will be cut or take a pay cut). I would trade something for SB if I had him locked in at a below market contract. Not so much if I have to figure out his contract and he wants $15MMish. His trade value is about the same as DeAndre Hopkins. Or Dalvin Cook.
Their health issues are not really the same. McCaffrey missed a large portion of 2 seasons before he was traded. He played 3 games and 7 games in the 2 seasons before he was traded. I think CMC is better, but I don't think it's by much and I agree about the contract situations. The Panthers ate some of that money(Signing bonus) which made it easier and less risky for the 9ers to stomach it.
At best, I think the Giants can get a 3 and 5 or something like that.
No one is giving up anything for Barkley because he can't be traded. He is not under contract.
Semantics. He'd have to sign the FT and agree to a new deal.
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
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In comment 16131001 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
I dont think you are understanding me and I dont know why you are cursing at me. The idea that we would franchise SB TWICE is absurd. Guaranteeing him almost 25 miloion dollars for 2 seasons of work is not very smart fiscally. Hell we could just offer that in a contract with the money spread out and not have to deal with the tag beef altogether.
I truly don't get the aggression in your post. But we dont have any options better than SB returning as our starting RB this year, and thats why he hasnt had the tag yanked yet.
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Dalvin Cook completed two years of a five year, $63m contract. One day teams will just stop the extensions at the position.
This is a spot on observation. There's just too much evidence 5-6 years is the shelf life of a back.
It’s not going to happen, it already has. This is why the market for RB’s has plummeted, nobody is giving them that kind of money any more.
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In comment 16131001 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
What evidence do you see that ANY RB will get that kind of money on the open market? Every bit of evidence suggests he won’t, so I’m not sure you should be accusing anyone of not knowing what they’re talking about.
SB’s agents totally misread the market, and now they are compounding it by turning down a better offer than any other RB is getting.
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In comment 16131001 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
What evidence do you see that ANY RB will get that kind of money on the open market? Every bit of evidence suggests he won’t, so I’m not sure you should be accusing anyone of not knowing what they’re talking about.
SB’s agents totally misread the market, and now they are compounding it by turning down a better offer than any other RB is getting.
Miles Sanders got a 4 year 25 million dollar contract with 13 million guaranteed. Saquon is a superior player in every aspect of football to Miles Sanders. If you don’t think he’d get more than 13 million guaranteed, than you are out of your mind.
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
What evidence do you see that ANY RB will get that kind of money on the open market? Every bit of evidence suggests he won’t, so I’m not sure you should be accusing anyone of not knowing what they’re talking about.
SB’s agents totally misread the market, and now they are compounding it by turning down a better offer than any other RB is getting.
Miles Sanders got a 4 year 25 million dollar contract with 13 million guaranteed. Saquon is a superior player in every aspect of football to Miles Sanders. If you don’t think he’d get more than 13 million guaranteed, than you are out of your mind.
An AAV of $6M is not equal to $12M, which was what was quoted in the post I responded to. Yes, SB is better than Sanders, and will get paid more, but it won’t be a $12M per deal.
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
What evidence do you see that ANY RB will get that kind of money on the open market? Every bit of evidence suggests he won’t, so I’m not sure you should be accusing anyone of not knowing what they’re talking about.
SB’s agents totally misread the market, and now they are compounding it by turning down a better offer than any other RB is getting.
Miles Sanders got a 4 year 25 million dollar contract with 13 million guaranteed. Saquon is a superior player in every aspect of football to Miles Sanders. If you don’t think he’d get more than 13 million guaranteed, than you are out of your mind.
An AAV of $6M is not equal to $12M, which was what was quoted in the post I responded to. Yes, SB is better than Sanders, and will get paid more, but it won’t be a $12M per deal.
AAV doesn’t matter here, what’s important is the guarantees. We don’t know what the Giants offered in guaranteed money. If it was less than 22 million, then I don’t blame Barkley for not signing.
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In comment 16130907 robbieballs2003 said:
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If that was going to happen, it would have happened already. I doubt anybody would give up a 2nd. Read the market. Teams aren't paying these guys so why would they give up premium picks too?
I think you might be right. But considering what the Niners gave up for McCafferty, a 2,3, and 4 at age 26, what do you believe the Giants could garner in a trade for Saquon?
In my opinion nothing close to that. First CMC is just better. And their health issues are roughly the same. More importantly, SF got CM for 2 years at $5.5 per year. Then one more year at $11.8MM (he will be cut or take a pay cut). I would trade something for SB if I had him locked in at a below market contract. Not so much if I have to figure out his contract and he wants $15MMish. His trade value is about the same as DeAndre Hopkins. Or Dalvin Cook.
That s really a good answer, thanks
Barkley was a huge part of the offense. Not just his 1650 yds and 11 TDs, but also his decoys which opened up runs for Jones and got JAGS like James open for slants. What the guy did with every defense basically keyed up to just stop him is impressive. Its not like Cook where he is a change of pace to throwing to their WRs.
Numerous options and paths. Higher priorities elsewhere.
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In comment 16131001 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 16131000 robbieballs2003 said:
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The deadline to sign a long term deal is July 17th. That is fast approaching. If not, it is either play on the tag or holdout and get tagged again next year. If he plays on the tag then he runs the risk of screwing up his long term earnings with his injury history. Tick tock.
We don’t know what the Giants offered Barkley in terms of guarantees. On the tag he’s due 10 mill this year and 12 mill next year. That’s 22 million guaranteed. If the Giants offered less than 22 mill guaranteed he has no incentive to sign here. He’ll just play on his 10 mill this year, and take the 12 next year or go to free agency.
We are not tagging him 2 years in a row. If he signs the tag he gets 0 this year, after that, buena suerte and draft another next year.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. If he signs the tag he gets 10 mill this year. If he’s not franchised next offseason, he becomes a free agent and he will get more than 12 mill guaranteed (assuming he stays healthy like he did in 2022).
Also why can’t the Giants tag him two years in a row. It’s the perfect strategy if you don’t want to sign him long term and guarantee him more than 22 mill he’s owed the next two years on the franchise tag.
I think it is possible but unlikely he gets a second tag. First he has to stay healthy and play as well as he did for the first half of last year for the whole year. I am hopeful for the first, but think the second is unlikely. Even then, in the current market, I am not convinced he is worth the FT. All pro level and healthy sure. But he hasn't managed that since 2018. And I don't think he gets $12MM guaranteed on the open market if he is not FT. Dalvin Cook won't, in my opinion. And SB is not that much better than Dalvin Cook. We will see. I hope he has a monster season and we give him a great contract next year.