NFT: Mets @ Arizona: Game 1 - Scherzer vs. Davies - 4:10 pm EDT

I'd love to have hope, but it's quite a hole the Mets find themselves in....

Really hard to wrap my head around the idea that the Met's are out of it on July 4th...never could have imagined.

Pitching has been better of late, but so many guys having bad years; Marte, McNeil, Ottivino, JVL...Alanso and Lindor in some ways.

Plus the kids, exciting as they are, inevitably have their ups and downs.

And then there's the bullpen.

Arizona is good, SD talented (having a season like the Mets), so a 4-2 road trip would very welcome.

Max gives them the best chance to win these days....

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Mets @ Diamondbacks | 4:10 pm ET start - July 4, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - SNY: Gary & Keith (volokit2.com)

Mets @ Diamondbacks | 4:10 pm ET start - July 4, 2023 - TV Broadcast: Diamondbacks' feed (volokit2.com)

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Note: Ron's not doing the game today.

Enjoy :-)

and you have Senga starting today. Which is it?

Thanks

In comment 16143462 dannysection 313 said:

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I'd love to have hope, but it's quite a hole the Mets find themselves in.... Really hard to wrap my head around the idea that the Met's are out of it on July 4th...never could have imagined. Pitching has been better of late, but so many guys having bad years; Marte, McNeil, Ottivino, JVL...Alanso and Lindor in some ways. Plus the kids, exciting as they are, inevitably have their ups and downs. And then there's the bullpen. Arizona is good, SD talented (having a season like the Mets), so a 4-2 road trip would very welcome. Max gives them the best chance to win these days....

I hear you. The D-Backs aren't chumps either:


The Padres are the same as the Mets. It's a really important road trip that'll affect how the Mets evaluate their situation during the All-Star Break.

It only took Buck 3 weeks to notice that Tommy Pham was on a hot streak......nice that he switched lineup spots with Marte.

Let's see if his old Baltimore Buddy DJ Stewart can pick up where Mendick failed so spectacularly.

LFGM !!

In comment 16143464 SJGiant said:

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and you have Senga starting today. Which is it? Thanks

They switched it to Scherzer. I'll post the proper image below. Thanks for the correction.


Starting Pitcher matchups in Arizona today and tomorrow

They switched it up to give Kodai an extra day.

He gives up about a HR per game. His last start was great though and the ball carries in is park, so it's not unexpected. Good to have a look at this Carroll kid. If Max gives us 6 innings and only gives up 2 runs, then there isn't anything to really complain about at the end of the day.

P.S. It's dumbfounding how badly the 1st inning has gone so far for the Mets all season, isn't it?

games back from first.

The 2023 Mets are 8 games under and 19 games back (lol) on July 4th. And the Mets refuse to make any changes. Not even remotely the same situation. This season is done.

But I do look forward to Eppler continuing to overpay for ineffective relief pitchers.

Here are some roster moves the Mets made before the game today:

The Mets are sans Mendick...



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maybe turning an actual corner?

vogelbach 0-2 and heading towards the interstate. just get the DFA over with.

Pete made a TWIB highlight play! Great job robbing Carroll of a deuce there. Great job by Scherz of getting to 1B too.

that is an error in little league

how can we get jeff brigham on an opponent's roster?

one of if not the longest homer of the year for a met.

Buck doesn't use Robertson. Trevor Gott time could be upon us!!!

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Robertson wasn't perfect, but he got it done. The Mets have won three in a row for the first time in over a month.


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6 or 7 straight and they might get back in this thing..

would love to see the Mets do a bit of a hybrid deadline. Trade Vogelbach, Canha, and Carrasco for anything and activate Mauricio and Vientos.

Then also add a couple of relievers for non premium prospects.

Get Quintana and eventually Diaz back.

Let the chips land where they may.

In comment 16143512 ZGiants98 said:

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would love to see the Mets do a bit of a hybrid deadline. Trade Vogelbach, Canha, and Carrasco for anything and activate Mauricio and Vientos. Then also add a couple of relievers for non premium prospects. Get Quintana and eventually Diaz back. Let the chips land where they may.

You mean play the most talented players?? Seems pretty logical.

daniel vogelbach did not. he did get pinch run for because he's clinically obese which forced dj stewart up for an important bases loaded at bat in the 8th.

In comment 16143470 CooperDash said:

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games back from first. The 2023 Mets are 8 games under and 19 games back (lol) on July 4th. And the Mets refuse to make any changes. Not even remotely the same situation. This season is done. But I do look forward to Eppler continuing to overpay for ineffective relief pitchers.

I kind of remembered that the Nats were 12 under much, much earlier, but hey, looking for any reason to have hope, I suppose.

Also, the Voglebach situation has gotten to the absurd stage. What could they possibly be thinking in continuing to run him out there as their DH 2/3 of the time?

I mean if you don't want to give Vientos the AB's, isn't Canha a much better option that Vogelbach? Forget the lefty/righty thing, Canha gives a competitive at bat most of the time, can run a whole lot bettor than Voglebach, etc.

Mind boggling, but I'm preaching to the choir here.

In comment 16143532 dannysection 313 said:

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In comment 16143470 CooperDash said: Quote: games back from first. The 2023 Mets are 8 games under and 19 games back (lol) on July 4th. And the Mets refuse to make any changes. Not even remotely the same situation. This season is done. But I do look forward to Eppler continuing to overpay for ineffective relief pitchers. I kind of remembered that the Nats were 12 under much, much earlier, but hey, looking for any reason to have hope, I suppose. Also, the Voglebach situation has gotten to the absurd stage. What could they possibly be thinking in continuing to run him out there as their DH 2/3 of the time? I mean if you don't want to give Vientos the AB's, isn't Canha a much better option that Vogelbach? Forget the lefty/righty thing, Canha gives a competitive at bat most of the time, can run a whole lot bettor than Voglebach, etc. Mind boggling, but I'm preaching to the choir here.

This is what happens when the priority isn't about winning. Common sense is thrown to the wind. Eppler's F.O. (analytics geeks) and/or Buck are in face saving mode and are trying to legitimize the move to give up Holderman for Porky. That's it. They figure he'll snap out of it sooner or later and remove the egg from their face that only he can do at this point.

Cohen needs to step in because the only way the Mets can get back in this race is if they're ALL real about what went wrong---front office and manager included---and have some urgency to fix things. Urgency isn't exactly something Buck is known for and neither is reality at this point. This is not a good team waiting to be good. They're a bad team. Full stop. Operate from there and play and manage hungrily over the next 3 months.

In comment 16143575 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 16143532 dannysection 313 said: Quote: In comment 16143470 CooperDash said: Quote: games back from first. The 2023 Mets are 8 games under and 19 games back (lol) on July 4th. And the Mets refuse to make any changes. Not even remotely the same situation. This season is done. But I do look forward to Eppler continuing to overpay for ineffective relief pitchers. I kind of remembered that the Nats were 12 under much, much earlier, but hey, looking for any reason to have hope, I suppose. Also, the Voglebach situation has gotten to the absurd stage. What could they possibly be thinking in continuing to run him out there as their DH 2/3 of the time? I mean if you don't want to give Vientos the AB's, isn't Canha a much better option that Vogelbach? Forget the lefty/righty thing, Canha gives a competitive at bat most of the time, can run a whole lot bettor than Voglebach, etc. Mind boggling, but I'm preaching to the choir here. This is what happens when the priority isn't about winning. Common sense is thrown to the wind. Eppler's F.O. (analytics geeks) and/or Buck are in face saving mode and are trying to legitimize the move to give up Holderman for Porky. That's it. They figure he'll snap out of it sooner or later and remove the egg from their face that only he can do at this point. Cohen needs to step in because the only way the Mets can get back in this race is if they're ALL real about what went wrong---front office and manager included---and have some urgency to fix things. Urgency isn't exactly something Buck is known for and neither is reality at this point. This is not a good team waiting to be good. They're a bad team. Full stop. Operate from there and play and manage hungrily over the next 3 months.

You dont think bringing up DJ Stewart is the beginning of the end for Danny?

In comment 16143597 Gmanfandan said:

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You dont think bringing up DJ Stewart is the beginning of the end for Danny?

Perhaps Mendick was sore and needed a break from all of those balls coming up and hitting him in the face during fielding practice...

In comment 16143512 ZGiants98 said:

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would love to see the Mets do a bit of a hybrid deadline. Trade Vogelbach, Canha, and Carrasco for anything and activate Mauricio and Vientos. Then also add a couple of relievers for non premium prospects. Get Quintana and eventually Diaz back.

I don't think you can expect anything back for Vogey, and certainly not a 'Holderman-level' return. He is a DFA candidate, and if any team takes the bait.....get what you can for him. A low A-ball reliever.

Mark Canha has value, but his contract is up this year. There will have to be a monetary contribution in any trade.

Carrasco ? I think he's Cooked. Again, what kind of return do you expect for him at this stage of his career? A low-level pitcher?

Ronny M is playing LF more frequently in Syracuse (this 'experiment' should have started a year ago). He's 22 years old and he's still learning the OF. But he's hitting the ball hard again. Vientos can certainly DH, maybe play a little 3B / 1B. But you have to put their names on your lineup card....Buck is as stubborn as a Missouri Mule.

This is the current state of the 2023 Mets team.

I sincerely hope that Ron Darling is doing OK....that's more important.

see Mauricio coming up any time "soon". 10 career games in LF, really don't see Buck Showalter being comfortable playing him out there and struggled at 2b.

On the minor league side @mets
with some of their top SP prospects making start for @RumblePoniesBB
Dominic Hamel, for @BKCyclones
(in what figures to be one of his final starts for them) Tyler Stuart and for @stluciemets
Douglas Orellana #Mets

In comment 16143638 Named Later said:

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In comment 16143512 ZGiants98 said: Quote: would love to see the Mets do a bit of a hybrid deadline. Trade Vogelbach, Canha, and Carrasco for anything and activate Mauricio and Vientos. Then also add a couple of relievers for non premium prospects. Get Quintana and eventually Diaz back. I don't think you can expect anything back for Vogey, and certainly not a 'Holderman-level' return. He is a DFA candidate, and if any team takes the bait.....get what you can for him. A low A-ball reliever. Mark Canha has value, but his contract is up this year. There will have to be a monetary contribution in any trade. Carrasco ? I think he's Cooked. Again, what kind of return do you expect for him at this stage of his career? A low-level pitcher? Ronny M is playing LF more frequently in Syracuse (this 'experiment' should have started a year ago). He's 22 years old and he's still learning the OF. But he's hitting the ball hard again. Vientos can certainly DH, maybe play a little 3B / 1B. But you have to put their names on your lineup card....Buck is as stubborn as a Missouri Mule. This is the current state of the 2023 Mets team. I sincerely hope that Ron Darling is doing OK....that's more important.

The Padres DFAd Nelson Cruz yesterday.

Padres News: Nelson Cruz DFA'd Among Slew of Roster Moves by Friars - The 43-year-old has been in the league since 2005. | By PATRICK WARREN18 HOURS AGO - si.com

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"Obviously a tough one," manager Bob Melvin said of the decision to DFA Cruz. "Big impact in the clubhouse. Across the board throughout the league the respect that he brings, looking at him, playing against him from afar, he's fantastic ... It's more about versatility here now. We have a couple guys in [Cruz] and [Matt Carpenter] that basically just DH, need to be able to give guys some days off a little bit more, need a runner off the bench, you need to have a little bit more versatility so unfortunately we had to make this move today." (Via 97.3 The Fan)

Mets can take a cue from the Padres after their latest DFA | By Tim Boyle | 6:00 AM EDT - ( New Window )

zero interest in 43 year old Nelson Cruz. He of the 85 wRC+ since OD 2022, 0 defensive value AND a former Buck player aka "he will play". I'm not even as high on Vientos as some of you guys but those AB's going to Nelson Cruz over Vientos would be farcical.

to a few Cyclones games this week. Parada moves MUCH better than you'd think for a C, hopefully he stays behind the plate but you can see why some think he ends up in LF. Alex Ramirez is having a very disappointing season but he flashed, had some good ab's, Stanley Consuegra also looked good, SRF doesn't look far off from big league ready (he was rehabbing)

Ah.....Nelson Cruz. If only Rey Ordonez hadn't broken his arm, the Mets might have called up Nelson during his prime.

I know Darling was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in May 2019 (article HERE).

Mets fans everywhere hope he's ok.

In comment 16143644 DanMetroMan said:

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see Mauricio coming up any time "soon". 10 career games in LF, really don't see Buck Showalter being comfortable playing him out there and struggled at 2b.

his ops has come down into the 800s also after 2-3 months above 1000 which means he's struggled a little bit - which is to be expected unless he was an outright phenom.

vientos should be up and playing almost every day over vogelbach from now to deadline to see what we have. vogelbach is hitting 175 in his 30 days and that includes his best hot streak of the season. he has done nothing over these last 3 wins. they can keep him around as a bench bat but he is dead weight. there is nothing he can do at this point to increase his trade value. any value he has is probably simply in the gamble that guys play better after they leave the mets.

In comment 16143651 DanMetroMan said:

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zero interest in 43 year old Nelson Cruz. He of the 85 wRC+ since OD 2022, 0 defensive value AND a former Buck player aka "he will play". I'm not even as high on Vientos as some of you guys but those AB's going to Nelson Cruz over Vientos would be farcical.

Oh no. Was merely suggesting if the Padres can DFA Cruz, then the Mets can do the same with the Pillsbury Batboy. Both are trash.

with both of you, what exactly is the downside of Vientos becoming the "full-time" DH for a multi-week run? What's the worst case? He's "exposed"? Vogelbach has been horrible.

same time. What will the Mets do without Mendick??

Daniel Murhpy is hitting 340 over 10 games with the Angels AAA Affiliate

Considering the state of the Angels they may bring him up