over this trade. Fair too many Mets fans, it’s damned if you do; damned if you don’t. The Mets brass’s stated goal was to rebuild the minor league system. You don’t do that by only trading for near-Major League prospects, you need to fill in the lower levels too.
Robertson has been a solid closer, but he’s 38 and going to be a FA. That’s going to limit the return in any trade. If the Mets pass on this trade and wait, maybe the return isn’t as good. Then we’d all be complaining about them passing on this trade.
Robertson is a rental. His age does not matter other than he doesn’t need to fall apart for 3 months. He has been outstanding this year as a closer and will be the Marlins closer.
This is a really good return for a 38 year old rental reliever
If Vargas was draft eligible, I can't see him slipping past the second round. Good job by the Mets here. Have to think Cohen's new hires played a big part in this because this doens't seem like an Eppler type of move.
I'm not sure if "selling" is the right move given still 15-20% shot at the playoffs, but that's probably just my heart speaking. If they are going to sell, then getting guys this like this into the system makes it easier for me to accept.
RE: This is a really good return for a 38 year old rental reliever
If Vargas was draft eligible, I can't see him slipping past the second round. Good job by the Mets here. Have to think Cohen's new hires played a big part in this because this doens't seem like an Eppler type of move.
I'm not sure if "selling" is the right move given still 15-20% shot at the playoffs, but that's probably just my heart speaking. If they are going to sell, then getting guys this like this into the system makes it easier for me to accept.
pretty elite bat to ball skills/batting eye, but every other tool projected as below ML average. Fangraphs has everything at 40-45, with hitting tool projected at 60. Other scouting reports say 2B is by far best position. Eppler touting him at SS.
pretty elite bat to ball skills/batting eye, but every other tool projected as below ML average. Fangraphs has everything at 40-45, with hitting tool projected at 60. Other scouting reports say 2B is by far best position. Eppler touting him at SS.
not complaining about it but did they buy a bulk order of SS gloves at costco or something?
RE: RE: Vargas almost seems like almost a Luis Arraez type
pretty elite bat to ball skills/batting eye, but every other tool projected as below ML average. Fangraphs has everything at 40-45, with hitting tool projected at 60. Other scouting reports say 2B is by far best position. Eppler touting him at SS.
not complaining about it but did they buy a bulk order of SS gloves at costco or something?
People who are SS at lower levels tend to have the most versatility to move at higher levels as it is usually your best athlete
But why not…
Everyone knows the Mets got two prospects in this deal, right?
And apparently, gave up no cash.
That is shocking to me. Not being critical of it. But between Cohen indicating he was willing to pick up money and the Marlins being notoriously cheap, I would have put money on the Mets covering at least a decent portion of his salary
I see fans on Twitter (ok, "X") losing their minds, I hear the WFAN hosts losing their minds, but they probably weren't going to get a lot for Robertson. (Or, maybe this IS a lot, but these guys are undervalued and hard to gauge because they're young and in rookie ball.)
Robertson is good but he's not a lights-out closer like Edwin Diaz. He's old, and he's a rental. For the Mets, a closer is a little bit of a luxury for a losing team; if they don't have a lead late, there's nothing to close.
They shed some payroll, which matters more than we like to think. Cohen can afford it but being so far over the luxury tax threshold cost them 12 spots on the draft. And, as Cohen said, this kind of payroll is not sustainable. It makes sense for a World Series run. That's not happening.
They also drafted a boatload of pitchers and were thin on position-player prospects at the lowest levels, so this trade adds some young guys with upside — but their development isn't assured.
By contrast, Verlander is under contract and pitching very well. If he's traded for prospects, I'd want to get back AA or AAA prospects who are close to ready, preferably young arms or outfielders.
(They never should have traded PCA. THAT trade was bad.)
MyNameIsMyName - I understand this sentiment. I commented earlier that the deadline was a few days away and I am wondering if the Mets (whether they are correct or not) are anticipating the market to shift and possibly this offer would have been pulled as other arms would be available to buyers, as we get closer to August 1.
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I still have 8 games left on my 20 game package.
Do I get a rebate from the Mets for games I bought tickets for, in good faith, after they've thrown in the towel on the season?
This season sucks...
danny this is a good point, as well. I never thought of that but I wouldn't be surprised if Cohen addresses this somehow. I can't think of a way an owner could address this but I am curious.
Overall, punting on a season with the payroll and goals does suck. Standing pat at the deadline could have been an option. I don't see how next year is any better. I am reading that Stearns prefers the Houston job over the Mets for POBO. Even if Stearns does come aboard, he may have his own vision of team building where he would want to rid the team of certain players to bring in his type of players. 2024 and possibly 2025 are going to be transition years.
I am thrilled that we have an owner with the resources we have but it does feel, today, that we took several steps back.
When you purchase season tix/partial season tix there is always the possibility the team will stink (didn't imagine that would be the case this year) and you just have to ride it out for the last part of the year.
I had season tix for the Giants for 20 season (mostly the Eli/Coughlin era) and there were some December games no one wanted to go to.
But baseball is the one sport where there is a real sell off with as much as 1/3 of the season left.
Buyer beware; I get it and the rationale for selling, especially end of contract players, for a better future.
I'm not waiting for Steve Cohen to throw STH a bone, believe me.
I had a Saturday package in 85-88. IIRC there's a "contract" on the back of the ticket, which says you get to see a "championship game," meaning not an exhibition, but a game that counts in the standings. That's what we paid for. They win, they lose, they're good, they're bad... They didn't promise anything more than a real game.
It would be nice of Cohen to do some kind of a make-good but they don't actually owe the season ticket holders anything.
The real make-good, hopefully, would be years of sustained success fueled by these young guys they are drafting and trading for. I know we fans don't like to "Trust the Process" but in this case I think it's fair.
They'll bring in Stearns over Eppler, things will get better. They tried to do it fast, they face-planted. Now they're going to build from the ground up. Good.
Anyone who says this is a good trade or bad trade is just trying to push the narrative either way. The kid is 18 years old with almost zero professional experience. It would be a flat out guess as to whether or not he's going to be any good.
Just get talented guys in the system and see who makes it. That's basically what Eppler needs to do with this deadline.
RE: RE: I don’t understand all of the handwringing
over this trade. Fair too many Mets fans, it’s damned if you do; damned if you don’t. The Mets brass’s stated goal was to rebuild the minor league system. You don’t do that by only trading for near-Major League prospects, you need to fill in the lower levels too.
Robertson has been a solid closer, but he’s 38 and going to be a FA. That’s going to limit the return in any trade. If the Mets pass on this trade and wait, maybe the return isn’t as good. Then we’d all be complaining about them passing on this trade.
Robertson is a rental. His age does not matter other than he doesn’t need to fall apart for 3 months. He has been outstanding this year as a closer and will be the Marlins closer.
Yes, Robertson is a rental, and that fact alone limits the return. I think the Mets did pretty well.
I mean if it's a huge return you have to do it but who the heck will be pitching in the rotation next year?
I could live with:
Shohei
Max
Urias
Senga
Qutinana (or Peterson if they can get a good return for Quintana)
If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
fall flat on they’re face early and no signs of recovery.
The fishing is over; wise to cut bait.
They should fire sale whoever they can and move onward.
But if you can dump Max and/or Verlander purely as a salary dump and get half a dozen donuts in return, you do it in a heartbeat.
The Mets don't need to do a salary dump, per se, but there's no point in having a payroll this big when the team isn't in contention. Trading Verlander for another pricey veteran wouldn't make sense. Trading him for cheap, young talent that's under team control for years to come does make sense.
The high payroll dinged the Mets' draft position, and that turned out to be for nothing.
Mets pay some of it - but might get a decent prospect return too.
Rangers won't go anywhere if they don't add another pitcher. DeGrom is out until literally end of next season.
Would be hysterical if Kumar Rocker became a secondary piece in the trade - although if i were Mets, would be uninterested, I don't see how he comes back from his injury at this point.
isn't a ridiculous high risk/high reward ask - he's kind of slumped a bit and fallen down. Right now they have couple other pitching prospects generally with brighter star on them than him.
If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
Max has the ntc and i'd imagine a weaker market since he hasnt pitched as well so i assumed he's tougher to move for a good return.
re Urias/Ohtani i havent too seriously looked at next year's FA list but obviously we know Cohen is likely to be a serious player for whoever they want. i know giolito is another one. i assume they'll have at least 2 accomplished SP under contract and probably be shopping for at least 2 more.
If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
Max has the ntc and i'd imagine a weaker market since he hasnt pitched as well so i assumed he's tougher to move for a good return.
re Urias/Ohtani i havent too seriously looked at next year's FA list but obviously we know Cohen is likely to be a serious player for whoever they want. i know giolito is another one. i assume they'll have at least 2 accomplished SP under contract and probably be shopping for at least 2 more.
I'm not as sure about that. I think this year is probably going to result in a shift in organizational approach. I think it's the end of "win now" and they'll be looking more at "sustained success," which means putting resources into farm system/player development, not paying top dollar for veterans who aren't going to be around when the team really takes off.
Exception: Veteran leadership. Boy, does the team need that.
Thursday's David Robertson deal kicks off what could be a very busy few days for the Mets.
With Thursday night’s trade of David Robertson to the Miami Marlins, the Mets front office knew that it conceded the 2023 Wild Card race in favor of seizing an opportunity to bolster the farm system.
The next few days until the Aug. 1 trade deadline will bring several more deals. Of that, there is no doubt. “It’s going to be busy,” said one source with knowledge of the Mets’ thinking.
Here’s the latest, as of midday Friday:
-- Justin Verlander is generating moderate interest, but it is far from certain that he will be moved. The Mets are willing to talk about Verlander when other teams ask, but have not yet come close to asking the veteran to waive his no-trade clause. The team values what Verlander could contribute in 2024, and believe Verlander and his family to be happy in New York.
As MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported, a reunion with Houston is one possibility for Verlander. The Angels are also looking for more starting pitching, and have been scouting the Mets, as have the Reds and other clubs.
-- As of Friday, Max Scherzer is less likely to move. The reason is simple: Clubs scouting him have been less than impressed with the quality of his stuff.
-- Mark Canha and Tommy Pham are generating interest, and are likely to be traded.
On a related note, and as SNY reported Wednesday, the Yankees are looking for a right-handed hitting left fielder to pair with Jake Bauers and Billy McKinney. The Mets and Yankees have an ongoing dialogue -- Brian Cashman is Billy Eppler’s mentor -- and discussed a Robertson trade this week.
-- Catcher Omar Narvaez is very available. So is Brooks Raley, but the team holds an option on him for next year, so would need a larger return.
Mets recall Reed Garrett to take Robertson's spot. Why him over Josh Walker or Nate Lavender?
Lavender would needed to be added to the 40 man whereas Garrett does not. As far as him versus Walker, perhaps they want him to get more frequent pitching at AAA versus being the last guy out of the bullpen with the Mets.
Mets recall Reed Garrett to take Robertson's spot. Why him over Josh Walker or Nate Lavender?
My guess is Garrett is on a short leash. Older and looks like a AAAA pitcher, but doing well in AAA. Probably giving him a few appearances at the MLB level. If he stinks it up as he has in the past option/DFA him.
if they trade Canha and Pham while Marte is injured, they need to find two outfielders.
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
RE: That SNY article is kind of encouraging, except
if they trade Canha and Pham while Marte is injured, they need to find two outfielders.
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
They would play McNeil in a corner OF spot and start Mendick at 2B (although I would play Mauricio there) and/or D.J. Stewart
RE: That SNY article is kind of encouraging, except
if they trade Canha and Pham while Marte is injured, they need to find two outfielders.
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
If you’re trading your closer with this bullpen you’re kind of past the part of caring if it gets ugly. Locastro is on the DL. It will be Stewart/McNeil/Nimmo until Marte is back. Call up a Cedrola, Cortes, or Almonte. Whatever. When you decide to sell, winning is secondary
If KiKe and Rosario wasn’t enough….Lynn and Joe Kelly from the White Sox now.
Ohtani isn't available - that will be an offseason play. There's no big fish at starter or as bat - gonna see a lot of last minute moves next two days. They have enough pitching up front, but adding depth is the standard play for a team - load up the bench/bullpen/swing starter type to eat up innings late in year. Dodgers have a system where they actually need to shed some of their huge system depth, they're just going to lose them in the offseason Rule V/ drafts or not tendering.
the mets longer summary after the trade deadline? needless to say i have thoughts and it looks like they are in the midst of a pivot worthy of some guarded optimism.
RE: sort of random but do any of you have any interest in a state of
the mets longer summary after the trade deadline? needless to say i have thoughts and it looks like they are in the midst of a pivot worthy of some guarded optimism.
I would read and enjoy it.
RE: RE: sort of random but do any of you have any interest in a state of
the mets longer summary after the trade deadline? needless to say i have thoughts and it looks like they are in the midst of a pivot worthy of some guarded optimism.
Robertson has been a solid closer, but he’s 38 and going to be a FA. That’s going to limit the return in any trade. If the Mets pass on this trade and wait, maybe the return isn’t as good. Then we’d all be complaining about them passing on this trade.
Robertson is a rental. His age does not matter other than he doesn’t need to fall apart for 3 months. He has been outstanding this year as a closer and will be the Marlins closer.
I'm not sure if "selling" is the right move given still 15-20% shot at the playoffs, but that's probably just my heart speaking. If they are going to sell, then getting guys this like this into the system makes it easier for me to accept.
I'm not sure if "selling" is the right move given still 15-20% shot at the playoffs, but that's probably just my heart speaking. If they are going to sell, then getting guys this like this into the system makes it easier for me to accept.
Selling is undoubtedly the right move.
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Welcome Marco Vargas and Ronald Hernandez to the Mets 💪
Everyone knows the Mets got two prospects in this deal, right?
And apparently, gave up no cash.
not complaining about it but did they buy a bulk order of SS gloves at costco or something?
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pretty elite bat to ball skills/batting eye, but every other tool projected as below ML average. Fangraphs has everything at 40-45, with hitting tool projected at 60. Other scouting reports say 2B is by far best position. Eppler touting him at SS.
not complaining about it but did they buy a bulk order of SS gloves at costco or something?
People who are SS at lower levels tend to have the most versatility to move at higher levels as it is usually your best athlete
Everyone knows the Mets got two prospects in this deal, right?
And apparently, gave up no cash.
That is shocking to me. Not being critical of it. But between Cohen indicating he was willing to pick up money and the Marlins being notoriously cheap, I would have put money on the Mets covering at least a decent portion of his salary
Robertson is good but he's not a lights-out closer like Edwin Diaz. He's old, and he's a rental. For the Mets, a closer is a little bit of a luxury for a losing team; if they don't have a lead late, there's nothing to close.
They shed some payroll, which matters more than we like to think. Cohen can afford it but being so far over the luxury tax threshold cost them 12 spots on the draft. And, as Cohen said, this kind of payroll is not sustainable. It makes sense for a World Series run. That's not happening.
They also drafted a boatload of pitchers and were thin on position-player prospects at the lowest levels, so this trade adds some young guys with upside — but their development isn't assured.
By contrast, Verlander is under contract and pitching very well. If he's traded for prospects, I'd want to get back AA or AAA prospects who are close to ready, preferably young arms or outfielders.
(They never should have traded PCA. THAT trade was bad.)
I mean if it's a huge return you have to do it but who the heck will be pitching in the rotation next year?
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This is the best offer we could’ve gotten for him
MyNameIsMyName - I understand this sentiment. I commented earlier that the deadline was a few days away and I am wondering if the Mets (whether they are correct or not) are anticipating the market to shift and possibly this offer would have been pulled as other arms would be available to buyers, as we get closer to August 1.
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I still have 8 games left on my 20 game package.
Do I get a rebate from the Mets for games I bought tickets for, in good faith, after they've thrown in the towel on the season?
This season sucks...
danny this is a good point, as well. I never thought of that but I wouldn't be surprised if Cohen addresses this somehow. I can't think of a way an owner could address this but I am curious.
Overall, punting on a season with the payroll and goals does suck. Standing pat at the deadline could have been an option. I don't see how next year is any better. I am reading that Stearns prefers the Houston job over the Mets for POBO. Even if Stearns does come aboard, he may have his own vision of team building where he would want to rid the team of certain players to bring in his type of players. 2024 and possibly 2025 are going to be transition years.
I am thrilled that we have an owner with the resources we have but it does feel, today, that we took several steps back.
When you purchase season tix/partial season tix there is always the possibility the team will stink (didn't imagine that would be the case this year) and you just have to ride it out for the last part of the year.
I had season tix for the Giants for 20 season (mostly the Eli/Coughlin era) and there were some December games no one wanted to go to.
But baseball is the one sport where there is a real sell off with as much as 1/3 of the season left.
Buyer beware; I get it and the rationale for selling, especially end of contract players, for a better future.
I'm not waiting for Steve Cohen to throw STH a bone, believe me.
This season just sucks..
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Rangers interested.
I mean if it's a huge return you have to do it but who the heck will be pitching in the rotation next year?
Would be funny if Verlander replaced Jake there too...haha
It would be nice of Cohen to do some kind of a make-good but they don't actually owe the season ticket holders anything.
The real make-good, hopefully, would be years of sustained success fueled by these young guys they are drafting and trading for. I know we fans don't like to "Trust the Process" but in this case I think it's fair.
They'll bring in Stearns over Eppler, things will get better. They tried to do it fast, they face-planted. Now they're going to build from the ground up. Good.
Just get talented guys in the system and see who makes it. That's basically what Eppler needs to do with this deadline.
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over this trade. Fair too many Mets fans, it’s damned if you do; damned if you don’t. The Mets brass’s stated goal was to rebuild the minor league system. You don’t do that by only trading for near-Major League prospects, you need to fill in the lower levels too.
Robertson has been a solid closer, but he’s 38 and going to be a FA. That’s going to limit the return in any trade. If the Mets pass on this trade and wait, maybe the return isn’t as good. Then we’d all be complaining about them passing on this trade.
Robertson is a rental. His age does not matter other than he doesn’t need to fall apart for 3 months. He has been outstanding this year as a closer and will be the Marlins closer.
Yes, Robertson is a rental, and that fact alone limits the return. I think the Mets did pretty well.
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Rangers interested.
I mean if it's a huge return you have to do it but who the heck will be pitching in the rotation next year?
I could live with:
Shohei
Max
Urias
Senga
Qutinana (or Peterson if they can get a good return for Quintana)
for good reason. if cohen doesnt care about salary relief we shouldn't either. you're gonna be ok, the wilponzis cant hurt you anymore.
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Rangers interested.
I mean if it's a huge return you have to do it but who the heck will be pitching in the rotation next year?
I could live with:
Shohei
Max
Urias
Senga
Qutinana (or Peterson if they can get a good return for Quintana)
If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
The fishing is over; wise to cut bait.
They should fire sale whoever they can and move onward.
The high payroll dinged the Mets' draft position, and that turned out to be for nothing.
Rangers won't go anywhere if they don't add another pitcher. DeGrom is out until literally end of next season.
Would be hysterical if Kumar Rocker became a secondary piece in the trade - although if i were Mets, would be uninterested, I don't see how he comes back from his injury at this point.
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I'd ask the Rangers for 3 of their top 10 prospects for Verlander, including Leiter. Take it or leave it.
Evan Carter, 20-year-old CF, is their #1 prospect. I want that guy.
Owen White as well perhaps but don't think Texas giving up MLB ready arm who they just recently called up.
If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
Max has the ntc and i'd imagine a weaker market since he hasnt pitched as well so i assumed he's tougher to move for a good return.
re Urias/Ohtani i havent too seriously looked at next year's FA list but obviously we know Cohen is likely to be a serious player for whoever they want. i know giolito is another one. i assume they'll have at least 2 accomplished SP under contract and probably be shopping for at least 2 more.
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If they're getting rid of Verlander then they should get rid of Max as well. No reason to keep him at that point. I don't see Ohtani coming. Urias we'd have to be the front runner but I am concerned with the year he's having and the money he will command. Peterson yuck.
Max has the ntc and i'd imagine a weaker market since he hasnt pitched as well so i assumed he's tougher to move for a good return.
re Urias/Ohtani i havent too seriously looked at next year's FA list but obviously we know Cohen is likely to be a serious player for whoever they want. i know giolito is another one. i assume they'll have at least 2 accomplished SP under contract and probably be shopping for at least 2 more.
Exception: Veteran leadership. Boy, does the team need that.
If Quintana traded, add a Backend starter too
Scherzer
FA
Yamamoto
Senga
Quintana/equivalent
Next season Scherzer/Quintana gone:
Yamamoto
FA
Senga
4th and 5th hopefully they have Tidwell and someone else internal by then. If not, another Quintana type
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I'd ask the Rangers for 3 of their top 10 prospects for Verlander, including Leiter. Take it or leave it.
Evan Carter, 20-year-old CF, is their #1 prospect. I want that guy.
Him or Acuna would be a dream, but I don’t see it happening
With Thursday night’s trade of David Robertson to the Miami Marlins, the Mets front office knew that it conceded the 2023 Wild Card race in favor of seizing an opportunity to bolster the farm system.
The next few days until the Aug. 1 trade deadline will bring several more deals. Of that, there is no doubt. “It’s going to be busy,” said one source with knowledge of the Mets’ thinking.
Here’s the latest, as of midday Friday:
-- Justin Verlander is generating moderate interest, but it is far from certain that he will be moved. The Mets are willing to talk about Verlander when other teams ask, but have not yet come close to asking the veteran to waive his no-trade clause. The team values what Verlander could contribute in 2024, and believe Verlander and his family to be happy in New York.
As MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported, a reunion with Houston is one possibility for Verlander. The Angels are also looking for more starting pitching, and have been scouting the Mets, as have the Reds and other clubs.
-- As of Friday, Max Scherzer is less likely to move. The reason is simple: Clubs scouting him have been less than impressed with the quality of his stuff.
-- Mark Canha and Tommy Pham are generating interest, and are likely to be traded.
On a related note, and as SNY reported Wednesday, the Yankees are looking for a right-handed hitting left fielder to pair with Jake Bauers and Billy McKinney. The Mets and Yankees have an ongoing dialogue -- Brian Cashman is Billy Eppler’s mentor -- and discussed a Robertson trade this week.
-- Catcher Omar Narvaez is very available. So is Brooks Raley, but the team holds an option on him for next year, so would need a larger return.
Buckle up for more Mets trade news - ( New Window )
Dump Carrasco too. Thanks.
Dump Carrasco too. Thanks.
Canha has value. He’s not a dump. Pham has some serious value (if healthy). .813 OPS.
Lavender would needed to be added to the 40 man whereas Garrett does not. As far as him versus Walker, perhaps they want him to get more frequent pitching at AAA versus being the last guy out of the bullpen with the Mets.
My guess is Garrett is on a short leash. Older and looks like a AAAA pitcher, but doing well in AAA. Probably giving him a few appearances at the MLB level. If he stinks it up as he has in the past option/DFA him.
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
They would play McNeil in a corner OF spot and start Mendick at 2B (although I would play Mauricio there) and/or D.J. Stewart
Mauricio is the obvious call-up but he's supposed to be bad in the outfield. Baty played a little there but I'd be shocked if they put him out there every day, especially since they see him as the third baseman of the future. Vientos is barely a first baseman, he's bad at third, I can't see him moving out to LF. Luke Voit is at Syracuse; he's not going to play LF in Queens. So... who? They're not trading Canha or Pham for similar players; it has to be prospects. If they don't pick up some outfielders, and they're going to start Stewart and call up Tim Locastro, it's gonna be mighty ugly.
If you’re trading your closer with this bullpen you’re kind of past the part of caring if it gets ugly. Locastro is on the DL. It will be Stewart/McNeil/Nimmo until Marte is back. Call up a Cedrola, Cortes, or Almonte. Whatever. When you decide to sell, winning is secondary
Alvarez, Vientos, Baty all in the lineup
Ohtani isn't available - that will be an offseason play. There's no big fish at starter or as bat - gonna see a lot of last minute moves next two days. They have enough pitching up front, but adding depth is the standard play for a team - load up the bench/bullpen/swing starter type to eat up innings late in year. Dodgers have a system where they actually need to shed some of their huge system depth, they're just going to lose them in the offseason Rule V/ drafts or not tendering.
I would read and enjoy it.
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the mets longer summary after the trade deadline? needless to say i have thoughts and it looks like they are in the midst of a pivot worthy of some guarded optimism.
I would read and enjoy it.
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