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NFL could move to requiring Guardian Caps in games

FranknWeezer : 8/11/2023 11:15 am
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The NFL required all linemen, linebackers and tight ends to wear Guardian Caps, the soft-shell helmet covers, for part of training camp in 2022. This year, the safety measures have expanded to include running backs through all of preseason and regular-season contact practices. And it's possible the Caps could someday be worn in games, according to NFL executive Jeff Miller.

"I think the day could come," Miller, who oversees NFL player health and safety, told Good Morning Football Thursday. "But at the same time, a lot of the helmets are also making advances, too, and so some of the protective benefits you get from the Guardian Cap hopefully will be seen in helmets in the next year or two."


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Instead of collecting full size and mini helmets with autographs....  
GiantBlue : 8/11/2023 11:17 am : link
we will be collecting signed and/or game worn guardian caps!

LOL
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Spiciest Memelord : 8/11/2023 11:18 am : link
I know it might sound crazy  
bradshaw44 : 8/11/2023 11:25 am : link
But when I played football back in the 80s and 90s as a kid, the one thing that truly bothered me was the sharp sound from the helmet during contact. I’ve always thought that has a correlation to the injuries and that inside of helmets should be lined with a thick but soft leather to absorb the sound and shock. Never understood why that was never discussed more.

Of course I could be dead wrong. But it was always a feeling and thought of mine.
My guess though who knows what they will come up with  
rasbutant : 8/11/2023 11:34 am : link
My guess is that they will become molded onto the helmet instead of being something that snaps on. It makes sense to me to have a soft outer shell on the helmet as well as the advancement they made to the interiors.

Also, I always thought there should be a way to design the shoulder pads (or a neck brace) on the QB's to prevent the head from snapping back against the turf. Something to stop the whiplash and maybe make it so the head doesn't hit instead the shoulders take the force. Seems so obvious to me, so I'm sure they tried it and it didn't work.
I’m definitely in the minority  
Dang Man : 8/11/2023 11:40 am : link
But I think if they reduced the size of pads and helmets people would be a bit more protective of their bodies as opposed to launching themselves head first like missiles.
Highly doubt it  
ZogZerg : 8/11/2023 11:50 am : link
Unless there are significant savings on head injuries. They need to collect the data from camp for a while.
RE: My guess though who knows what they will come up with  
eric2425ny : 8/11/2023 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16170342 rasbutant said:
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My guess is that they will become molded onto the helmet instead of being something that snaps on. It makes sense to me to have a soft outer shell on the helmet as well as the advancement they made to the interiors.

Also, I always thought there should be a way to design the shoulder pads (or a neck brace) on the QB's to prevent the head from snapping back against the turf. Something to stop the whiplash and maybe make it so the head doesn't hit instead the shoulders take the force. Seems so obvious to me, so I'm sure they tried it and it didn't work.


Steve Grogan used to wear something like that.
I wonder what the NFL would do  
Giantsfan79 : 8/11/2023 12:11 pm : link
If a player wanted to wear it in games right now?
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Matt in SGS : 8/11/2023 12:24 pm : link
RE: I wonder what the NFL would do  
FranknWeezer : 8/11/2023 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16170370 Giantsfan79 said:
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If a player wanted to wear it in games right now?


That's a great question. Deny it as outside uniform code and you're potentially opening yourself up to increased liability if said player sustains a head/neck injury in a standard league-approved helmet.
Helmet  
Simms : 8/11/2023 12:30 pm : link
Didn't Bubba Paris of the Niners wear an additional color matching shell over the top of his helmet?
They usually  
SoZKillA : 8/11/2023 12:47 pm : link
test stuff in games in HS and college, I believe LSU and a few other schools are doing helmets with an air coordinator fan in it
RE: My guess though who knows what they will come up with  
ColHowPepper : 8/11/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16170342 rasbutant said:
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My guess is that they will become molded onto the helmet instead of being something that snaps on. It makes sense to me to have a soft outer shell on the helmet as well as the advancement they made to the interiors.

That would help, no doubt, but would do little to protect against recoil and snap back of the head on hits, as when one is rear-ended in an auto collision. Sudden bounce of the brain and recoil back inside the skull probably more directly related to head trauma than softening of a direct blow.
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Dr. D : 8/11/2023 1:07 pm : link
RE: Helmet  
FranknWeezer : 8/11/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16170382 Simms said:
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Didn't Bubba Paris of the Niners wear an additional color matching shell over the top of his helmet?


It was Steve Wallace:

RE: I know it might sound crazy  
MNP70 : 8/11/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16170340 bradshaw44 said:
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But when I played football back in the 80s and 90s as a kid, the one thing that truly bothered me was the sharp sound from the helmet during contact. I’ve always thought that has a correlation to the injuries and that inside of helmets should be lined with a thick but soft leather to absorb the sound and shock. Never understood why that was never discussed more.

Of course I could be dead wrong. But it was always a feeling and thought of mine.


I almost got into the equip recertification business many years ago. The sound that is made with plastic on plastic was engineered intentionally. This was openly discussed as a goal from the manufacturers, Bike in particular.
This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
Matt M. : 8/11/2023 1:18 pm : link
The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.
RE: RE: My guess though who knows what they will come up with  
81_Great_Dane : 8/11/2023 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16170403 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 16170342 rasbutant said:


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My guess is that they will become molded onto the helmet instead of being something that snaps on. It makes sense to me to have a soft outer shell on the helmet as well as the advancement they made to the interiors.


That would help, no doubt, but would do little to protect against recoil and snap back of the head on hits, as when one is rear-ended in an auto collision. Sudden bounce of the brain and recoil back inside the skull probably more directly related to head trauma than softening of a direct blow.
Probably. But the question isn't whether the Guardian Cap protects from everything, it's whether it's better than what's in use now.

I expect people thought leather helmets were goofy when they came in. And hard helmets. And facemasks. I remember facemasks that were a single loop and how odd it seemed when everybody had to adopt the cage version. It'll look goofy at first but we'll get used to it.
RE: This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/11/2023 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16170421 Matt M. said:
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The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.


Matt M, the 'We care about the health of the players!' line never fails to crack me up. Yes, if the owners seriously gave AF about the health-short & long term-of the players, we wouldn't have TNF or expanding the season.
Making the pads and helmets smaller  
BlackLight : 8/11/2023 1:22 pm : link
will probably reduce the number of concussions, but increase the number of on-field deaths. So kind of a tradeoff there.
The current helmet isn't perfect  
robbieballs2003 : 8/11/2023 1:42 pm : link
But I wonder if these new helmets might cause some neck injuries. The current ones are smooth and slide. I can see these new helmet getting caught on the side with the gaps in the padding and ripping a person's head in a direction it isn't intended to go.
RE: This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
bw in dc : 8/11/2023 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16170421 Matt M. said:
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The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.


Excellent post. I'm sure this will be part of the spin, using these bulbous helmets, when the league forces the 18th game. Because you know it's coming...
Don't rugby players  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/11/2023 1:56 pm : link
suffer less concussions or injuries?
RE: RE: This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/11/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16170449 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16170421 Matt M. said:


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The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.



Excellent post. I'm sure this will be part of the spin, using these bulbous helmets, when the league forces the 18th game. Because you know it's coming...


If the NFL actually cared about player safety, it would be much more effective to reduce it back to 16 games, unbloat the NHL-like playoffs, and get rid of that damned terrible thurs dame.
I also know it isn't just outside force on the helmet from a player or  
GiantBlue : 8/11/2023 2:22 pm : link
the ground that causes concussions, but the brain being forced into the skull at different places from a whiplash or jutting collision.

So there are exterior forces, but also interior, brain into skull forces.

All these have to be taken into consideration.
It's probably more accurate for them to say  
81_Great_Dane : 8/11/2023 2:38 pm : link
"We care about the players, but we care about preserving our golden goose, er, very popular game, more." And I think that's it. They're happy to put the Guardian Caps on the field, but not to make fundamental changes to the game for player safety.

Do I mind that? Not as much as I probably should.
RE: RE: RE: This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
John In CO : 8/11/2023 3:30 pm : link
In comment 16170454 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 16170421 Matt M. said:


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The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.



Excellent post. I'm sure this will be part of the spin, using these bulbous helmets, when the league forces the 18th game. Because you know it's coming...



If the NFL actually cared about player safety, it would be much more effective to reduce it back to 16 games, unbloat the NHL-like playoffs, and get rid of that damned terrible thurs dame.


Im sure they care about the players. But they care about making $$ much more. If increasing safety doesnt interfere with their cash flow...sure why not. But Thursday night games and the extra game are here to stay I think.

Also....just curious...why do people always cite the NHL for having a bloated playoff season? If im not mistaken, isnt the NBA also 4 rounds of 7 game series?
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TrevorC : 8/11/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16170413 Dr. D said:
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IMO They'll go with one size fits all caps. Much cheaper than  
Marty in Albany : 8/11/2023 3:48 pm : link
making the already expensive helmets much more expensive. Cheap bastids.
Dump the hard helmets  
section125 : 8/11/2023 4:04 pm : link
and go with the soft ones....keep the heads out the play.
RE: RE: RE: This is just a false platitude to seem like the league cares  
bw in dc : 8/11/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16170454 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 16170421 Matt M. said:


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The reality is this will have little impact on concussions and less on CTE because of the nature of this injuries/conditions. This is just an obvious visual for them to point to to say hey we care about your health. If they really cared, they wouldn't have gone to 17 games and they wouldn't have made Thursday night games a regular every week occurance.



Excellent post. I'm sure this will be part of the spin, using these bulbous helmets, when the league forces the 18th game. Because you know it's coming...



If the NFL actually cared about player safety, it would be much more effective to reduce it back to 16 games, unbloat the NHL-like playoffs, and get rid of that damned terrible thurs dame.


You're preaching to the converted. Ownership is clearly driven by $s over safety. By many multiples.

Fortunately for them, too, the NFLPA is as dumb as a bag of hammers and are incapable of adequately defending themselves.
Man, there was an inventor  
widmerseyebrow : 8/11/2023 4:29 pm : link
That came up with a softshell helmet that looked absolutely massive and goofy. Can't find the original article.
RE: I’m definitely in the minority  
Beezer : 8/11/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16170348 Dang Man said:
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But I think if they reduced the size of pads and helmets people would be a bit more protective of their bodies as opposed to launching themselves head first like missiles.


It sounds off the wall, and it would change the game some, but if "helmets" were more similar to those worn by Aussie rules footballers, in time there would be far fewer head and neck injuries. Open faces, too, would be a positive for the game, IMO.
Or maybe that's just wrong-headed (see what I did there?) ...  
Beezer : 8/11/2023 5:08 pm : link
... but I sure would love seeing it. lol
The show within the show  
ghost718 : 8/11/2023 5:17 pm : link
They probably just want a reason to laugh at these guys,now that they did away with those ugly ass Thursday night uniforms
RE: RE: I’m definitely in the minority  
81_Great_Dane : 8/11/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16170590 Beezer said:
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In comment 16170348 Dang Man said:


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But I think if they reduced the size of pads and helmets people would be a bit more protective of their bodies as opposed to launching themselves head first like missiles.



It sounds off the wall, and it would change the game some, but if "helmets" were more similar to those worn by Aussie rules footballers, in time there would be far fewer head and neck injuries. Open faces, too, would be a positive for the game, IMO.
You'd have to phase that in, at least starting in college and maybe even high school. Players used to playing with hard helmets and face masks will suffer a lot of injuries while adjusting to less protection. You need players who have learned how to protect themselves, as rugby players have.

Much easier to go from less protection to more than the opposite.

People point to rugby players as an example of players with less protection doing just ifne, but as somebody once pointed out, rugby players don't need to fight for/over every inch of forward progress. The game doesn't work that way. So a lot of rugby techniques are inherently different from gridiron football techniques.
RE: Man, there was an inventor  
FranknWeezer : 8/11/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16170575 widmerseyebrow said:
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That came up with a softshell helmet that looked absolutely massive and goofy. Can't find the original article.


Here you go...see article on the Gladiator.


The Gladiator (H/T UniWatch) - ( New Window )
RE: RE: I know it might sound crazy  
bradshaw44 : 8/11/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16170417 MNP70 said:
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In comment 16170340 bradshaw44 said:


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But when I played football back in the 80s and 90s as a kid, the one thing that truly bothered me was the sharp sound from the helmet during contact. I’ve always thought that has a correlation to the injuries and that inside of helmets should be lined with a thick but soft leather to absorb the sound and shock. Never understood why that was never discussed more.

Of course I could be dead wrong. But it was always a feeling and thought of mine.



I almost got into the equip recertification business many years ago. The sound that is made with plastic on plastic was engineered intentionally. This was openly discussed as a goal from the manufacturers, Bike in particular.


So that sound is a good thing??
RE: RE: Man, there was an inventor  
widmerseyebrow : 8/11/2023 8:37 pm : link
In comment 16170616 FranknWeezer said:
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In comment 16170575 widmerseyebrow said:


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That came up with a softshell helmet that looked absolutely massive and goofy. Can't find the original article.



Here you go...see article on the Gladiator.

The Gladiator (H/T UniWatch) - ( New Window )



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