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GF1080 : 8/16/2023 12:02 pm
We can use this for the rest of the season.
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Angels  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 10:06 am : link
call up Nolan Schanuel wow
RE: Angels  
Shecky : 8/18/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16175717 DanMetroMan said:
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call up Nolan Schanuel wow

HOLY spitballs, that’s INSANE!!!
Good for the kid 😮
Both  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 10:33 am : link
Javier Atencio and Luis R Rodriguez transferred to the 60 day IL, so much for a few interesting LHP's. jeez lol
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DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 10:37 am : link
Jung Hoo Lee will presumably have many suitors but he'll only be 25 in 2024, can play all 3 OF positions, and of course, a Korean star in Flushing/Queens would have benefits as well. Have to believe he's on the Mets radar
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DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 10:53 am : link
It appears *today* not tomorrow (8/19) is the first-day minor leaguers can be called up and still retain their rookie status for 2024 (PPI). Who knows if this is why Mauricio is still down but one less "reason" for Mauricio being down has been eliminated
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 11:23 am : link
17/45 in August, OPS over 1.200 for the month, Gutierrez 1-1, Almonte 1-1, Jeremy Rodriguez 0-1, BB, SB, Rosa 0-1, Baptist 2-3, 2b, SB
RE: Angels  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 11:42 am : link
In comment 16175717 DanMetroMan said:
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call up Nolan Schanuel wow




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Nolan Schanuel had some of the best batted ball data in the college class. Here are his numbers in contact%, chase% and 90th% EV:

-90th% EV: 106.3 mph (2023 season)
-Chase%: 19% (all college)
-Contact%: 87% (all college)


Mets 3rd rounder Nolan McLean had the worst contact% of the top 200 NCAA hitters for context 57%
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 11:49 am : link
in attendance for Miguel Flores showcase. 19 year old LHP from Cuba.
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DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 11:53 am : link
@mets have mostly stayed out of the Cuban market in recent seasons. Top of my head I think only Yordis Perera/Davciel Hurtado (missed 2023 due to injury) hail from Cuba (John Valle hails from Cuba but was drafted in the 2023 draft out of a Florida HS). I may be forgetting someone but the point remains
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DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16175818 DanMetroMan said:
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@mets have mostly stayed out of the Cuban market in recent seasons. Top of my head I think only Yordis Perera/Davciel Hurtado (missed 2023 due to injury) hail from Cuba (John Valle hails from Cuba but was drafted in the 2023 draft out of a Florida HS). I may be forgetting someone but the point remains


Daviel Hurtado (typo) and I forgot Karell Paz
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DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16175742 DanMetroMan said:
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Jung Hoo Lee will presumably have many suitors but he'll only be 25 in 2024, can play all 3 OF positions, and of course, a Korean star in Flushing/Queens would have benefits as well. Have to believe he's on the Mets radar


Now that's a nickname- Lee's is "Grandson of the Wind", his father was a KBO star whose nickname was "Son of the Wind"
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 1:55 pm : link
DSL play- Jeremy Rodriguez 0-2 BB, SB, Baptist 2-3, 2B, SB, K, Rosa 0-2 K, Moreta 5 innings 3 hits 1 run 0 walks 7 k’s, Anthony Crespo (signed 2 weeks ago) 1st career win in relief, Justin Ramirez 2-2 2B, 3B
Shinjo  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 2:59 pm : link
said when he was in AAA they were fed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and given towels with holes in them for showers. The Wilpons cheapness knew no bounds lol.

Also interesting (to me) Masato Yoshii said in 1998
@BobbyValentine
asked him if he'd feel comfortable moving to the BP because Armando Reynoso was returning from a rehab assignment. Yoshii didn't feel comfortable and Valentine listened to him and moved to a 6-man rotation
Christian  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2023 3:12 pm : link
Scott was scheduled to go tonight and now will not, I wonder if this is the beginning of severe innings limits/shut downs. Hopefully, he's not hurt.
Jett  
GF1080 : 8/20/2023 11:15 am : link
Jett Williams clearly the #1 prospect in the system. I don't care the other services have Acuna.
was bregman one of the hopeful comps when jett was drafted  
Eric on Li : 8/20/2023 11:20 am : link
or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).
RE: was bregman one of the hopeful comps when jett was drafted  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2023 11:21 am : link
In comment 16177704 Eric on Li said:
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or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).


Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2023 11:24 am : link
Should be interesting to see how Brendan Hardy fares in AA. He's not a hard-thrower but he's an A++ athlete who has only allowed 29 hits over the past 2 seasons 54.2 innings pitched with *85* k's
RE: RE: was bregman one of the hopeful comps when jett was drafted  
Eric on Li : 8/20/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16177706 DanMetroMan said:
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or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).



Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman


that would be a phenomenal outcome.

jett vs acuna is interesting, i think id still take the guy with the more explosive athleticism closer to the big leagues, but jett definitely has a path to being the better prospect if his power can surge past acuna's. right now both have almost the same total xbh on the year, but more than a year younger and only 1 level behind there is definitely a path.

next year should be a really fun one in the system. at least 5 guys with a legitimate claim to being the orgs top prospect post-mauricio all already posting well above average production at A+ and AA. 4/5 with a chance at premium positions.
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:24 am : link
Admittedly old for the DSL but Lucas Gordillo 1 inning 1 walk 2 k's, era now down to 1.36 over his first 33 professional innings. Walks are a concern (20) but he's also struck out 49 over that time
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:26 am : link
Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16178358 DanMetroMan said:
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Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200


*Justin Ramirez
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:30 am : link
I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:32 am : link
Strong August so far. Up and down season. Assuming he's not selected in the Rule 5, I expect Orze to be a NRI this Spring
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Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16178362 DanMetroMan said:
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I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive


they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:35 am : link
In comment 16178368 Eric on Li said:
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I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive



they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.


I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.
Diaz  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:38 am : link
obviously a lock, Montes De Oca is a lock, I can't see them dropping Walker, I suspect Hernandez is non-tendered but if he's not he'd take a spot as well + Jarvis + Crow (locks)

+ Alex Ramirez (very possibly)


and then Daniel Juarez, Jordany Ventura, Luke Ritter, Carlos Cortes, Brandon McIIwain all possibilities. I think Jackson (struggling in AA) is very much on the outside looking in.
Jeremiah Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:41 am : link
so far in AA

185 games (669 ab's) .229/.315/.417 191 k's, 79 walks. I'd be very surprised if the Mets add him at this point and if he's taken, I'd be shocked if he weren't returned.
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16178359 DanMetroMan said:
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Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200



*Justin Ramirez


Scorching hot finish

Justin Ramirez 2-2 , single , HR , RBI, R
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Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16178372 DanMetroMan said:
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I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive



they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.



I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.


if you eyeball the 40 i think you will probably come to a similar number i came to of about 17 spots that can be cleared. so net out the 4 for the injured guys assuming they dont want to non-tender and there are still almost a dozen spots.

i think half of those will probably go to MLB players (2sp, at least 3 rps, maybe 1 veteran OF) so there are probably at least 6 spots for minor leaguers. jarvis, crow, ramirez i think are locks. and that's before trading anyone out.

i cant remember if ritter/mcillwain need to be protected and if so maybe they do them or cortes before jackson since they are all easy auditions for bad teams unlike jackson.
Ritter  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:44 am : link
McIIwain, Jarvis, Crow, Juarez, Ventura, Cortes, Matt Allan, Stanley Consuegra, Jose Peroza, Jeremiah Jackson, Eric Orze, Joander Suarez

(not a complete list) but all are Rule 5 eligible
RE: Ritter  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:44 am : link
In comment 16178380 DanMetroMan said:
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McIIwain, Jarvis, Crow, Juarez, Ventura, Cortes, Matt Allan, Stanley Consuegra, Jose Peroza, Jeremiah Jackson, Eric Orze, Joander Suarez

(not a complete list) but all are Rule 5 eligible


As is Alex Ramirez
McIIwain  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:46 am : link
15 games in Syracuse .286/.444/.469, 6/7 SB's, 12 walks/12 k's, 5 extra base hits, can play all 3 OF positions.
Brendan  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 10:53 am : link
Hardy is also Rule 5 eligible and as a AA arm with a ton of minor league success if probably a guy teams are scouting hard over the final few weeks. 13.74 K/9 since OD 2022 with a 2.73 FIP (2nd best in the organization)
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16178378 DanMetroMan said:
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Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200



*Justin Ramirez



Scorching hot finish

Justin Ramirez 2-2 , single , HR , RBI, R


Make that 3-3.


Daniel Juarez (rule 5 eligible) since OD 2022 has held opposing hitters to a .161 BAA (2nd only to the aforementioned Brendan Hardy). He also leads the organization in whip (0.98), and is 6th in FIP (3.21) over that time
Jeremy Rodriguez (Pham trade)  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 11:34 am : link
infield single
Christian  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 11:45 am : link
Scott is going to go for a *third* opinion. The second doctor thinks he can *possibly* avoid TJ. They are still working through their options.
RE: Jeremy Rodriguez (Pham trade)  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 11:54 am : link
In comment 16178415 DanMetroMan said:
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infield single


he feels like next year's big riser. before the pham trade i was hoping they'd get a comparable or better return than what they got for robertson, they only got one player instead of 2 but rodriguez has to be the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas. i dont know how different the dsl/fcl comp level is but he only just turned 17 years old last month. if comes anywhere close to a similar season next year he's going to get some helium.



vargas' performance stayed pretty steady dsl --> fcl.

DSL  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:01 pm : link
stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:03 pm : link
79 players in the DSL have a 120+ or greater wRC+
RE: DSL  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16178458 DanMetroMan said:
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stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.


the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.
Aron  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:06 pm : link
Estrada 2022 in DSL (17 years old) .368/.483/.566-178 wRC+, 2023 CPX .179/.352/.357- 95 wRC+

Reylin Perez 175 wRC+ in 2022 (17 years old in the DSL)

wRC+ this season... 48.
RE: RE: DSL  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16178462 Eric on Li said:
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stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.



the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.


Even then, the walk rates in the DSL are absurd. 24 players have walked at least 20% of their ab's this season, 53 players have walked at least as many times as they have struck out.
RE: Lol  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16178459 DanMetroMan said:
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79 players in the DSL have a 120+ or greater wRC+


there are 27 players under 18 in the DSL who have a 1:1 or better k:bb ratio, rodriguez is 3rd youngest of all them and also 3rd highest iso.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/minor-league?pos=all&level=0&lg=30&stats=bat&qual=y&type=1&team=&season=2023&seasonEnd=2023&org=&ind=0&splitTeam=false&players=&sort=7,1&filter=Age%7Clt%7C18,Age%7Clt%7C17 - ( New Window )
17  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:11 pm : link
year old Yerlin Luis (Guardians) 121 ab's 53 walks (not a typo)

Luis Lameda (17, Brewers) 141 ab's 35 walks, 20 k's

When I say DSL numbers tell us little to nothing, it's the truth. It's essentially a rec league that has players who who landed 3 million dollar bonuses against players who were part of open workouts.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:14 pm : link
all I can tell you is teams/prospect writers view DSL stats as mostly meaningless. Yankees SS prospect Roderick Arias hit .194 and he still had MAJOR helium (143 wRC+ this season in the CPX).
The  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:15 pm : link
Mets had Anthony Crespo as part of an open workout, and signed him on the spot, a week later he was appearing in DSL games (and doing pretty well)
ok but being the youngest and one of the best players in any league  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 12:17 pm : link
is still a good thing. the numerical value of the dsl aside, here's a question that will hopefully articulate my point - is there anything in rodriguez' DSL season that looks less promising than Vargas' 2022 DSL season?

obviously we are talking about players at ages that make their volatility extreme, but that's kind of the point.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2023 12:21 pm : link
In comment 16178475 DanMetroMan said:
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all I can tell you is teams/prospect writers view DSL stats as mostly meaningless. Yankees SS prospect Roderick Arias hit .194 and he still had MAJOR helium (143 wRC+ this season in the CPX).


we need to hold more than one thought at the same time here - guys getting $1m bonuses isn't meaningless. performing as the youngest in a league isn't meaningless. the numbers of that league may be meaningless but his numbers were not my point.

the numbers in the league only mattered as far as comparing to vargas' numbers being similar in that same league, and that rodriguez seems to have improved over the year in something that is considered highly skill based (his k/walk ratio). that's the entire premise of DRC.
Doesn't  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2023 12:21 pm : link
Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
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