Field Yates
@FieldYates
The Giants have restructured the contract of QB Daniel Jones, converting $8.42M of his base salary into a signing bonus and creating $6.315M in cap space, per source.
to trade a williams or jackson they may need to pay down some of the cap number depending on the acquiring team's cap, but if they end up in that position and do it they would likely get compensated for it w/ draft picks in excess of whatever comp pick projected as opposed to doing it for nothing.
I'm not sure where you're going with the probability of trading Jones so I don't how to answer that.
With the benefit of hindsight, we do know how things developed.
The Giants wanted to create $6.315M in cap savings. If they had chosen Williams as a conduit, his 2023 salary would have dropped to about 8M for 2023. That would have made him very tradable. But more importantly trading him would have been a net positive to the Giants cap.
In this instance choosing to restructure Williams:
1) Benefits the Giants by draft picks required, and the cap space saved
2) Keeps the powder on Jones's salary dry, and it can utilized for future cap maneuvers
I'm not sure how this is an argument against restructuring Williams vs. Jones?
by the deadline there could be 2 or 3 contenders with almost enough space to absorb williams remaining salary. ideally 1 of them would be interested.
if not as i said you can pay down williams enough to make him tradable to whatever team most wants him, but you aren't guessing ahead of time, you only pay down as much as you have to. or if they want you to pay down more of his salary it costs them more draft picks.
nobody wants to have to sell and id be surprised if they end up in that position but the whole point is keep options open.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think you know what gaslighting means.
There’s gaslighting in this thread. Just not where you pointed towards.
hey look it's googs - the gangs all here!
if i have time later ill try to think of a way to use ron dayne to contextualize this for you.
Hey look, you seem to miss several things! Just like you missed that the best NFL prospect running back or WR in a draft may not be the one that wins the college award.
id be surprised if they end up in that position but the whole point is keep options open.
OK I get it. So the downside is in the event you decide to trade Williams and you restructured him, you might eat more of his salary than otherwise necessary.
I can buy that as an edge reason in favor of restructuring Jones.
Christian, brush up on that math and get the year correct. 2007 is the wrong one. Details and fundamentals.
Hey sunshine. This is feeling very personnel. I've been waiting for the outcome of my assumptions all day, and nothing happened. I'm disappointed!
I have said making assumptions in the game of football and most things in life often does not end well. I have told you that before. Preparation and Execution are good. Coaches and any good leader I have been around don't make assumptions. You consistently make assumptions.
Not sure how you came to the conclusion I was threatening you. Actually it does make sense.......to me at least.
Aw Eeyore, I've never made any assumptions about you! There's no need. Who you are is on full display every single time you start smashing the keyboard. Chief among the many, many things you are is transparent old chap.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
Aw Eeyore, I've never made any assumptions about you! There's no need. Who you are is on full display every single time you start smashing the keyboard. Chief among the many, many things you are is transparent old chap.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
You just made my point. Again. I never said the assumptions were about me. You assumed it was.
You seem to be short-circuiting again. Time to recharge that the clock upstairs of yours and get some rest.
Aw Eeyore, I've never made any assumptions about you! There's no need. Who you are is on full display every single time you start smashing the keyboard. Chief among the many, many things you are is transparent old chap.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
You just made my point. Again. I never said the assumptions were about me. You assumed it was.
You seem to be short-circuiting again. Time to recharge that the clock upstairs of yours and get some rest.
Darn. Well I guess you're playing chess and I'm just playing bingo. [Insert mind blown emoji].
Good night old pal. Give me a shout tomorrow so we can do it again.
Just one more thing, can you tell me what that outcome I might not like is? Can you do that for a friend pretty please?
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to trade a williams or jackson they may need to pay down some of the cap number depending on the acquiring team's cap, but if they end up in that position and do it they would likely get compensated for it w/ draft picks in excess of whatever comp pick projected as opposed to doing it for nothing.
I'm not sure where you're going with the probability of trading Jones so I don't how to answer that.
With the benefit of hindsight, we do know how things developed.
The Giants wanted to create $6.315M in cap savings. If they had chosen Williams as a conduit, his 2023 salary would have dropped to about 8M for 2023. That would have made him very tradable. But more importantly trading him would have been a net positive to the Giants cap.
In this instance choosing to restructure Williams:
1) Benefits the Giants by draft picks required, and the cap space saved
2) Keeps the powder on Jones's salary dry, and it can utilized for future cap maneuvers
I'm not sure how this is an argument against restructuring Williams vs. Jones?
by the deadline there could be 2 or 3 contenders with almost enough space to absorb williams remaining salary. ideally 1 of them would be interested.
if not as i said you can pay down williams enough to make him tradable to whatever team most wants him, but you aren't guessing ahead of time, you only pay down as much as you have to. or if they want you to pay down more of his salary it costs them more draft picks.
nobody wants to have to sell and id be surprised if they end up in that position but the whole point is keep options open.
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TBC on "musical chairs."
i think ed mason nailed it.
There’s gaslighting in this thread. Just not where you pointed towards.
hey look it's googs - the gangs all here!
if i have time later ill try to think of a way to use ron dayne to contextualize this for you.
Hey look, you seem to miss several things! Just like you missed that the best NFL prospect running back or WR in a draft may not be the one that wins the college award.
OK I get it. So the downside is in the event you decide to trade Williams and you restructured him, you might eat more of his salary than otherwise necessary.
I can buy that as an edge reason in favor of restructuring Jones.
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Christian, brush up on that math and get the year correct. 2007 is the wrong one. Details and fundamentals.
Hey sunshine. This is feeling very personnel. I've been waiting for the outcome of my assumptions all day, and nothing happened. I'm disappointed!
I have said making assumptions in the game of football and most things in life often does not end well. I have told you that before. Preparation and Execution are good. Coaches and any good leader I have been around don't make assumptions. You consistently make assumptions.
Not sure how you came to the conclusion I was threatening you. Actually it does make sense.......to me at least.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
You just made my point. Again. I never said the assumptions were about me. You assumed it was.
You seem to be short-circuiting again. Time to recharge that the clock upstairs of yours and get some rest.
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Aw Eeyore, I've never made any assumptions about you! There's no need. Who you are is on full display every single time you start smashing the keyboard. Chief among the many, many things you are is transparent old chap.
I'm glad we've cleared this up. I'd hate nothing more than for this to get personnel. I hate getting human resources involved in stuff like this.
You just made my point. Again. I never said the assumptions were about me. You assumed it was.
You seem to be short-circuiting again. Time to recharge that the clock upstairs of yours and get some rest.
Darn. Well I guess you're playing chess and I'm just playing bingo. [Insert mind blown emoji].
Good night old pal. Give me a shout tomorrow so we can do it again.
Just one more thing, can you tell me what that outcome I might not like is? Can you do that for a friend pretty please?