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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2023 8:08 pm
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RE: That's the issue with Jones  
RCPhoenix : 9/10/2023 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16198777 Sean said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.


The OL has been horrid.
This team is bad..  
prdave73 : 9/10/2023 9:56 pm : link
Just terribly put together. No number #1 WR, worst offensive line in the league, and no pass rushers. lol.
RE: That's the issue with Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/10/2023 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16198777 Sean said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.


Yeah the Oline hasn't been that bad...................
This team looks lost  
Rjanyg : 9/10/2023 9:56 pm : link
I can only hope they score a point tonight. I also hope they play better week 2. Can’t play much worse.
RE: Any news on  
BleedBlue : 9/10/2023 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16198786 SomeFan said:
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Banks?


Cramps is what Twitter is saying
...  
christian : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
Sean, it's clearly Jerry Reese's fault the 7th overall pick, 5 years after he was fired, is getting his ass kicked.

Jerry Reese isn't only a 2 time championship, he's a mother f'n witch doctor.
I blame the NFL too for this. Opening up against Dallas is prime time  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
every year is really a disadvantage.
RE: That's the issue with Jones  
bw in dc : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16198777 Sean said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.


He definitely needs to overcome adversity. And take advantage of opportunities when available. But nothing is going right at this point. It's like falling out of airplane and the parachute won't open...
Except  
AcidTest : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
for Thomas the Ol is really bad, especially Neal. He clearly doesn't have the feet to play tackle, but Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski were also bad. The OL will likely be a problem all season.

I'd like to see Ezeudu and McKethan in the second half, and although I can't believe I'm saying this, Peart. Neal should be benched.

Schoen improved the team speed everywhere except on the OL.

We also aren't generating any pass rush.

This game is still won in the trenches, and we are losing there on both sides of the ball.
Shurmur sucked both years  
Chris684 : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
But McAdoo and Judge went backwards in year 2.

Daboll is going to have to get their attention after this one. If they happen to drop a game next week to the Cards it’s off to San Fran on short rest.
Btw  
mittenedman : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
I know there’s no way of knowing now but DJ’s head got slammed into the turf on that first run. He looks terrible.
RE: RE: I never thought Jones was very good  
santacruzom : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16198780 SomeFan said:
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At hitting guys going across the field in stride. We just saw it there on that pass to Hyatt.

I agree. His long pass is decent and sideline is ok but his timing is at best erratic to guys moving across the field


Which is unfortunate because the horizontal passing game sure seems like a Daboll staple.
RE: ????????????????  
The_Boss : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16198737 MauiYankee said:
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Can this team beat a division rival?


This operation is going nowhere until they can beat Dallas and Philadelphia. What pisses me off is fucking Washington stumbles into wins every now and again vs those guys. With us it’s a 100% lead pipe lock loss.
RE: RE: RE: Hyatt  
bluefin : 9/10/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16198779 fredgbrown said:
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.

And then Jones is sacked again.



Not a great pass...

He has played WR his whole life got to catch that ball..no excuses...

Toney was lambasted for dropping a much harder ball that Hyatt’s drop
Jones has zero time, he's running from the minute he gets the snap  
PatersonPlank : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
The crowd here is in disbelief
RE: RE: Any news on  
SomeFan : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16198796 BleedBlue said:
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Banks?



Cramps is what Twitter is saying
Thanks, only good news tonight
RE: RE: That's the issue with Jones  
Sammo85 : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16198790 RCPhoenix said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.



The OL has been horrid.


It has.

Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.

Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
RE: RE: That's the issue with Jones  
Sean : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16198790 RCPhoenix said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.



The OL has been horrid.

Of course it has. But that doesn't excuse the awful pick which was thrown which led to a Dallas TD.
RE: Btw  
bluefin : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16198805 mittenedman said:
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I know there’s no way of knowing now but DJ’s head got slammed into the turf on that first run. He looks terrible.

Possible factor
Oh stop it  
HomerJones45 : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
geez, it's one game and any team can have a bad game. You are never as bad as you look when you lose and never as good as you look when you win.

The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hyatt  
BleedBlue : 9/10/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16198809 bluefin said:
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.

And then Jones is sacked again.



Not a great pass...

He has played WR his whole life got to catch that ball..no excuses...


Toney was lambasted for dropping a much harder ball that Hyatt’s drop


It’s a drop….

He is an nfl wr and it him in hands. It’s a drop…
the game is simple  
jmalls23 : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.
RE: That's the issue with Jones  
The_Boss : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16198777 Sean said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.


Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.
RE: Jones has zero time, he's running from the minute he gets the snap  
NYPanos : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16198811 PatersonPlank said:
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The crowd here is in disbelief


How about the beautiful interception? Was that the fans fault?
Jets had similar draft capital  
Kanavis : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
And came away with the offensive and defensive rookies of the year. We came up with a mediocre pash rusher and a non NFL tackle.
The only bright spot is,  
prdave73 : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
Deonte Banks. The dude looks legit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hyatt  
bw in dc : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16198819 BleedBlue said:
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It’s a drop….

He is an nfl wr and it him in hands. It’s a drop…


He dropped a bad pass.
RE: the game is simple  
AcidTest : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
In comment 16198821 jmalls23 said:
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If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.


Yup.
This team must be cursed with OL  
beatrixkiddo : 9/10/2023 9:59 pm : link
No other explanation. Over a decade of just shit OL play. It’s a joke
Sure, Jones has had a terrible half,  
CT Charlie : 9/10/2023 10:00 pm : link
but I'm not going to read much into it. The pass protection is abysmal, the weather is bad, and he was allowed to play a total of what, three drives in the entire preseason?

RE: Booed off the field  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/10/2023 10:00 pm : link
In comment 16198738 The_Boss said:
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Good
I’m not sure this is what BD meant when he asked the fans to be loud
what happened to all the weapons?  
bc4life : 9/10/2023 10:00 pm : link
if the OLine is still this bad with 3 picks in 1st 2 rounds, whose fault is that?
We knew out O Line and Special Teams were suspect.  
Modzelewski : 9/10/2023 10:00 pm : link
But I didn’t think it was this bad.
I  
AcidTest : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
think Jones is rattled, which isn't surprising given that he's running for his life as soon as he touches the ball on every pass play. His OL is a sieve. He's desperate to make something happen as the QB and so is pressing.
RE: The only bright spot is,  
bluefin : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198826 prdave73 said:
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Deonte Banks. The dude looks legit.

He came up limping after the sideline PBU
"Coach McCarthy, what adjustments did you make at Halftime?"  
Anakim : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
"I decided to link my headset to McDonald's and Dak listened to a comedy podcast"
RE: Oh stop it  
Sammo85 : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198818 HomerJones45 said:
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geez, it's one game and any team can have a bad game. You are never as bad as you look when you lose and never as good as you look when you win.

The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.


Commanders have a hellish front 7 on defense too. Giants have an ugly talent discrepancy in their own division.
RE: the game is simple  
wonderback : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198821 jmalls23 said:
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If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.


Plus a million!
Smart, Tough, Dependable  
US1 Giants : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
total failure
RE: RE: RE: That's the issue with Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198814 Sammo85 said:
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.



The OL has been horrid.



It has.

Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.

Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.


Are we really pinning the first INT on Jones? Barkley wasn't touched by God, he was touched by the top of a helmet.
RE: RE: Any news on  
Anakim : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198796 BleedBlue said:
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Banks?



Cramps is what Twitter is saying


He's not the only one looking like he's going through a period
RE: RE: Oh stop it  
FStubbs : 9/10/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16198840 Sammo85 said:
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geez, it's one game and any team can have a bad game. You are never as bad as you look when you lose and never as good as you look when you win.

The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.



Commanders have a hellish front 7 on defense too. Giants have an ugly talent discrepancy in their own division.


Honestly, the only reason we beat the Commanders is because we have their number. On paper they should gouge us a new one with that line.
RE: Last 2 games played  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/10/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16198774 Chris684 said:
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Down 28-0 to Eagles at half.

Down 26-0 to Cowboys at half.


True..excellent point
RE: I  
wonderback : 9/10/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16198837 AcidTest said:
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think Jones is rattled, which isn't surprising given that he's running for his life as soon as he touches the ball on every pass play. His OL is a sieve. He's desperate to make something happen as the QB and so is pressing.


No kidding.
Thunderstruck27  
Sean : 9/10/2023 10:02 pm : link
Come on. That first INT clearly wasn't on Jones. It was the 2nd one. That was a horrific decision. That should be clear. The ensuing drive led to a Dallas TD.
RE: RE: That's the issue with Jones  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16198823 The_Boss said:
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In comment 16198777 Sean said:


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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.



Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.


No QB in the world can succeed with what we’re seeing from the offensive line tonight.
RE: RE: the game is simple  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/10/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16198841 wonderback said:
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If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.



Plus a million!


Pick any Giants oline from 2013 on and that line fits
Talk is cheap.  
State Your Name : 9/10/2023 10:03 pm : link
Play the game.
I don’t think you can overstate  
dlauster : 9/10/2023 10:03 pm : link
How confident Dallas and Philly feel when they play us. They know they own us.
Next week  
rocco8112 : 9/10/2023 10:03 pm : link
Is a must win
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