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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/17/2023 3:46 pm
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RE: RE: RE: Anyone not thinking about draft position  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 9/17/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16209052 Knickstape said:
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Is just in denial. This team is fucking dreadful.

Just need to hope schoen isn’t a fucking idiot and would pull the trigger on Caleb Williams if given the opportunity


Not in denial, but what gets you excited about the draft with their lack of talent evaluation?




I think Caleb Williams is as can’t miss as a prospect can be.

However I have 0 faith schoen would actually take him since he just paid jones and would look like an idiot


Shedeur Sanders.
RE: That was not on Jones  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16209079 bluefin said:
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to take a deep shot, you need 3-4 seconds - but the 2/5 UNC line were beaten by a 3-man rush


Bullshit. Ive been as huge a defender of Daniel as exists. There was PLENTY of space to his left to scramble or slide. He just ran right into a defender. It was embarrassing.
I thought Dallas was just a bad game that snowballed  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
But I don’t get how bad they have looked on offense here. The OL isnt even that bad. They don’t look creative enough or well coached. Danny looks hesitant.

If we don’t have an advantage on the sideline we’re in trouble.
shut outs  
Boss 63 : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
when was last time a team was shut out ist 2 games to start season ?
I've been a Jones fan, but here's the facts  
markky : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
Jones wasn't good enough in high school to get a D1 offer (other than Ivy league). He transferred to Duke.

He wasn't good enough at Duke to be considered a high first round prospect coming out. But we took him, and apparently a couple other teams maybe were interested as well.

He's on his third head coach in the NFL. Hasn't lit it up.

At some point do we expect him to light it up? Probabilities are very low. Very low.
RE: RE: Most of the blame is with  
Sean : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16209085 Route 9 said:
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Wink. Just awful defense.

Our "improved" WRs are awful - just awful. Campbell acn't catch and Waller is almost as bad.



0 points on offense in 6 quarters in the modern day NFL lol

Only BBI would blame the defense. Can't make it up.
RE: Will someone throw a chair  
rnargi : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16209058 yalebowl said:
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In the locker room at half time?


Why? Someone will just drop it.
RE: Some  
bigbluescot : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16209089 AcidTest said:
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thoughts:

Jones isn't processing well. He's definitely not seeing some open receivers. Taking a sack at the end of the half was also bad, and he badly underthrew Slayton.

Barkley has no holes to run, but allowing another pass to bounce of his hands was inexcusable.

There is no pressure by the DL. KT is AWOL. He's being easily blocked by one man. Dobbs had plenty of time to throw.

The run defense is also porous. Ward is being washed out in the run game and we can't set the edge.

Pinnock was killed by Ertz.

Bad coaching by Daboll to waste a TO on that sill challenge on the pass to Moore, and then not calling a TO at about 1:50 was also poor.

This is likely the worst team in the league. Outscored 60-0 in six quarters, and after adding Waller, Campbell, and Hyatt.


Ward I think is another miscalculation. He did well last year but I think this might be a year too far for him
Jones looks shook.  
wma31 : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
And that's hard to watch. He looks like the QB from 2 years ago who is always indecisive. I get it with that o-line and dropped passes, but he should be beyond that in year 5 and with the big contract behind him.
RE: RE: This is as bad as I’ve seen  
Joe Beckwith : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16209042 DonnieD89 said:
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since I was a kid.

We are going back to the mid-1970s.

THAT kind of bad.



Yep…


They’re challenging those mid 60s teams for suck, except there was little talent on those teams.
Kafka...  
bluewave : 9/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
Hope he isn't hoping for HC interviews after this season ends...
How about the next coach come  
yalebowl : 9/17/2023 5:38 pm : link
The defensive side of the ball. All of the last offensive coaches except for Coughlin have failed.
Right  
AcidTest : 9/17/2023 5:38 pm : link
now, KT and Neal look like they should not have been drafted in the first round, let alone at #5 and #7. If they don't come close to justifying their draft status, that's on Schoen. He's the GM. Those are his picks.
RE: RE: Some  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16209097 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Barkley has no holes to run, but allowing another pass to bounce of his hands was inexcusable.





Disagree, Barkley had holes, he just has shitty vision. He missed holes last week too.


Bingo. They showed the play in which he had a slight hole and Bark just decided to slide left instead of going through the crease.

Lets not even get into his business decision on the pick.
The game often times is too fast for Jones  
Sean : 9/17/2023 5:38 pm : link
Something Sy has always said.
I've been watching this team since I was 7 years old....  
jerseyboyLAX : 9/17/2023 5:38 pm : link
and now I'm 67....this is pathetic. I don't mind losing, but this team is SOFT...not NFL caliber vs every other game I've watched today on the good ol' Redzone....

SOFT. P*ssies.
RE: RE: Will someone throw a chair  
NoGainDayne : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16209106 rnargi said:
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In the locker room at half time?



Why? Someone will just drop it.


LOL
Paris Hilton  
bronxboy : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
has better hands than Paris Campbell.
RE: RE: RE: Most of the blame is with  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16209105 Sean said:
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Wink. Just awful defense.

Our "improved" WRs are awful - just awful. Campbell acn't catch and Waller is almost as bad.



0 points on offense in 6 quarters in the modern day NFL lol


Only BBI would blame the defense. Can't make it up.


What in the fuck game are you watching? The Giants got steamrolled by a backup QB and James Freakin Connor.
60-0  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
tells me we may have a Head Coach problem. Hopefully a big turnaround in the second half.

It does not take long to lose a team.
RE: Right  
HarryCarson53 : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16209113 AcidTest said:
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now, KT and Neal look like they should not have been drafted in the first round, let alone at #5 and #7. If they don't come close to justifying their draft status, that's on Schoen. He's the GM. Those are his picks.

And I was so hopeful after he replaced the magnets.
RE: Some  
amindan54 : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16209089 AcidTest said:
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thoughts:

Jones isn't processing well. He's definitely not seeing some open receivers. Taking a sack at the end of the half was also bad, and he badly underthrew Slayton.

Barkley has no holes to run, but allowing another pass to bounce of his hands was inexcusable.

There is no pressure by the DL. KT is AWOL. He's being easily blocked by one man. Dobbs had plenty of time to throw.

The run defense is also porous. Ward is being washed out in the run game and we can't set the edge.

Pinnock was killed by Ertz.

Bad coaching by Daboll to waste a TO on that sill challenge on the pass to Moore, and then not calling a TO at about 1:50 was also poor.

This is likely the worst team in the league. Outscored 60-0 in six quarters, and after adding Waller, Campbell, and Hyatt.


adding waller, campbell, hyatt is a lot less impactful.

reason colts/raiders were happy to let him go.

all 32 teams passed on hyatt multipel times.
Looks like they still suck in the trenches  
WillVAB : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
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Route 9 : 9/17/2023 5:39 pm : link
They both suck lol
when is last team  
Boss 63 : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
to get shut out ist 2games of season?
DJs  
Daniel in MI : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In part to blame, but JFC can he get help? Campbell dropping them. SB popping up the INTs like Ingram. Waller dropping them. SB stutter stepping at the line again. Everyone sux.

And WTF is going on with the D? They’re a sieve. This isn’t KC, it’s AZ. Maybe bringing in pieces late was a bad idea? Still no pass rusher from outside. Soft on the run again. McFadden and Okereke playing like JAGs.

Wow  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
The season is over in September...again..
RE: I've been a Jones fan, but here's the facts  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209103 markky said:
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Jones wasn't good enough in high school to get a D1 offer (other than Ivy league). He transferred to Duke.

He wasn't good enough at Duke to be considered a high first round prospect coming out. But we took him, and apparently a couple other teams maybe were interested as well.

He's on his third head coach in the NFL. Hasn't lit it up.

At some point do we expect him to light it up? Probabilities are very low. Very low.


Jones is playing like hot dogshit, but his play at Duke and his recruiting rankings doesnt have anything to do with anything.
RE: RE: Will someone throw a chair  
Matt M. : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209106 rnargi said:
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In the locker room at half time?



Why? Someone will just drop it.
I was going with it would be behind the intended target, but that works.
RE: The game often times is too fast for Jones  
SomeFan : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209115 Sean said:
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Something Sy has always said.
what is this? His fourth season? That is not changing.
I’ve been something of a Jones defender  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
But he is part of the problem right now. Certainly not the entire problem by any means, but he needs to step up big time. That last play when he couldnt see the huge hole to his left to escape a THREE man rush…pathetic.
RE: I've been a Jones fan, but here's the facts  
bigbluescot : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209103 markky said:
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Jones wasn't good enough in high school to get a D1 offer (other than Ivy league). He transferred to Duke.

He wasn't good enough at Duke to be considered a high first round prospect coming out. But we took him, and apparently a couple other teams maybe were interested as well.

He's on his third head coach in the NFL. Hasn't lit it up.

At some point do we expect him to light it up? Probabilities are very low. Very low.


Jones has enough physical skills to be a good NFL Qb, he’s just slow at processing. A lot of the problem is we’ve taken the kiddy wheels off the defense , or teams have adapted to what we did last year so Jones is having to actually work through reads and feel pressure and he simply can’t.
Even most of the balls he’s completed are late to the middle of the field
RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209094 section125 said:
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First one in the building every morning



They have 6 or 7 drops and you blame Jones?


Who underthrew Slayton? Who overthrew Campbell?
RE: I've been watching this team since I was 7 years old....  
sb2003 : 9/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16209116 jerseyboyLAX said:
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and now I'm 67....this is pathetic. I don't mind losing, but this team is SOFT...not NFL caliber vs every other game I've watched today on the good ol' Redzone....

SOFT. P*ssies.


I think that's probably the best way to describe them. "SOFT".
A far cry from a TC or Parcells coached team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Most of the blame is with  
Sean : 9/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16209120 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Wink. Just awful defense.

Our "improved" WRs are awful - just awful. Campbell acn't catch and Waller is almost as bad.



0 points on offense in 6 quarters in the modern day NFL lol


Only BBI would blame the defense. Can't make it up.



What in the fuck game are you watching? The Giants got steamrolled by a backup QB and James Freakin Connor.

They haven't scored a fucking point in 6 quarters.
I was puzzled by the criticism of Thibodeaux  
cosmicj : 9/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
Last week, but I’m getting it now. He’s been invisible today.

This is baffling. Everyone knows Wink is a top DC. What is going on here?
The dallas game  
thrunthrublue : 9/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
Gave jones PTSD (passes that slow deliver).
RE: RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16209136 Greg from LI said:
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First one in the building every morning



They have 6 or 7 drops and you blame Jones?




Who underthrew Slayton? Who overthrew Campbell?


Who can he count on to make a play on the ball? Even if you don't excuse Jones....we have nobody that can even step up on offense and make him look good for one play. A fucking completion is an accomplishment in this offense.
RE: RE: Will someone throw a chair  
Gforce11 : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16209106 rnargi said:
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In the locker room at half time?





Why? Someone will just drop it.


Or have it picked off
So what are the excuses today for Jones???  
Chris L. : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
The O line, the receivers....no...he just sucks.
That Ford commercial  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
Daboll saying, "there are no playbooks for success" is ringing a bit too literally.
RE: RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
Matt M. : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16209136 Greg from LI said:
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First one in the building every morning



They have 6 or 7 drops and you blame Jones?




Who underthrew Slayton? Who overthrew Campbell?
And threw behind Waller. And had a pass tipped.
Where the fuck was that 2 quarters ago!?  
bwitz : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
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Logan  
AcidTest : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
Thomas for Washington just basically took a kill shot to the head. He's still down. Hope he's OK. Incredibly, he held onto the ball for a TD on fourth down.
Big play  
rocco8112 : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
Would have liked it go all the way.

RE: I was puzzled by the criticism of Thibodeaux  
Adirondack GMen : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16209140 cosmicj said:
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Last week, but I’m getting it now. He’s been invisible today.

This is baffling. Everyone knows Wink is a top DC. What is going on here?

Anyone notice he’s getting double teamed?
That was the exact same route he was open on earlier  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
and Jones missed him
Hey i think that's that Jalin Hyatt guy  
Giantology : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
I like him
RE: RE: I've been a Jones fan, but here's the facts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2023 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16209131 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Jones is playing like hot dogshit, but his play at Duke and his recruiting rankings doesnt have anything to do with anything.


Inasmuch as it's an indicator of his talent level and potential for success at the highest level, it does. College football is the #2 sport in the country and QB is the hardest position to fill in football and you couldn't find a program that wanted him.
Great route  
Sammo85 : 9/17/2023 5:43 pm : link
by Hyatt.
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