...why on the play before his injury did he go down behind the LOS for like a three yard loss.
I thought that really was not a smart play.
You're playing for clock time. They were kicking the FG the whole time, not trying to advance the ball.
Well if that's the point, why did we run hard on the next two plays? LOL
My point, it was a dumb play. You run it for positive yardage and make them use their time out. You don't go backwards.
In fact, I bet Daboll probably got word to SB from the sideline to run that ball up in there like you mean it....and then of course he got hurt on 2nd down.
And Breida's run was actually quite nice considering the Cards were waiting for it on third down.........
like PI by the Commanders defender on the two point conversion, but Holmes wasn't called for even more obvious PI against Washington in the end zone last season.
Wtf? So your point is that since Holmes got away with one last season Washington is forever given the benefit of doubt? What the hell does Holmes have to do with the play from today? So, every interference call from now until eternity you’re going to bring up a play from last season? You’re trying too hard, bruh
No, not forever, and not even again. Just saying last year they had one against their receiver in the end zone that wasn't called, and today their defender in the same situation wasn't called. The explanation for both "non-calls" is likely that the officials are at least a little more reluctant to throw a flag in those situations. But both plays were penalties IMO.
Arizona played well.....and than the Giants played inspired
Was Jones sacked in the second half? I don't think so. With two backups playing, and Glowinski back in at left guard.
Now the worry beside Barkley is Bredeson's concussion. No way he plays Thursday.
The line kind of looked better after he went out. If Thomas is back Ezedu at guard may work fine.
Glowinski missed 3 blocks in his first 4 plays....literally no hitters. He needs to stay on the bench. Hopefully Bredeson only misses 1 game and Ezeudo takes over on Thursday with Thomas returning to LT.
It felt like the season was on the line every drive of the second half was relieved when it was over. We experienced the Daniel Jones floor game in the first half and the Daniel Jones ceiling game in the second half.
Again, Jones' "floor in the 1st half" included 6 drops - 6 drops. The INT was right through Barkley's hands. If you want to shit on Jones for the 1st half, your next sentence must include all the drops.
Didn’t take a shot that was there, missed a shot, overcooked a screen and generally seemed uneasy. I’m only going off memory from the broadcast too. He was very bad, full stop. A big a reason for our awful offense. I’ve defended him plenty and was in favor of the extension given the out. But he was awful independent of the things around him, which were also awful. We went 6 quarters without scoring a point.
Having said all that, he was a superstar in the 2nd half and put the team on his back.
That was a fun game! I was okay with whatever outcome took place, I was just relieved we finally showed a pulse. Ecstatic we pulled out the win though.
Thank God the FO didn’t puss out and give him a McAffrey contract. Unfortunate he got hurt, but he gets hurt every year which is why you don’t give him a long term contract.
You'll see his value if he's not on the field. Opposing defenses aren't biting on PA with Breida/Gray/Brightwell, which is going to put more stress on DJ.
Thank God the FO didn’t puss out and give him a McAffrey contract. Unfortunate he got hurt, but he gets hurt every year which is why you don’t give him a long term contract.
You'll see his value if he's not on the field. Opposing defenses aren't biting on PA with Breida/Gray/Brightwell, which is going to put more stress on DJ.
They weren’t really biting on PA with Barkley in the lineup.
To beat the teams coming up on our schedule. Not sure why that’s even a debate. The offensive line isn’t good enough to smoke and mirrors with lesser running backs
Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
In the quarter century that I've run this site, there have been many people who have written game reviews. Sy is the best I've had, which is saying something given the work guys like Joey has done.
It’s the nature of the position. They take on the biggest collisions and end up in the middle of scrums with limbs anchored in turf. Barkley isn’t any more injury prone than any other RB, none of them are connected. Likeliest scenario was that he didn’t play 17+ games this year so the Giants will have to manage a likely outcome.
That was a fun game! I was okay with whatever outcome took place, I was just relieved we finally showed a pulse. Ecstatic we pulled out the win though.
Thankfully for us the Cardinals didn't seem to have any answers for the adjustments we made at halftime. Perhaps they got complacent assuming the game was over and also ran out of gas in the 4th
The Cardinals looked shell shocked when we got within 7 pts
Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
In the quarter century that I've run this site, there have been many people who have written game reviews. Sy is the best I've had, which is saying something given the work guys like Joey has done.
Show some respect.
Seriously! What a terrible comment. I'm so glad we have Sy here.
in the second half (which it’s blatantly obvious he did).
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
RE: So, let’s assume that Daboll took over the call-playing duties
in the second half (which it’s blatantly obvious he did).
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
Inexperienced offensive coordinator had a plan in mind for week 1 and week 2 but didn't know how to get out of it when it was clear it wasn't working. Easy to forget Kafka is wet behind the ears.
The first time the Giants came back from a 21 pt deficit to win a game since 1949. If you can't be excited about what the team did in the second half, DJ, Hyatt, Waller, Slayton, Saquon, the make-shift O-line, don't know what to tell you.
He rushed for 63 yards with a less than 4.0 average. Caught 30 yards of passes and for the second week, was the cause of Dimes throwing an interception on a ball that glanced off his hands. He rushed for 51 yards, caught 12 yards of passing, and was responsible for Dimes interception off his hands in game one.
Bottom line- you can’t say Saquon has been essential in either game. In fact, how do you know Breida or Brightwell wouldn’t do just as well if not better? Getting more than 63 or 51 yards isn’t that difficult. And, if you don’t cause two turnovers like Saquon did, that is another plus.
I’m not hating on Saquon….just looking at the numbers.
He rushed for 63 yards with a less than 4.0 average. Caught 30 yards of passes and for the second week, was the cause of Dimes throwing an interception on a ball that glanced off his hands. He rushed for 51 yards, caught 12 yards of passing, and was responsible for Dimes interception off his hands in game one.
Bottom line- you can’t say Saquon has been essential in either game. In fact, how do you know Breida or Brightwell wouldn’t do just as well if not better? Getting more than 63 or 51 yards isn’t that difficult. And, if you don’t cause two turnovers like Saquon did, that is another plus.
I’m not hating on Saquon….just looking at the numbers.
Thanks for the laugh. How do we know many of the QB's couldn't be better than Mahomes these past two games?
If you think Breida or Birghtwell could have socred on that TD that Barkley had in teh 4th qaurter or that 10-12 yard run he made when he spun ot the outside after the middle was stuffed in teh 4th waurter, then I have a veyr large vbrdige to sell you.
So, you just want to look at the stats without even an iota of consideration that play action would be better with SB? You want to throw away logic and pretend when analyzing player we should just look at data only?
So again - apparently this year Mahomes isn't that essential? Per below I guess Mac Jones is more essential than Mahomes using statistcial data and throwing away logic like you have just done with the Breida and Brgithwell vs SB comparison?
Jordan Love
CJ Stround
Trevor Lawrence - - Mahoems beat him today --
all are ahead of Mahomes using statstics without logic just as you are doing.
I was as pissed as anyone with SB's brick hands after interception 2 this year going off his hands (and last year his screwign up a pass vs Dallas). But that play he made to get the TD-- not many backs can do that. And to think that the Defense doesn't acount for him in a high level manner woudl be being incredibly naive.
Couple of points about the interceptions off Barkley's hands.
Throwing to Saquon involves higher inherent risk than with most RBs - not because his hands are especially bad, but because of the attention he attracts. On a tip drill, there are likely to be defenders around to capitalize. Barkley needs to put even more of a premium on securing the catch, perhaps at the cost of a half-beat in turning upfield.
Of course, it can happen to anyone: Kyren Williams had a similar miscue today; it completely changed the course of the Rams-49ers game, and perhaps of the season in the NFC West. But having it happen twice in two games suggests a trend that needs correction.
Ideally, Barkley wouldn't feature so prominently in the passing game. So far, play action and the threat of Saquon out of the backfield have been among the few things providing Jones time to throw. That's the key challenge for Thursday. The Rams seemed to find a way today, until that fluke Kyren Williams play, and I'm not sure their line is any better than ours.
Anyway, we'll get a look at "running back by committee" on Thursday. I hope it's not a case of "Be careful what you wish for." On the positive side, after rebounding from 60-0 over the first six quarters of the season, we can have some confidence that the Giants won't let a dispiriting prime-time loss (if it comes to that) deflate them.
action, but seeing how Dallas and Arizona ran the ball down our throat, I'd like to see bigger people at the LOS (like A’Shawn Robinson and Rakeem Nunez-Roches) and if that means sitting Kayvon Thibodeaux or one of our 5 DBs for a few series... that's fine with me. Really hard to win in the NFL giving up 150 yards a game on the ground.
glad they won, live to fight another day. at least they come home
1-2 at worst and play SEA at home for once with 10 days to prepare, BUT:
I'm still pissed. The first possession on both sides were a joke. 0-20 at halftime? YOU CAN'T BE SERIUOS!
Wink stinks. Sorry. They couldn't even sniff a sack against a shit team with a bad QB. Lucky for Wink AIR missed a FG or it's OT at best. They've given this "mad scientist" everything he wanted literally letting him choose a 1st round pick and he can't dial up any pressure.
Did Daboll secretly take over the play calling? I've heard and seen rumors. Suddenly the deep ball was in play and the Safeties had to drop back, the whole offense opened up.
RE: Couple of points about the interceptions off Barkley's hands.
Throwing to Saquon involves higher inherent risk than with most RBs - not because his hands are especially bad, but because of the attention he attracts. On a tip drill, there are likely to be defenders around to capitalize. Barkley needs to put even more of a premium on securing the catch, perhaps at the cost of a half-beat in turning upfield.
Of course, it can happen to anyone: Kyren Williams had a similar miscue today; it completely changed the course of the Rams-49ers game, and perhaps of the season in the NFC West. But having it happen twice in two games suggests a trend that needs correction.
Ideally, Barkley wouldn't feature so prominently in the passing game. So far, play action and the threat of Saquon out of the backfield have been among the few things providing Jones time to throw. That's the key challenge for Thursday. The Rams seemed to find a way today, until that fluke Kyren Williams play, and I'm not sure their line is any better than ours.
Anyway, we'll get a look at "running back by committee" on Thursday. I hope it's not a case of "Be careful what you wish for." On the positive side, after rebounding from 60-0 over the first six quarters of the season, we can have some confidence that the Giants won't let a dispiriting prime-time loss (if it comes to that) deflate them.
Interesting point re tips.
I'm bummed Barkley got hurt. Had he not, I'd expect he'd be focusing hard on the receiving aspect of his game moving forward because that's the kind of guy he is. But over the course of a few games I expect to see Breida perform well enough that he and Barkley become Exhibit A in why you don't break the bank for running backs.
Bonus that Breida's time to shine will be in SFO where he started out (averaging 5 YPC BTW).
Will definitely make this one of their replays of the week. They take the top three most exciting games and re-air them. And I can’t wait to watch because it didn’t air in DC so I only had the game thread. Which was crazy. I was even piling on and I couldn’t see the damn game. But BBI painted one hell of a picture. Can’t wait to see this game.
in the second half (which it’s blatantly obvious he did).
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
Where are you guys getting thid info thar BD took over the play calling?
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Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
LOL, nearly spit up my beer on this one....!!!
Lol I love Sy...seemed like our luck changed when he called Daboll McAdoo 2.0
Did he really write that? I read the reviews occasionally, but wow, that's a bit of an early tag.
He did lol. I'd recommend you give him a follow on X
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...why on the play before his injury did he go down behind the LOS for like a three yard loss.
I thought that really was not a smart play.
You're playing for clock time. They were kicking the FG the whole time, not trying to advance the ball.
Well if that's the point, why did we run hard on the next two plays? LOL
My point, it was a dumb play. You run it for positive yardage and make them use their time out. You don't go backwards.
In fact, I bet Daboll probably got word to SB from the sideline to run that ball up in there like you mean it....and then of course he got hurt on 2nd down.
And Breida's run was actually quite nice considering the Cards were waiting for it on third down.........
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Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
LOL, nearly spit up my beer on this one....!!!
Lol I love Sy...seemed like our luck changed when he called Daboll McAdoo 2.0
You have got to be shitting me. Sy said that? I’m not buying it. That’s got to be bullshit.
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like PI by the Commanders defender on the two point conversion, but Holmes wasn't called for even more obvious PI against Washington in the end zone last season.
Wtf? So your point is that since Holmes got away with one last season Washington is forever given the benefit of doubt? What the hell does Holmes have to do with the play from today? So, every interference call from now until eternity you’re going to bring up a play from last season? You’re trying too hard, bruh
No, not forever, and not even again. Just saying last year they had one against their receiver in the end zone that wasn't called, and today their defender in the same situation wasn't called. The explanation for both "non-calls" is likely that the officials are at least a little more reluctant to throw a flag in those situations. But both plays were penalties IMO.
The key is the OL...SF will let us know if OL turned the corner....
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Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
LOL, nearly spit up my beer on this one....!!!
Lol I love Sy...seemed like our luck changed when he called Daboll McAdoo 2.0
You have got to be shitting me. Sy said that? I’m not buying it. That’s got to be bullshit.
Lol wanna bet?
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Was Jones sacked in the second half? I don't think so. With two backups playing, and Glowinski back in at left guard.
Now the worry beside Barkley is Bredeson's concussion. No way he plays Thursday.
The line kind of looked better after he went out. If Thomas is back Ezedu at guard may work fine.
Glowinski missed 3 blocks in his first 4 plays....literally no hitters. He needs to stay on the bench. Hopefully Bredeson only misses 1 game and Ezeudo takes over on Thursday with Thomas returning to LT.
This game is the same reason we need to let the season play out before rushing to any dumb judgements.
Can’t wait to review the game thread tomorrow.
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It felt like the season was on the line every drive of the second half was relieved when it was over. We experienced the Daniel Jones floor game in the first half and the Daniel Jones ceiling game in the second half.
Again, Jones' "floor in the 1st half" included 6 drops - 6 drops. The INT was right through Barkley's hands. If you want to shit on Jones for the 1st half, your next sentence must include all the drops.
Didn’t take a shot that was there, missed a shot, overcooked a screen and generally seemed uneasy. I’m only going off memory from the broadcast too. He was very bad, full stop. A big a reason for our awful offense. I’ve defended him plenty and was in favor of the extension given the out. But he was awful independent of the things around him, which were also awful. We went 6 quarters without scoring a point.
Having said all that, he was a superstar in the 2nd half and put the team on his back.
Put the team on his back and we won.
Put the team on his back and we won.
+1. It was a great game for DJ.
You'll see his value if he's not on the field. Opposing defenses aren't biting on PA with Breida/Gray/Brightwell, which is going to put more stress on DJ.
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Thank God the FO didn’t puss out and give him a McAffrey contract. Unfortunate he got hurt, but he gets hurt every year which is why you don’t give him a long term contract.
You'll see his value if he's not on the field. Opposing defenses aren't biting on PA with Breida/Gray/Brightwell, which is going to put more stress on DJ.
They weren’t really biting on PA with Barkley in the lineup.
Except his rookie year, and last year, his two best seasons and looked like a top 3-4 RB.
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...why on the play before his injury did he go down behind the LOS for like a three yard loss.
I thought that really was not a smart play.
You're playing for clock time. They were kicking the FG the whole time, not trying to advance the ball.
Well if that's the point, why did we run hard on the next two plays? LOL
My point, it was a dumb play. You run it for positive yardage and make them use their time out. You don't go backwards.
My point was you're just trying to hold the ball and not run into a yardage loss. Obviously you run hard.
In the quarter century that I've run this site, there have been many people who have written game reviews. Sy is the best I've had, which is saying something given the work guys like Joey has done.
Show some respect.
Thankfully for us the Cardinals didn't seem to have any answers for the adjustments we made at halftime. Perhaps they got complacent assuming the game was over and also ran out of gas in the 4th
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Where he blows Barkley and gives back handed compliments to Jones so he can stay on brand with his draft grades.
In the quarter century that I've run this site, there have been many people who have written game reviews. Sy is the best I've had, which is saying something given the work guys like Joey has done.
Show some respect.
Seriously! What a terrible comment. I'm so glad we have Sy here.
Except his rookie year, and last year, his two best seasons and looked like a top 3-4 RB.
He was hurt last year too.
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“Barkley gets hurt every year.”
Except his rookie year, and last year, his two best seasons and looked like a top 3-4 RB.
He was hurt last year too.
Yeah. Hurt his shoulder in the Packers game and then proceeded to play every game. Did he miss a start or a game? No. He was fine.
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“Barkley gets hurt every year.”
Except his rookie year, and last year, his two best seasons and looked like a top 3-4 RB.
He was hurt last year too.
Yeah. Hurt his shoulder in the Packers game and then proceeded to play every game. Did he miss a start or a game? No. He was fine.
His performance wasn’t. It declined after the injury.
Regardless, I think the FO is smart enough to realize this which is why he’s on a one year deal right now.
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“Barkley gets hurt every year.”
Except his rookie year, and last year, his two best seasons and looked like a top 3-4 RB.
He was hurt last year too.
+1
C’mon Will
You’re better than this
(Especially when sober)
Oh, well, carry on
Dobbs in particular on the sidelines looked stunned
He averaged 100 rushing yards per game, in the 4 games following the injury. Team then went into a bit of a spin.
He averaged 5.7 yards a carry the last 5 games of the year including playoffs.
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
Inexperienced offensive coordinator had a plan in mind for week 1 and week 2 but didn't know how to get out of it when it was clear it wasn't working. Easy to forget Kafka is wet behind the ears.
#FakeNews
What does this even mean?
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...why on the play before his injury did he go down behind the LOS for like a three yard loss.
I thought that really was not a smart play.
You're playing for clock time. They were kicking the FG the whole time, not trying to advance the ball.
You should also be trying to advance the ball. The fg wasn't automatic.
Bottom line- you can’t say Saquon has been essential in either game. In fact, how do you know Breida or Brightwell wouldn’t do just as well if not better? Getting more than 63 or 51 yards isn’t that difficult. And, if you don’t cause two turnovers like Saquon did, that is another plus.
I’m not hating on Saquon….just looking at the numbers.
Bottom line- you can’t say Saquon has been essential in either game. In fact, how do you know Breida or Brightwell wouldn’t do just as well if not better? Getting more than 63 or 51 yards isn’t that difficult. And, if you don’t cause two turnovers like Saquon did, that is another plus.
I’m not hating on Saquon….just looking at the numbers.
Thanks for the laugh. How do we know many of the QB's couldn't be better than Mahomes these past two games?
If you think Breida or Birghtwell could have socred on that TD that Barkley had in teh 4th qaurter or that 10-12 yard run he made when he spun ot the outside after the middle was stuffed in teh 4th waurter, then I have a veyr large vbrdige to sell you.
So, you just want to look at the stats without even an iota of consideration that play action would be better with SB? You want to throw away logic and pretend when analyzing player we should just look at data only?
So again - apparently this year Mahomes isn't that essential? Per below I guess Mac Jones is more essential than Mahomes using statistcial data and throwing away logic like you have just done with the Breida and Brgithwell vs SB comparison?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
Jordan Love
CJ Stround
Trevor Lawrence - - Mahoems beat him today --
all are ahead of Mahomes using statstics without logic just as you are doing.
I was as pissed as anyone with SB's brick hands after interception 2 this year going off his hands (and last year his screwign up a pass vs Dallas). But that play he made to get the TD-- not many backs can do that. And to think that the Defense doesn't acount for him in a high level manner woudl be being incredibly naive.
Of course, it can happen to anyone: Kyren Williams had a similar miscue today; it completely changed the course of the Rams-49ers game, and perhaps of the season in the NFC West. But having it happen twice in two games suggests a trend that needs correction.
Ideally, Barkley wouldn't feature so prominently in the passing game. So far, play action and the threat of Saquon out of the backfield have been among the few things providing Jones time to throw. That's the key challenge for Thursday. The Rams seemed to find a way today, until that fluke Kyren Williams play, and I'm not sure their line is any better than ours.
Anyway, we'll get a look at "running back by committee" on Thursday. I hope it's not a case of "Be careful what you wish for." On the positive side, after rebounding from 60-0 over the first six quarters of the season, we can have some confidence that the Giants won't let a dispiriting prime-time loss (if it comes to that) deflate them.
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...why on the play before his injury did he go down behind the LOS for like a three yard loss.
I thought that really was not a smart play.
You're playing for clock time. They were kicking the FG the whole time, not trying to advance the ball.
You should also be trying to advance the ball. The fg wasn't automatic.
In a dome with a kicker who has 50+ yard range, I'm sure the confidence level was high.
action, but seeing how Dallas and Arizona ran the ball down our throat, I'd like to see bigger people at the LOS (like A’Shawn Robinson and Rakeem Nunez-Roches) and if that means sitting Kayvon Thibodeaux or one of our 5 DBs for a few series... that's fine with me. Really hard to win in the NFL giving up 150 yards a game on the ground.
I'm still pissed. The first possession on both sides were a joke. 0-20 at halftime? YOU CAN'T BE SERIUOS!
Wink stinks. Sorry. They couldn't even sniff a sack against a shit team with a bad QB. Lucky for Wink AIR missed a FG or it's OT at best. They've given this "mad scientist" everything he wanted literally letting him choose a 1st round pick and he can't dial up any pressure.
Did Daboll secretly take over the play calling? I've heard and seen rumors. Suddenly the deep ball was in play and the Safeties had to drop back, the whole offense opened up.
Of course, it can happen to anyone: Kyren Williams had a similar miscue today; it completely changed the course of the Rams-49ers game, and perhaps of the season in the NFC West. But having it happen twice in two games suggests a trend that needs correction.
Ideally, Barkley wouldn't feature so prominently in the passing game. So far, play action and the threat of Saquon out of the backfield have been among the few things providing Jones time to throw. That's the key challenge for Thursday. The Rams seemed to find a way today, until that fluke Kyren Williams play, and I'm not sure their line is any better than ours.
Anyway, we'll get a look at "running back by committee" on Thursday. I hope it's not a case of "Be careful what you wish for." On the positive side, after rebounding from 60-0 over the first six quarters of the season, we can have some confidence that the Giants won't let a dispiriting prime-time loss (if it comes to that) deflate them.
Interesting point re tips.
I'm bummed Barkley got hurt. Had he not, I'd expect he'd be focusing hard on the receiving aspect of his game moving forward because that's the kind of guy he is. But over the course of a few games I expect to see Breida perform well enough that he and Barkley become Exhibit A in why you don't break the bank for running backs.
Bonus that Breida's time to shine will be in SFO where he started out (averaging 5 YPC BTW).
The QB took control.
Why are Daboll and Kafka not on the same page with running the offense? The offensive strategy in the second half of this game (when Daboll took over the play calling) was vastly different than the previous 6 quarters. I’m perplexed by this.
Where are you guys getting thid info thar BD took over the play calling?