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Narrow victory, still a bad sign?

joeinpa : 9/18/2023 7:08 am
I am a big believer of momentum in sports and the confidence that is related to it.

I didn’t see the destruction of the Dallas loss coming, but I was pretty confident there would be a carry over, I even wrote here I would be pleasantly surprised with a win.

A team can look pretty listless, even lazy, when confidence is gone

One play to begin the second half, leading to the first score of the season, changed the momentum and confidence level.

The result, a 31-8 shellacking and the domination so many wanted to see.

I believe this game will translate to a very good effort Thursday.

Side note, I look at game threads after the game is over. I take them for what they are, emotional overreactions, most of the time

So it was no surprised how quickly some turned on Jones, even though he earned a large contract last season.

There is also no doubt, for some, this will be the norm when evaluating Daniel. His critics will continue to reference any poor play as the indicator for what he is.

But my take from yesterday: It is something special to endure a 60-0 six quarter start to the season, and come out and put the team on your back, as he did, for the next two

As a consistent supporter of his, yesterday was just another reason why I m a fan and believer
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2023 7:13 am : link
I was VERY down on Jones and the team at large in the first half and halftime, but hats off to them rallying like they did.
They utterly dominated the second half  
UberAlias : 9/18/2023 7:16 am : link
I think winning in this way has to have built some momentum. Where the hell was that in the first half? Who knows
Two big issues  
mdthedream : 9/18/2023 7:25 am : link
was the defense and the Oline and that is it. Jones is not the issue or the skilled position players. You win in the trenches.
Hmm, no I don't think so  
jvm52106 : 9/18/2023 7:26 am : link
For a number of reasons. They basically put on an offensive show in the second half. They could have hung 35 on AZ in the 2nd half alone.

Emotionally this team was flat to start- that Dallas beat down was worse mentally than it may have appeared.

Letting Jones be the guy was the difference. Jones showed fire and emotion like never before and the whole team changed attitude in the second half. AZ didn't bumble, fumble and stumble the game away, the Giants just took it over offensively and then a bit more defensively later on..
Tremendous victory  
BillT : 9/18/2023 7:27 am : link
Not just for the W but for the team. To play like they did for 6 quarters and then pull out one of the greatest comebacks in franchise history is a monumental win. It has to positively effect every aspect of the team. It wasn’t a narrow victory at all.
Team just needed from a mental standpoint  
nygiants16 : 9/18/2023 7:31 am : link
I think you also saw this team has no quit which some were saying this team didnt have last week..

This team also showed how dominant this offense cam be, they came out and railroaded the Cardinals, if Saquon doesnt tip that pass maybe they win by more because they were driving on that drive..

Defense showed something in the 2nd half by getting stop after stop..

You are going to hear on the radio well they only won by 3 against the Cardinals, dont listen to it
I’m realizing that  
exiled : 9/18/2023 7:33 am : link
no matter who’s at QB, he’s a lightening rod. He’s the face of the team and gets all the credit and all the blame. And it’s not just Giants. Those hot takes in the game thread are the worst.
What bothered me most is the way the Cardinals were able to run on  
Ira : 9/18/2023 7:35 am : link
the Giants d. I thought the free agent signings were supposed to fix that.
RE: I’m realizing that  
Giantimistic : 9/18/2023 7:40 am : link
In comment 16211000 exiled said:
no matter who’s at QB, he’s a lightening rod. He’s the face of the team and gets all the credit and all the blame. And it’s not just Giants. Those hot takes in the game thread are the worst.

NY is one of the hardest which is why you are not just drafting a QB but a NY QB.
RE: What bothered me most is the way the Cardinals were able to run on  
Spider56 : 9/18/2023 8:00 am : link
In comment 16211003 Ira said:
the Giants d. I thought the free agent signings were supposed to fix that.

Bingo … Pinnock and McKinney had 20 of the teams’ 58 total tackles. Bobby O started slow but picked it up in the 2H. But why was Davidson out there? He is clearly not ready to play and was getting man handled. There were other no shows up front too. Wink has a lot of work to do.
I think the first half was definitely a carryover from the Dallas game  
Bramton1 : 9/18/2023 8:40 am : link
Week 1 gave the team and the players a lot of doubt, and it was clearly still clinging to them in the first half yesterday.

Then Jones completed that pass to Hyatt. Two plays later, touchdown. The offense felt energized, got some confidence.

Unfortunately, that didn't carry overt to the defense...yet. They still were in a funk, so they let the Cards drive downfield and score again.

The next Giants' drive was a key one. The defense's inability to respond could have sucked the life out of the offense. But it didn't. Result: Barkley touchdown. Offense is feeling good. Now it's the Cards' defense losing composure.

The next defensive series was key. Cards were moving the ball, defense could have collapsed again. But they get to a third and long, and finally they hold and force a punt.

Offense scores again. Defense finally had confidence, and they use it to force a three and out. And everything turns. Offense ties the game, defense forced another three and out, offense gets the game winner. Momentum.

Critics will say they barely beat a bad Cardinals team. I hope it's more a tale of two games: Week 1a and 2. Week 1/1a was crap, but they dominated Week 2.

We'll have a better idea if that's true on Thursday.
ryanmkeane : 9/18/2023 8:59 am : link
I'd say the single best thing to come out of this game is the fact that McKethan is absolutely better than Glowinski.
I said a close sloppy W would be almost as bad as a Loss  
The_Boss : 9/18/2023 9:06 am : link
This is something totally different. This was a total gut check where the team got off the canvas after getting knocked down. Hopefully it’s a character builder as much as a confidence builder. I am hoping they don’t ruin the good vibes and get totally embarrassed in 3 days. Show some fight, even in a likely loss. Don’t make it appear you don’t belong on the field with them.
Sean : 9/18/2023 9:19 am : link
Game threads are highly emotional and watching the game in real time. If they weren't, BBI wouldn't exist.

The offense did not score a point for 6 quarters. The criticism was warranted. With that said, Jones was fantastic in the 2nd half.

I don't know what people expected at halftime yesterday being outscored 60-0. I've never been a fan of cherry picking game threads after the fact.
turned on Jones?  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/18/2023 9:20 am : link
they turned on everyone associated with the Giants

Costy16 : 9/18/2023 9:22 am : link
Made adjustments at the half. He didn't indicate in the postgame that he took over playcall duties, but I think he was definitely conferring with Kafka about playcalls. He had the sheet in his hand in the second half. The offense was like night and day half one to half two.

The defense is really a problem. They got abused by Zach Ertz all first half. With Kittle waiting on Thursday it's not a good feeling. Conner ran through them. There seems to be very little push from the line, and blitzes aren't getting home when they are called.
Game threads will always skew negative  
Sean : 9/18/2023 9:23 am : link
Go reread the game thread against the Browns in 2008. 4-0 coming off a Super Bowl title.
There are a lot of serious concerns right now  
UberAlias : 9/18/2023 9:33 am : link
This has to rank up there among the 6 worst quarters of football we've ever seen. But the good news? We saw exactly what we expected and wanted to see in the final two. They're coming out of it with far more momentum and confidence than would have been the case had this been your typical ugly 3 point squeaker against a bad team. Next step --don't get embarrassed on Thursday, compete and get some guys healthy with the few extra days between games.
I think your premise is slightly at odds with your first sentence  
regulator : 9/18/2023 9:48 am : link
but the rest of your thoughts I fully agree with.

Definitely a tale of two halves, but with a 31-7 2nd half, I would say the momentum is definitely on our side heading into the short turn to SF...
Like to think they righted the Ship.  
Rolyrock : 9/18/2023 10:06 am : link
And that the assessment of not playing enough during pre season was the culprit. Mybe some individuals will start to break out. Right Thibs.
RE: Two big issues  
BillKo : 9/18/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16210990 mdthedream said:
was the defense and the Oline and that is it. Jones is not the issue or the skilled position players. You win in the trenches.

Absolutely. And given that and the schedule we have, it's going to be extremely hard to repeat our record from last year IMO.

No telling how this think jells or if even last night is the awakening we needed. Heck, maybe even the injuries on the OL is going to give us the right combo going forward.

Unfortunately I think we are STLL a year away.
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