to me, it was clear that Jalin had to slow down in order to make the catch (D.J. did not hit him in stride).
Because Jalin had to slow down, I think that took the TD away as the CB was able to catch up.
Is my view wrong on this? Does D.J. have the arm strength to hit the very deep throws? I know he is accurate deep by his play last year, but Jalin is a different type of deep than we have had before.
I really hope to see more of these throws and completions, whether they result in TD's or not.
DJ needs to learn to throw it a bit earlier
The issue is when things are way underthrown to the point where the CB has great positioning, like the sideline throw to Slayton in the 1st half.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
(A) it’s not as though Daniel Jones severely under-threw the pass
(B) the pass was dead on target
Daniel Jones is the LEAST of the Giants worries right now. Their O-line is in disarray, their secondary looks a little helter-skelter with so many new faces and their run defense is non-existent. Oh, and did I forget to mention that last year’s #5 draft pick is playing worse than their #7?
Daniel Jones is the answer on a team that has so many other questions that still need to be answered.
Just simply amazing.
Just simply amazing.
Yep, it will never stop.
Hyatt definitely had to slow down. Jones has the arm. The more they play together the crisper those deep balls will get.
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Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
Jones had a great 2nd half, but let’s face it, he does not have a strong arm.
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It never ends.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
There were fans that made up their mind of him the moment he was drafted. The good he does is now "well that's what he should be doing. He's paid $40 million." Anything bad he does is amplified because the critic does it better in his mother's basement playing Madden
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It never ends.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
I love DJ, I believe he is a top 10 QE. My post was to disect how that play could be better as I see this play as a key play going forward to help keep defenses honest.
I have been in DJ’s corner for years now
Hyatt definitely had to slow down. Jones has the arm. The more they play together the crisper those deep balls will get.
Its exactly this. He waited until Jaylin was open, he needs to trust Jaylin will get there and release earlier. He had a clean pocket on that play as well.
Main issue was timing but that needs to be a TD moving forward.
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I don't think it's a matter of strength, but more a matter of timing.
Hyatt definitely had to slow down. Jones has the arm. The more they play together the crisper those deep balls will get.
Its exactly this. He waited until Jaylin was open, he needs to trust Jaylin will get there and release earlier. He had a clean pocket on that play as well.
Main issue was timing but that needs to be a TD moving forward.
More reps will help in that regard as Jones does not have a lot of time with Hyatt other than in controlled practices where the depth chart ahead of Hyatt (Slayton, Campbell, etc.) get most of the reps. As Jones gains experience knowing how much space Hyatt needs in order to be open when the ball arrives the ball will arrive sooner.
Jones had a great 2nd half, but let’s face it, he does not have a strong arm.
Lol, the kid has a canon
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I don't think it's a matter of strength, but more a matter of timing.
Hyatt definitely had to slow down. Jones has the arm. The more they play together the crisper those deep balls will get.
Its exactly this. He waited until Jaylin was open, he needs to trust Jaylin will get there and release earlier. He had a clean pocket on that play as well.
Main issue was timing but that needs to be a TD moving forward.
I have lots of concerns about the team, but Jones and Hyatt getting their timing down isn't one. They've had 40 total game snaps together, and timing was busted on at least half from the get-go.
That one catch not only turned the game around but added a whole new element for the bad guys DC to plan for (along with Slay's new found sticky hands).
Fortunately, we scored shortly thereafter.
The issue is when things are way underthrown to the point where the CB has great positioning, like the sideline throw to Slayton in the 1st half.
Under thrown deep balls often lead to pass interference calls as well
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The length of time they are in the air allows defenders to catch up. Plus the speed guys still have to slow down.
Jones had a great 2nd half, but let’s face it, he does not have a strong arm.
Lol, the kid has a canon
I like Jones. He’s a good QB. He doesn’t have a “canon” (I think you meant “cannon” lol, which he also doesn’t have).
His arm is strong enough, but please, let’s be real here. That throw was not on a freakin rope, like a previous poster said.
I just saw it again on GMF, it was throw almost perfectly
Jones had a great 2nd half, but let’s face it, he does not have a strong arm.
He does put too much air under the long ball at times ... however he has a strong arm the TD to Hodgins was accurate and with high velocity to slice thru the zone
Of course it
I'd bench Campbell and go with Hyatt, Slayton, and Hodgins. Have Campbell come is as the 4th, or if Slayton gets the dropsies.
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It never ends.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
I love DJ, I believe he is a top 10 QE. My post was to disect how that play could be better as I see this play as a key play going forward to help keep defenses honest.
I have been in DJ’s corner for years now
My post was directed towards a general attitude that has prevailed, from some, for the entire Jones s era, it towards you personally.
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It never ends.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
I love DJ, I believe he is a top 10 QE. My post was to disect how that play could be better as I see this play as a key play going forward to help keep defenses honest.
I have been in DJ’s corner for years now
My post was directed towards a general attitude that has prevailed, from some, for the entire Jones s era, it towards you personally.
It = not.
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Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
then what the fuck is your point dude. DJ has excellent arm strength.
fucking nit picking because you have nothing better to do on a Monday.
I think Jones is still learning / adjusting to Hyatt’s speed.
Jones usually throws a great and accurate deep ball. Yesterday was an off day. He left all his deep throws short. You mention Slayton. That one early deep bomb to Slayton would have been a completion and possibly a TD if Jones did not leave it short, forcing Slayton to slow down and the DB to catch up to him.
I think Jones is still learning / adjusting to Hyatt’s speed.
I believe Eric on LI said only Tyreek Hill is faster. So that tells you all you need to know.
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It never ends.
Joe, don't mistake my post as a complaint post, it is not meant to be that.
1st and 10. Maybe I m totally wrong about this, but it seems Jones is evaluated unlike any other quarterback. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times he answers the questions: Can he elevate those around him, can he perform during winning time, in the clutch. Is he accurate, can he process etc. etc. the second he makes a mistake, a pass off line, an interception, a fumble, all the good is erased, for some, and all the old refrains return.
I watch quarterbacks from all around me he league, if held to the standard Daniel is, non would last the test
You re post is an example. A pass of 40 plus yards, it perfect and you quest is arm strength
I think he is a very good quarterback with a chance to be great.
I love DJ, I believe he is a top 10 QE. My post was to disect how that play could be better as I see this play as a key play going forward to help keep defenses honest.
I have been in DJ’s corner for years now
My post was directed towards a general attitude that has prevailed, from some, for the entire Jones s era, it towards you personally.
Understood
(A) it’s not as though Daniel Jones severely under-threw the pass
(B) the pass was dead on target
Daniel Jones is the LEAST of the Giants worries right now. Their O-line is in disarray, their secondary looks a little helter-skelter with so many new faces and their run defense is non-existent. Oh, and did I forget to mention that last year’s #5 draft pick is playing worse than their #7?
Daniel Jones is the answer on a team that has so many other questions that still need to be answered.
I think that pass was VERY underthrown. And it's impossible to simultaneously be underthrown and dead on target.
That said, it was a completion, so the criticism shouldn't be too harsh. Honestly, I just think DJ needs to adjust to Hyatt's speed. It's impossible to overthrow Hyatt. For some of our other WRs, that throw would have been right in stride. For Hyatt (and we saw it again later on with Slayton), their speed gets negated a bit when they have to slow down or come back to the ball on a deep route.
I'm confident that DJ will get that timing down. It just takes reps.