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Raanan with some info on the OL performance

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2023 10:22 am
Not sure of the source of this info in terms of accuracy:

Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Bounce-back performance from the #Giants offensive line. Allowed only seven pressures.

The Pass Block Win Rates:
LT Josh Ezeudu 89.7% (21st)
LG Mark Glowinski 93.8% (18th)
C JM Schmitz 100% (T-1)
RG Marcus McKethan 89.7% (27th)
RT Evan Neal 93.1% (15th)

Massive improvement from the right side of the line. McKethan held up in his first real game action of career. Neal played well, sans the late penalties.

Glowinski also bounced back despite being benched and then coming in when Ben Bredeson suffered a concussion.
I’m not an expert but an OL  
Chris684 : 9/18/2023 10:24 am : link
of AT-Ezeudu-JMS-MM-Neal is enticing.

If one of the tackles goes down Ezeudu can still be the swing with Bredeson or Glow coming in at guard.
7 pressures on i think 42 drop backs would = 17%  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 10:28 am : link
which is a lot better than it looked to me.
Well...  
Johnny5 : 9/18/2023 10:30 am : link
I am not happy with Evan Neal. At all. They gave him help all game long, and when they didn't, he lost the battle as much as he won. At least that's how it looked to me. He was outplayed by the a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder from the same draft, one who is coming off of an ACL tear.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2023 10:30 am : link
They looked like the Hogs compared to Week 1.
Very encouraging thread  
5BowlsSoon : 9/18/2023 10:31 am : link
Just curious….Is the Arizona front 7 considered good, mediocre or poor?
Jones running and pocket movement  
ZogZerg : 9/18/2023 10:32 am : link
Helped those numbers.
RE: Very encouraging thread  
ryanmkeane : 9/18/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16211310 5BowlsSoon said:
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Just curious….Is the Arizona front 7 considered good, mediocre or poor?

They had 6 sacks against Washington...so not bad. I think they were just completely gassed in the second half.
Definitely a bounce back  
HBart : 9/18/2023 10:33 am : link
A much easier test of course, but a HUGE step in the right direction.

That said, I don't recall any "he has all freaking day" moments for Jones. As opposed to Dobbs who could could have picnic'd back there. I wonder what the Cards OL win stats were.
RE: I’m not an expert but an OL  
KDavies : 9/18/2023 10:33 am : link
In comment 16211294 Chris684 said:
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of AT-Ezeudu-JMS-MM-Neal is enticing.

If one of the tackles goes down Ezeudu can still be the swing with Bredeson or Glow coming in at guard.


That is what I was thinking. Bredson/Glow as backups. Let the best men win.

If Neal has far more struggles than games like this the rest of the year, I'd be interested in trying AT-Neal-JMS-MM-Ezeudu in the offseason. But hopefully this is a sign of things to come for Neal, though the proof will be against some of the tougher DLs
Arizona is pretty poor  
Larry from WV : 9/18/2023 10:34 am : link
There are a few decent players but nothing like what we will typically see.
I'm a little encouraged  
Andy in Boston : 9/18/2023 10:36 am : link
I'm not one to say "It was only the Cardinals."

They played well on the road in the NFL. I'll take it.

When is the last time we've had a mid to late round olineman play well in a game? McKethan might be first in a long time.
JMS  
Spider43 : 9/18/2023 10:36 am : link
Money.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/18/2023 10:44 am : link
Would be nice of McKethan turns out to be what we thought Lemeiux was going to be.
RE: Definitely a bounce back  
The Dude : 9/18/2023 10:45 am : link
In comment 16211319 HBart said:
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A much easier test of course, but a HUGE step in the right direction.

That said, I don't recall any "he has all freaking day" moments for Jones. As opposed to Dobbs who could could have picnic'd back there. I wonder what the Cards OL win stats were.


You're right and point is well taken about the giants rush.

However, as long as the Oline is giving DJ ample time and not literally ruining the gameplan (like vs dallas), DJ is good enough to make plays. "All freaking day" type blocking is great...but is the exception..not the rule. Unless your playing against the Giants D apparently.
It's commanders  
Now Mike in MD : 9/18/2023 10:45 am : link
But they did have 6 sacks last week
RE: Well...  
BigBlueShock : 9/18/2023 10:47 am : link
In comment 16211306 Johnny5 said:
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I am not happy with Evan Neal. At all. They gave him help all game long, and when they didn't, he lost the battle as much as he won. At least that's how it looked to me. He was outplayed by the a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder from the same draft, one who is coming off of an ACL tear.

Help “all game long”? Who was helping him all game long? Bellinger only played 28 snaps. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I don’t remember him getting nearly as much help as you’re suggesting. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows. Haven’t rewatched it but that still seems like a major stretch
RE: I'm a little encouraged  
Greg from LI : 9/18/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16211328 Andy in Boston said:
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When is the last time we've had a mid to late round olineman play well in a game? McKethan might be first in a long time.


Nick Gates was undrafted
RE: RE: Well...  
Johnny5 : 9/18/2023 10:51 am : link
In comment 16211356 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16211306 Johnny5 said:


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I am not happy with Evan Neal. At all. They gave him help all game long, and when they didn't, he lost the battle as much as he won. At least that's how it looked to me. He was outplayed by the a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder from the same draft, one who is coming off of an ACL tear.


Help “all game long”? Who was helping him all game long? Bellinger only played 28 snaps. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I don’t remember him getting nearly as much help as you’re suggesting. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows. Haven’t rewatched it but that still seems like a major stretch

Yeah I should have prefaced with "From what I saw", I clearly didn't watch every play. But I saw Bellinger helping him on more than a few plays. I am very down on Neal. I was expecting better play this year, and he does not look any better to my eyes. And he is a game wrecker for us. SF is going to eat him alive.
RE: RE: I'm a little encouraged  
Andy in Boston : 9/18/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16211361 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16211328 Andy in Boston said:


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When is the last time we've had a mid to late round olineman play well in a game? McKethan might be first in a long time.



Nick Gates was undrafted


but someone that was actually drafted....someone that they actually targeted and drafted. I know the target UDFA's, but the actual draft is more important.
RE: 7 pressures on i think 42 drop backs would = 17%  
Ivan15 : 9/18/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16211301 Eric on Li said:
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which is a lot better than it looked to me.
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Agreed. If there were only 7 pressures, planned QB runs aside, why is Jones running for his life so often?
Schmitz  
HarryCarson53 : 9/18/2023 11:07 am : link
Tied for 1st? Holy cow. Having Bart Oates flashbacks….
RE: RE: Very encouraging thread  
gary_from_chester : 9/18/2023 11:11 am : link
In comment 16211316 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16211310 5BowlsSoon said:


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Just curious….Is the Arizona front 7 considered good, mediocre or poor?


They had 6 sacks against Washington...so not bad. I think they were just completely gassed in the second half.


They were completely gassed? You mean after the first half beatdown we gave them? I think the answer is more that we just started to play up to our potential on offense.
Neal is 6'7" and 350+  
bc4life : 9/18/2023 11:38 am : link
Is someone with those dimensions physically suited to perform at OT in the NFL?
Ezeudu seems like a tackle to me  
Optimus-NY : 9/18/2023 11:39 am : link
Good to see him get some burn and perform yesterday.
RE: Ezeudu seems like a tackle to me  
Johnny5 : 9/18/2023 11:40 am : link
In comment 16211477 Optimus-NY said:
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Good to see him get some burn and perform yesterday.

I agree, he looks way more natural to me at Tackle
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/18/2023 11:54 am : link
Are the parentheses the rank at position? Is Neal's 15th relative to all linemen, all tackles, or all right tackles?
As a parent of two Duke grads....  
Punklicker : 9/18/2023 11:56 am : link
...it pains me to say the two North Carolina boys are ballers. Could we end up with them starting together on the right side?
RE: I’m not an expert but an OL  
Rory : 9/18/2023 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16211294 Chris684 said:
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of AT-Ezeudu-JMS-MM-Neal is enticing.

If one of the tackles goes down Ezeudu can still be the swing with Bredeson or Glow coming in at guard.


wait, Ezeudu played well at LT yesterday but your dream lineup is putting him at LG.

This isn't a video game dude, just because he played well at LT doesnt mean it translates to LG.
RE: Neal is 6'7  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/18/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16211475 bc4life said:
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Is someone with those dimensions physically suited to perform at OT in the NFL?


I dont believe Neal is pushing 350. All you have to do is look at him and see he's really lean for an Offensive tackle. There is no belly or gut on him.
Can I say  
Daniel in MI : 9/18/2023 12:18 pm : link
The Holding call on Neal was, to my eye, BS. He had him by the jersey around the pads by the shoulders. They ALL do that. The difference was he got him off balance and finished him off. It seemed he got called for finishing him.
RE: Can I say  
HBart : 9/18/2023 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16211575 Daniel in MI said:
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The Holding call on Neal was, to my eye, BS. He had him by the jersey around the pads by the shoulders. They ALL do that. The difference was he got him off balance and finished him off. It seemed he got called for finishing him.

Agreed 100%. Textbook. OK as long as inside the frame which it was.
We have nice depth and they are rounding into shape with each snap  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/18/2023 12:27 pm : link
with basically no preseason together. The improvement should continue. I rewatched the game and I was impressed with Mckethan. The Cards rotated some Blitzes away from him after they tried a few in the first half. A sign he held his own there.
JMS was a battering Ram yesterday. Looks like a 5 year pro already  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/18/2023 12:29 pm : link
The Line as a result will only get better going forward with reps.
Masive improvement?  
giantstock : 9/18/2023 12:33 pm : link
Amazing how there can be massive improvement when you play a bottom-tier football team vs an elite upper-tier team. LOL.
RE: Very encouraging thread  
JohnnyFlowers : 9/18/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16211310 5BowlsSoon said:
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Just curious….Is the Arizona front 7 considered good, mediocre or poor?


One of the worst in the league
TTH  
bc4life : 9/18/2023 2:24 pm : link
He's thick and he's stretching that 350 over a 6'7" frame.

My comment was meant to imply that reacting to the speed rushers on the edge at that size.... that's a big ask
RE: Very encouraging thread  
bw in dc : 9/18/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16211310 5BowlsSoon said:
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Just curious….Is the Arizona front 7 considered good, mediocre or poor?


Not very good on paper. I think we were also fortunate yesterday that Baker was out yesterday. He's a very good safety with a lot of experience. And the leader of that D.

Arizona's D was solid against WFT on opening day and stymied us for the first half yesterday. So, they were doing something right.

And whether they were gassed or not yesterday, our patchwork OL still had to execute. Which is commendable.
RE: Well...  
eli4life : 9/18/2023 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16211306 Johnny5 said:
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I am not happy with Evan Neal. At all. They gave him help all game long, and when they didn't, he lost the battle as much as he won. At least that's how it looked to me. He was outplayed by the a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder from the same draft, one who is coming off of an ACL tear.


Good thing your opinion don’t mean jack shit
RE: 7 pressures on i think 42 drop backs would = 17%  
ElitoCanton : 9/18/2023 3:04 pm : link
In the first half, Jones created his own pressure by scrambling before actual pressure occurred. I think he was still seeing ghosts from last week.

In comment 16211301 Eric on Li said:
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which is a lot better than it looked to me.
RE: RE: 7 pressures on i think 42 drop backs would = 17%  
ElitoCanton : 9/18/2023 3:05 pm : link
He was seeing phantom pressure. He created pressure where none existed.

In comment 16211383 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 16211301 Eric on Li said:


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which is a lot better than it looked to me.

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Agreed. If there were only 7 pressures, planned QB runs aside, why is Jones running for his life so often?
RE: RE: Well...  
Johnny5 : 9/18/2023 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16211973 eli4life said:
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In comment 16211306 Johnny5 said:


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I am not happy with Evan Neal. At all. They gave him help all game long, and when they didn't, he lost the battle as much as he won. At least that's how it looked to me. He was outplayed by the a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder from the same draft, one who is coming off of an ACL tear.



Good thing your opinion don’t mean jack shit

Well, it doesn't mean any less than yours.... lol
RE: Schmitz  
mfsd : 9/18/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16211405 HarryCarson53 said:
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Tied for 1st? Holy cow. Having Bart Oates flashbacks….


Yup, solid bounce back after a bumpy week one. Would be huge if we’ve hit on that pick
A few running plays Neal  
JerrysKids : 9/18/2023 5:39 pm : link
Looked really powerful and solid, I think he can be a good guard.
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