Was Barkleys injury on a tackle that should be banned?

Forms of a tackle you can take out of the game before it becomes flag football

In comment 16211364 Breeze_94 said:

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Forms of a tackle you can take out of the game before it becomes flag football

Right?

But when you look at the hip drop it’s a unique case- any time a player is not injured it’s basically because of luck. The nature of the tackle is such that it almost inherently causes an ankle injury every time.

You see a lot of injuries within as the tackler sweeps the legs should be banned

then swinging your body onto the legs.
More obvious when done in the open field, DB's must love it.

I say ban it.

which shows the technique.
Hip-Drop Technique - ( New Window )

Horse collar rule, but in a more melee situation like the line of scrimmage I don’t know how they can assess this.

In comment 16211364 Breeze_94 said:

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Forms of a tackle you can take out of the game before it becomes flag football

+1. Enoughs enough at this point. It sucks as a viewer that on 3rd down and we send guys you hope we wrap up the qb without actually tackling him to avoid a 15 yarder.

to defenders too: McKinney got a 15-yard flag for Roughing the QB early in the game, then looks utterly confused as Dobbs runs him over on the way to the end zone later in the game. They don't know what to do. These guys are asked to make split second decisions on very athletic QBs. It's not fair.

In comment 16211494 CT Charlie said:

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which shows the technique. Hip-Drop Technique - ( New Window )

that video is super clear, thank you.

In comment 16211570 mittenedman said:

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to defenders too: McKinney got a 15-yard flag for Roughing the QB early in the game, then looks utterly confused as Dobbs runs him over on the way to the end zone later in the game. They don't know what to do. These guys are asked to make split second decisions on very athletic QBs. It's not fair.

The whole sliding qb and hands to the face qb are kind of BS bc there’s little chance of injury with that contact. McKinney barely touched Dobbs and Dobbs arguably slid into McKinney. The arm swatting the qb in the head is also minimal when the defender goes for the ball and misses.

The hip drop tackle is different. It’s the same motion happening to the ball carrier as the horse-collar. I agree it should be banned.

Linked article describes where NFL is at on this, as of the May owners' meeting.

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It’s not up for a vote now…but stay tuned. Troy Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president for football operations, said during the conference that the tackling technique became more prevalent last season, to the point that it resulted in an injury rate that he said is “20 times higher” than produced by other tackling forms. The poster image of the technique comes from the NFC divisional playoff game in San Francisco, when Dallas Cowboys running back Tony Pollard was knocked out of the game with a broken leg and high ankle sprain that came on a hip-drop tackle

As mentioned in the article, the NFLPA is useless on this issue. Richard Sherman is the last person on the planet who should be speaking on player safety.

If and when NFL adopts a rule, NCAA will follow suit.


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In comment 16211570 mittenedman said:

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to defenders too: McKinney got a 15-yard flag for Roughing the QB early in the game, then looks utterly confused as Dobbs runs him over on the way to the end zone later in the game. They don't know what to do. These guys are asked to make split second decisions on very athletic QBs. It's not fair.

I dunno, there are lots of things that have become rarer since they were made against the rules. Crackback blocks, chop blocks, clipping, bump-and-run coverage, spearing, horsecollar tackles. Would banning hip-drop tackles eliminate them entirely? Almost certainly not. Would it reduce them? Almost certainly. I don't think it's in the category of the "illegal block in the back" which happens all the time, or even offensive holding. It's a relatively unusual play.

And that's not such a bad strategy in that situation, because, if you just tackle the guy, it's first and goal at the one and they probably score anyway.

If you don't get the strip, you can look bad, and that's what happened. But that wasn't a situation where McKinney was afraid to make a hit. He goes for the ball a lot.

What's the penalty? 10 yards and automatic first down?

I think the only thing that would change with a ban on those types of tackles is the length of Gano's GWFG. The rest plays out exactly the same, IMO. I really don't think these tackles are intentional or malicious (maybe I'm just being naive), and it's just a defender trying to desperately get the ballcarrier down when he's already beaten at the point of attack. So ban it if you want, but I don't know if it actually changes the rate of injury too much.

Smacking Dobbs in the head earlier caused McKinney to not tackle him later?

That should go in the BBI HOF.

as the reason to watch the TNF game.

Now that angle is gone.

From the linked article above, the NFL is tracking injuries from the hip drop now, so it is not going to miss this one.

May add more than a few drops to the bucket needed to overcome inertia.

And, BTW, the "drop" on Barkley, if anyone needs to see it.

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It's football.

If you don't like, start watching soccer.

In comment 16212201 Eric from BBI said:

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It's football. If you don't like, start watching soccer.

I get where you are going, but soccer - European - is very physical.