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Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 12:36 pm
Jones highest graded player on the offense, hyatt and waller 2nd/3rd. think jones' may have the highest graded game of the year so far of any qb. they had jones pressured on 30% of dropbacks.

jms and mckethan the highest graded offensive lineman, neal the lowest. sacks were credited 1 each against the IOL.

neal gave up 2 pressures and had a penalty. also had his run block grade lowest.





lawrence, simmons, hawkins 3 highest graded players on defense. Dex had 5 pressures simmons had 1 in just 3 rushes, leonard williams had 4. simmons also highest graded player in coverage (just 9 coverage plays).

worst graded players on defense were:

banks (4 of 6 targets completed),
ward (0 pressures and just 1 tackle in 35 plays),
mcfadden (4 missed tackles, 4 targets/ 4 receptions allowed - though he was also the teams highest gradeed special teams player on 11 saps)



all in all great effort from the entire young OL and whatever gameplan they used to protect them.

on defense thibodeaux and mckinney in particular need to step things up. they play splash positions and have yet to make splash plays. wonder if they increase simmons' role or give carter coughlin a chance with some of mcfadden's reps.
Somewhat lost in the insanity of these first 8 quarters  
j_rud : 9/18/2023 12:42 pm : link
Is the fact that we have 2 rookie corner acts playing solid football right now. Lot of miscommunication in the back 7 but it doesn't seem to be those Banks or Hawkins.
McKinney needs to stop  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/18/2023 12:43 pm : link
trying to tackle bigger guys high. Seems like he is way too intent on trying to strip the ball.
RE: Somewhat lost in the insanity of these first 8 quarters  
gersh : 9/18/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16211630 j_rud said:
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Is the fact that we have 2 rookie corner acts playing solid football right now. Lot of miscommunication in the back 7 but it doesn't seem to be those Banks or Hawkins.


Amen brother
And Banks looked better than that PFF grade. Both rookies are certified tough

Want to feel good about this teams future? These two on their rookie contracts for the next four years. And all the money for next year with Golladay finally coming off the books and Leo’s crazy cap hit being done.

Do you guys know how to evaluate talent. Lock up the right guys and draft well.

The Future looks bright even if we may not be ready to play with the 49ers, Cowboys and Eagles just yet
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gersh : 9/18/2023 1:15 pm : link
These guys know how to evaluate talent
I thought  
Kevin in Annapolis : 9/18/2023 1:18 pm : link
Banks looked good yesterday.
Thanks  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/18/2023 1:20 pm : link
I don't think PFF is the end all but interesting D scores. Williams not as bad as some were making him out to be and some interesting grades overall. Hopefully the D run grades moves up soon.

Encouraging score for McKethan in his first game coming back from injury.

RE: I thought  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/18/2023 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16211767 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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Banks looked good yesterday.


Yeah, I'm not sure where this bad coverage grade is coming from. Other than the one completion to Ertz, who made a great catch while being blanketed by Banks, I don't really recall seeing him being beaten much. Maybe a pass to Hollywood?

I thought he was right there on his coverage. Sometimes the other guys make plays.
I’d like to think this is more accurate  
gersh : 9/18/2023 1:26 pm : link
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Bounce-back performance from the #Giants offensive line. Allowed only seven pressures.

The Pass Block Win Rates:
LT Josh Ezeudu 89.7% (21st)
LG Mark Glowinski 93.8% (18th)
C JM Schmitz 100% (T-1)
RG Marcus McKethan 89.7% (27th)
RT Evan Neal 93.1% (15th)
RE: RE: I thought  
gersh : 9/18/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16211781 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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In comment 16211767 Kevin in Annapolis said:


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Banks looked good yesterday.



Yeah, I'm not sure where this bad coverage grade is coming from. Other than the one completion to Ertz, who made a great catch while being blanketed by Banks, I don't really recall seeing him being beaten much. Maybe a pass to Hollywood?

I thought he was right there on his coverage. Sometimes the other guys make plays.


Exactly!
I know we’re not watching the all 22 coaches film, but we know when a guy has good coverage and the other guys just make a play.

Banks and Hawkins both look damn good and tough as nails
I hate the  
bronxboy : 9/18/2023 1:33 pm : link
stat for DB's completions against targeted. Do stats show how many times DB had the receiver covered like a blanket and wasn't targeted?
RE: RE: RE: I thought  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/18/2023 1:36 pm : link
In comment 16211795 gersh said:
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In comment 16211781 Cap'n Bluebeard said:


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In comment 16211767 Kevin in Annapolis said:


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Banks looked good yesterday.



Yeah, I'm not sure where this bad coverage grade is coming from. Other than the one completion to Ertz, who made a great catch while being blanketed by Banks, I don't really recall seeing him being beaten much. Maybe a pass to Hollywood?

I thought he was right there on his coverage. Sometimes the other guys make plays.



Exactly!
I know we’re not watching the all 22 coaches film, but we know when a guy has good coverage and the other guys just make a play.

Banks and Hawkins both look damn good and tough as nails


Agreed. Very odd. I subscribe to NFL Gamepass so I can watch the All 22. I'll have to take a look whenever it gets posted to see what I'm missing, or at least see if I can get a sense of where the PFF guys are coming from.
RE: I’d like to think this is more accurate  
allstarjim : 9/18/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16211792 gersh said:
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Bounce-back performance from the #Giants offensive line. Allowed only seven pressures.

The Pass Block Win Rates:
LT Josh Ezeudu 89.7% (21st)
LG Mark Glowinski 93.8% (18th)
C JM Schmitz 100% (T-1)
RG Marcus McKethan 89.7% (27th)
RT Evan Neal 93.1% (15th)


Yeah it's really interesting seeing this stat and then looking at the PFF score. You see in the PFF score, 1 penalty, 1 hurry, and 1 QB hit allowed for Neal, no sacks. It's not Walter Jones, but seems incongruent with the low grade.
I thought Neal looked better than his PFF grade  
Metnut : 9/18/2023 2:00 pm : link
I wonder what's causing that low score for him.
RE: I thought Neal looked better than his PFF grade  
GoDeep13 : 9/18/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16211869 Metnut said:
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I wonder what's causing that low score for him.
I agree with PFF. Neal had some ugly snaps that went unnoticed be abuse the play was either still completed or went away from him. He also has Bellinger helping quite a bit.
RE: RE: I thought Neal looked better than his PFF grade  
GoDeep13 : 9/18/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16211924 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16211869 Metnut said:


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I wonder what's causing that low score for him.

I agree with PFF. Neal had some ugly snaps that went unnoticed be abuse the play was either still completed or went away from him. He also has Bellinger helping quite a bit.
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RE: I’d like to think this is more accurate  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16211792 gersh said:
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Bounce-back performance from the #Giants offensive line. Allowed only seven pressures.

The Pass Block Win Rates:
LT Josh Ezeudu 89.7% (21st)
LG Mark Glowinski 93.8% (18th)
C JM Schmitz 100% (T-1)
RG Marcus McKethan 89.7% (27th)
RT Evan Neal 93.1% (15th)


pff grades dont matter as much to me as their raw stats.

these %'s imo are also less relevant. if a tackle plays 50 snaps and gets beat clean on the game losint sack/strip/fumble td, their 98% win rate misses a big part of the story.

penalties, sacks, hits, pressures allowed are the biggest value i see in pff.
 
christian : 9/18/2023 3:08 pm : link
Eric, not really a response to this thread, but something I've noticed from time-to-time, is PFF for some players has a much higher pressure count than some of the other site, PFR for example.

Do you know if they include something PFR doesn't?
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Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16211988 christian said:
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Eric, not really a response to this thread, but something I've noticed from time-to-time, is PFF for some players has a much higher pressure count than some of the other site, PFR for example.

Do you know if they include something PFR doesn't?


i dont my guess is it's just a difference of whatever their points of emphasis are in watching what is or isn't a pressure. i believe pff has 2 people who watch each game to confirm things before publishing, i dont know how PFR tabulates things that are more ambiguous than the official statistics.

i dont necessarily trust 1 more than the other but since PFF has a lot more specific stats ill generally use theirs because it's more apples to apples methodology.
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christian : 9/18/2023 3:23 pm : link
I know PFR uses Sports Radar, which used to be the source of record for the NFL, but they changed a few years back to an outfit I can't recall.

I briefly worked with the owner of one of the big brand name sports data tracking companies. What used to be just fun data has matured into a high stakes industry, with gambling but also performance bonuses for players.

Neither here nor there, just always find how data is collected fascinating.
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Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 3:28 pm : link
In comment 16212005 christian said:
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I know PFR uses Sports Radar, which used to be the source of record for the NFL, but they changed a few years back to an outfit I can't recall.

I briefly worked with the owner of one of the big brand name sports data tracking companies. What used to be just fun data has matured into a high stakes industry, with gambling but also performance bonuses for players.

Neither here nor there, just always find how data is collected fascinating.


i have no reason to suspect any of them are generating bad data even if there are differences, as long as they are using their methodologies consistently among their own data set you can make comparisons. the actual numbers themselves are slightly less important.

field level tracking data (nextgen) is generally i find the most interesting but they dont have enough of it public yet.
Neal took a TD off the board  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/18/2023 3:36 pm : link
with his penalty. Not sure how that relates to his pff grade
A point on Slayton  
Breeze_94 : 9/18/2023 4:03 pm : link
I was at game and thought he played very well. PFF agrees apparently.

But his catch on the sideline that was ruled out - I was watching replay of the game and that was definitley a catch as his shin/ankle touched in bounds and that is equivalent of 2 feet. What an improbable catch that was. Was Daboll out of challenges there?
Just saw a clip of Evan Neal blocking air on Instagram  
No1MDGiantsFan : 9/18/2023 6:40 pm : link
😂😂
RE: A point on Slayton  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2023 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16212058 Breeze_94 said:
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I was at game and thought he played very well. PFF agrees apparently.

But his catch on the sideline that was ruled out - I was watching replay of the game and that was definitley a catch as his shin/ankle touched in bounds and that is equivalent of 2 feet. What an improbable catch that was. Was Daboll out of challenges there?


i thought shin was in, but ball moved when he hit the ground.

it was very close but i think that one was going to stay with call on the field.
RE: McKinney needs to stop  
DavidinBMNY : 9/18/2023 7:37 pm : link
In comment 16211632 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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trying to tackle bigger guys high. Seems like he is way too intent on trying to strip the ball.
He just needs to form tackle.
These are never perfect  
DavidinBMNY : 9/18/2023 7:42 pm : link
Barkley had to many snaps, and for the amount of snaps he had, while he had a few great plays, he cost them an interception again. He should be relegated to catches in the flat. Forget the middle of the field.

Its good to See Jones, Hyatt, Waller and Slay ranked in that way, b/c it looked like that when watching the game. They made big plays.

I think the OL ratings are a little unfair on JMS. Dude is a rookie holding a make shift OL together without their best OL men. We're talking 3 2nd year players starting, 1 out of position and the OL got its act together.

McFadden's rating is scary bad - the tackling - ouch.
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