This team has no defensive ends

Wink’s D has the look and feel of a 2-4-5 with not enough muscle and weight at the P.O.A. to stop the run. And our EDGE is getting shattered. It’s a big man’s game at the line of scrimmage and it seems like we’re only fielding 2 of them at any one time.

when I watched the game the 2nd time. Bad LBs doesn't help.

Need more beef on the DL. 3 big bodies on most downs please Wink.

Where is da beef?

Edge run defender - as you'd say "defensive ends"..

Neither guy has played particularly well setting the edge in the run game. That's what they're here for because they don't give you much in the pass rushing department.

Thibs of course is a 3-4 olb/edge player and he frankly hasn't looked good...scheme has a bit to do with it as he had a shit ton of drop backs in this game as well, but he absolutely needs to play better.

.....and really couldn't describe it to an opposing fan.

I think we are 3-4 but are we? LOL

If we only play two at a time.

If we arent going to be good rushing the qb at least be good stopping the run.

Our tackles are big enough to two gap. This would also help us hold the edge better as the DT would be aligned over the OT

Not even an assisted tackle.

Except for one QB hit that drew a flag.

An impact player? Lucky to still be starting.

Put more size on that defensive front to stop the run. Playing 2 defensive linemen is not cutting it, even if one of them is Dex

the radio feed was applauding our Marlboro Man for his stellar job setting the edge.

In comment 16212102 BillKo said:

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.....and really couldn't describe it to an opposing fan. I think we are 3-4 but are we? LOL

Who really is anymore? Nickel is more like a base defense most everywhere

In comment 16212102 BillKo said:

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.....and really couldn't describe it to an opposing fan. I think we are 3-4 but are we? LOL

It's a 3-4 base but reduces to a 2-4 on passing downs.

Can Thibs even get on the stat sheet? I ain't asking for much for the 5th overall pick. He's been MIA these first two games.

Lawrence, Williams, Robinson, Nunez-Roches, and Davidson were on the field for a total of 149 snaps. So we averaged 2.3 DTs on the field across 65 defensive plays. (Short yardage might inflate that figure slightly, but not much.) The edges - Thibodeaux, Ward, Ximines, and Basham - accounted for 130, or exactly two per snap. Okereke played all 65, with McFadden and Simmons totaling 62.

In the backfield, McKinney, Jackson, Banks, and Pinnock played the whole game, except for one snap where Pinnock had to sit out after getting dinged. Hawkins saw 43 snaps and McCain got a few.

So basically, the Giants played nickel two thirds of the game and heavy the other third. At first glance, that seems an odd choice against Josh Dobbs. Maybe the reasoning, with Ojulari out, was to limit big plays and force Arizona to drive the field while attacking Dobbs from unpredictable angles. The results were terrible, but the concept was sort of reasonable.

The bigger problem, as others have said, is that the edges have been lousy and the DTs, other than Lawrence, haven’t been much better

Might as well play a 5-1-5 if yesterday was a fair indicator of what we can expect from him.

In comment 16212304 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Lawrence, Williams, Robinson, Nunez-Roches, and Davidson were on the field for a total of 149 snaps. So we averaged 2.3 DTs on the field across 65 defensive plays. (Short yardage might inflate that figure slightly, but not much.) The edges - Thibodeaux, Ward, Ximines, and Basham - accounted for 130, or exactly two per snap. Okereke played all 65, with McFadden and Simmons totaling 62. In the backfield, McKinney, Jackson, Banks, and Pinnock played the whole game, except for one snap where Pinnock had to sit out after getting dinged. Hawkins saw 43 snaps and McCain got a few. So basically, the Giants played nickel two thirds of the game and heavy the other third. At first glance, that seems an odd choice against Josh Dobbs. Maybe the reasoning, with Ojulari out, was to limit big plays and force Arizona to drive the field while attacking Dobbs from unpredictable angles. The results were terrible, but the concept was sort of reasonable. The bigger problem, as others have said, is that the edges have been lousy and the DTs, other than Lawrence, haven’t been much better

Hmm; I've usually thought of it going the other way, that rushing four and sending everyone else back into coverage means you can trust your front four to rush the passer and don't need to blitz. In this case since Ojulari wasn't there it would lead to more blitzing.

having 2 promising but inexperienced DB's severely impacts the defensive line's ability to rush the passer. Dobbs was getting that ball out under 3 seconds last week

Going to need more time to disrupt then that, you guys should chill

In comment 16212278 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Can Thibs even get on the stat sheet? I ain't asking for much for the 5th overall pick. He's been MIA these first two games.

hes also been double teamed, AZ used a zone blocking scheme on him all game.

Reggie Torbor