I guess I missed this news earlier, but I figured it was gonna happen some time soon. His firing is for cause so he won't be collecting on that big contract Link - ( New Window )
She was on the phone with like 20 times late night for 30 min said she was took scared to hang up .. and when he wouldn’t pay her anymore speaking fees she went after him
because any post-termination litigation will permit Tucker to present his version of events. The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Most importantly, Tucker's reputation will most likely never recover from this incident, therefore, on those grounds, he would be justified in filing a defamation action against Tracy.
From the limited information available, it seems to me that this case is a perfect example of an organization, MSU, refusing to provide an accused individual due process in an employment disciplinary context.
This lack of due process issue in employment disciplinary matters happens every day and is a huge problem for employees in the US. And, in that regard, the vast vast majority of employees have no recorse.
because any post-termination litigation will permit Tucker to present his version of events. The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Most importantly, Tucker's reputation will most likely never recover from this incident, therefore, on those grounds, he would be justified in filing a defamation action against Tracy.
From the limited information available, it seems to me that this case is a perfect example of an organization, MSU, refusing to provide an accused individual due process in an employment disciplinary context.
This lack of due process issue in employment disciplinary matters happens every day and is a huge problem for employees in the US. And, in that regard, the vast vast majority of employees have no recorse.
MSU is not in a position where they can even be associated with misconduct at this point. I only know the broad details of the situation, but the coach should not have placed himself in a situation like this in the first place. Nothing good was going to come of it.
The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Maybe he's being fired for his version of events.
If that's the case, MSU had better be ready to pay Tucker his full contract because I can see no caused to fire him if you take his version as the gospel truth.
RE: RE: RE: At least Tucker will get his day in court
The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Maybe he's being fired for his version of events.
If that's the case, MSU had better be ready to pay Tucker his full contract because I can see no caused to fire him if you take his version as the gospel truth.
Tucker is a moron. Entering into this "relationship" may be enough of a reason. Maybe not. He should get his day in court. I think MSU wants to get out of that stupid contract and is using this. Which Tucker should explore
But I'll willingly bet any amount you want that you have not read his contract nor have one iota of a clue what he or she said to the Univ. He still Married too. So he hires his GF to do speaking alone might be an issue. You can make your point without out claiming you know all the facts. It hurts some of valid points you made.
Heck. I work in Pharma and have to to a COI form to just have a drink w some guys Ivebeen friends w for 15-20 years. Where I'm Not even buying them anything
but how can you masturbate without someone else's consent?
is that hard to comprehend? Ask Jeffrey Toobin?
She is alleging he was on the phone with him and he was masturbating and she was not ok with it. He is saying they were basically having phone sex and she was ok with it.
You don't get the creepiness of being on the phone or a zoom call with someone while they are wanking it?
She was on the phone with like 20 times late night for 30 min said she was took scared to hang up .. and when he wouldn’t pay her anymore speaking fees she went after him
If he's in a position to pay her speaking fees than it's inappropriate right there for him to have any kind of sexual relationship with her, consensual or not. And he's a married man!
he just deny it? It's not like there are recordings of the phone calls. I believe there are financial records of him sending her flowers and gifts but that can be explained away.
He was inspired by her speech an wanted to send something to say thank you. He got his wires crossed with his assistants and that's why there were multiple things sent.
The issue from MSU’s standpoint is that regardless of the contested parts, just what he has admitted to violates the contract. Even if consensual he had an inappropriate relationship with a contractor. He was incorrect on many things he told the initial investigator, like when the call happened, where he was, who paid for that trip, etc.
This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
but how can you masturbate without someone else's consent?
She basically said they were talking and she noticed him moving and making noises and was shocked by it. Unsure what to do. He finished, said thanks, and ended the call.
She says she was then thinking of staying quiet but when he suddenly canceled her training she decided to go forward or she’d feel like a hypocrite. He tried to say stuff to the investigator like ESPN was questioning the initial rape she claimed, but the reporter in question said they were never doing that.
This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
That's a good point. The Nassar scandal is still a dark cloud over East Lansing.
This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
That's a good point. The Nassar scandal is still a dark cloud over East Lansing.
Yes, I agree. And while this would be a big scandal @ any school, it's probably even bigger @ MSU.
It appears to me that he only person he had a sexual encounter with was himself.
Most importantly, Tucker's reputation will most likely never recover from this incident, therefore, on those grounds, he would be justified in filing a defamation action against Tracy.
From the limited information available, it seems to me that this case is a perfect example of an organization, MSU, refusing to provide an accused individual due process in an employment disciplinary context.
This lack of due process issue in employment disciplinary matters happens every day and is a huge problem for employees in the US. And, in that regard, the vast vast majority of employees have no recorse.
Most importantly, Tucker's reputation will most likely never recover from this incident, therefore, on those grounds, he would be justified in filing a defamation action against Tracy.
From the limited information available, it seems to me that this case is a perfect example of an organization, MSU, refusing to provide an accused individual due process in an employment disciplinary context.
This lack of due process issue in employment disciplinary matters happens every day and is a huge problem for employees in the US. And, in that regard, the vast vast majority of employees have no recorse.
MSU is not in a position where they can even be associated with misconduct at this point. I only know the broad details of the situation, but the coach should not have placed himself in a situation like this in the first place. Nothing good was going to come of it.
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The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Maybe he's being fired for his version of events.
If that's the case, MSU had better be ready to pay Tucker his full contract because I can see no caused to fire him if you take his version as the gospel truth.
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The underlying issue in my eyes is that MSU is taking Tracy's version of events as fact without giving any weight to Tucker's version.
Maybe he's being fired for his version of events.
If that's the case, MSU had better be ready to pay Tucker his full contract because I can see no caused to fire him if you take his version as the gospel truth.
Tucker is a moron. Entering into this "relationship" may be enough of a reason. Maybe not. He should get his day in court. I think MSU wants to get out of that stupid contract and is using this. Which Tucker should explore
But I'll willingly bet any amount you want that you have not read his contract nor have one iota of a clue what he or she said to the Univ. He still Married too. So he hires his GF to do speaking alone might be an issue. You can make your point without out claiming you know all the facts. It hurts some of valid points you made.
Heck. I work in Pharma and have to to a COI form to just have a drink w some guys Ivebeen friends w for 15-20 years. Where I'm Not even buying them anything
is that hard to comprehend? Ask Jeffrey Toobin?
She is alleging he was on the phone with him and he was masturbating and she was not ok with it. He is saying they were basically having phone sex and she was ok with it.
You don't get the creepiness of being on the phone or a zoom call with someone while they are wanking it?
He was inspired by her speech an wanted to send something to say thank you. He got his wires crossed with his assistants and that's why there were multiple things sent.
The issue from MSU’s standpoint is that regardless of the contested parts, just what he has admitted to violates the contract. Even if consensual he had an inappropriate relationship with a contractor. He was incorrect on many things he told the initial investigator, like when the call happened, where he was, who paid for that trip, etc.
This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
Dug his own grave.
She basically said they were talking and she noticed him moving and making noises and was shocked by it. Unsure what to do. He finished, said thanks, and ended the call.
She says she was then thinking of staying quiet but when he suddenly canceled her training she decided to go forward or she’d feel like a hypocrite. He tried to say stuff to the investigator like ESPN was questioning the initial rape she claimed, but the reporter in question said they were never doing that.
This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
That's a good point. The Nassar scandal is still a dark cloud over East Lansing.
It was a video call.
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This isn’t a random place, he’s operating in the context of a University that had the Nassar scandal. There’s no room for anything even seeming off in these areas. He knew that.
That's a good point. The Nassar scandal is still a dark cloud over East Lansing.
Yes, I agree. And while this would be a big scandal @ any school, it's probably even bigger @ MSU.