about creating the illusion of health and safety by having their Clownmissioner and their business partners (ESPN, CBS, FOX, etc) spit out their dull and weak talking points.
Just wait for the next shoe to drop - when the owners manipulate the NFLPA for the 18th game. Because I can assure you that's the next layup...
we'll all be watching thus validating the NFL's decision.
Yeah ... it's a shitty deal. They have a product that I am clearly addicted to.
How many people would need to not show up and/or not tune in ... every week and for how many of those weeks ... to force a change?
If the players' union is going along with it, I don't know how any fan conglomerate would be able to change it. Especially with so much of a money grab in the balance.
We are talking about player safety I would like to talk about the hit Fitzpatrick put on Chubb last night. There is something about a player launching themselves at someone's knees who is wrapped up in another defenders arms that just seems dirty to me.
We are talking about player safety I would like to talk about the hit Fitzpatrick put on Chubb last night. There is something about a player launching themselves at someone's knees who is wrapped up in another defenders arms that just seems dirty to me.
It was dirty IMO as well, but unfortunately how can you regulate that? Defenders will have a 6 inch space to tackle players if they keep limiting the types of hits.
Even the rules changes to protect QBs and WRs - I'd imagine the genesis of those is high scoring games = ratings with the mass audience. Otherwise, offensive players would be flagged for lowering their shoulders.
But hey - they make players wear those foam shell helmet things during preseason (funny they aren't needed during the regular season where they cover NFL Brands )
We have seen this change so much in the last 30 years. I will admit that watching games on Thursday night was fun at first and the first thought I had was " is it enough time to heal and rest for the players" then I thought, " somebody will win the game " so does it really matter?
But ad to the fact that the season is now 18 weeks long plus play offs. We have a bunch of overseas games, only 3 preseason games so starters don't play much and in regards to the Giants, it took them 6 quarters to get to " in season " mode.
The NFL doesn't have good tackling, great O Line play anymore.
The Cowboys and the Lions have been playing on Thanksgiving since the beginning of time. Nobody ever complained about it from the standpoint of player safety or quality of play.
Even today when most teams have to play on a Thursday night is there any evidence that it leads to more injury ? Perhaps the quality of play is inferior but it's the same for both teams.
If the NFL and Player association really want to do something about player safety perhaps they could agree to more pre season mandatory workouts so that when these guys show up for Week 1, they're actually in shape.
We are talking about player safety I would like to talk about the hit Fitzpatrick put on Chubb last night. There is something about a player launching themselves at someone's knees who is wrapped up in another defenders arms that just seems dirty to me.
It was dirty IMO as well, but unfortunately how can you regulate that? Defenders will have a 6 inch space to tackle players if they keep limiting the types of hits.
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I get it. To me that's more dangerous than the horse collar tackle they banned. Players just launch themselves like missles these days instead of getting low, head up, wrap up, and driving to the ground cause they like the highlight hits.
Yes, the NFL did it to make more money, but they are doing so by making more national games viewable that otherwise could only be seen locally or Sunday ticket. The same arguments were made when Monday night football was introduced years ago. Similar arguments were made when night baseball was introduced. "The league only did it to make money". Well yeah, isn't that what they're supposed to do ? More money for themselves and the players, more eyeballs and more access for their customers.
Yes, the quality of a Thursday night game is lower than a Sunday game. So is the quality of a playoff game played in an ice storm. In baseball so is the quality of a second game of a double header. Part of the test of a good team is to be able to play with that adversity. You don't always get to play well rested on a sunny cool Sunday afternoon. Once again there's no evidence the injuries are more likely on a Thursday night than they are on a Sunday.
Can also improve player safety. Cutting out the dirty hits and wearing bigger pads (just look at those 90s games) are two examples. Sure, the owners don't help with the synthetic fields, game/travel schedules, and short preseason.. but all the blame is not on them.
players care that much about safety either to be honest.
I think they use it as a red herring to negotiate, only they're just not very good negotiators.
Some things safety related have to be implemented as science evolves (like concussion protocol), but football is a violent game. Unless you're talking about fundamental rule changes, you can never truly legislate injury risk out of the game.
The Thursday games, 17th game, more playoff games, are all money makers for the league and therefore the players.
The more revenue the league makes the more money the players make.
When you poll 1700 players or their representatives and ask - will you play Thursday games - maybe 1 per team per season - for an additional few hundred million per year - what do you think the answer will be? Overwhelmingly yes IMO.
So it's not just on the NFL being concerned with player health and safety. I think the players are in on it.
players care that much about safety either to be honest.
I think they use it as a red herring to negotiate, only they're just not very good negotiators.
Some things safety related have to be implemented as science evolves (like concussion protocol), but football is a violent game. Unless you're talking about fundamental rule changes, you can never truly legislate injury risk out of the game.
The Thursday games, 17th game, more playoff games, are all money makers for the league and therefore the players.
The more revenue the league makes the more money the players make.
When you poll 1700 players or their representatives and ask - will you play Thursday games - maybe 1 per team per season - for an additional few hundred million per year - what do you think the answer will be? Overwhelmingly yes IMO.
So it's not just on the NFL being concerned with player health and safety. I think the players are in on it.
Exactly. It’s comical how much fans are always claiming to give a shit about players safety. Apparently fans care more than the players themselves do. Fans should really let the players and their union worry about this shit. So far, neither one really seems to care all that much. Why should we?
Can also improve player safety. Cutting out the dirty hits and wearing bigger pads (just look at those 90s games) are two examples. Sure, the owners don't help with the synthetic fields, game/travel schedules, and short preseason.. but all the blame is not on them.
is no greater example that the NFL is full of shit on so many different fronts than Thursday night football.
Agree 100%
It's just another way to sell a lucrative contract. They'd have tuesday, wednesday, friday and saturday night football contracts up for sale if they could.
I think the only remedy for TNF football itself, is just not watch. Yeah that's gonna happen.
I wish the NFL went back to the 16 game regular season. I hate the odd #. & yes, I know their goal is eventually an 18 game season, but again...'We're so concerned about the health & safety of our players' BS.
A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
So what? They could stay over there for the week, much like NYG did this week (well, half a week).
There have been numerous examples over the years where teams have spent the entire week on the opposite coast. I think it was the niners (maybe the Rams? Some west coast team) who played NYJ and NYG back to back weeks years ago and won both games.
I wish the NFL went back to the 16 game regular season. I hate the odd #. & yes, I know their goal is eventually an 18 game season, but again...'We're so concerned about the health & safety of our players' BS.
16 was a good number.
And for those who want 18, why not 20? Why not 22? Why not 30? If more is good, let's do a lot more...
A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
if it featured teams coming off a BYE, which they should be able to achieve. They can even make it a double header the weeks after they have 6 teams on bye which happens twice this season. I just don’t know how any reasonable person can justify playing on a few days rest when there are other options available.
RE: RE: I assume the key of the Thursday night game is
A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
There’s still an extra day in there. And they have the longer rest the week before. So it still has more benefit then the current Thursday format.
if it featured teams coming off a BYE, which they should be able to achieve. They can even make it a double header the weeks after they have 6 teams on bye which happens twice this season. I just don’t know how any reasonable person can justify playing on a few days rest when there are other options available.
And the way you make it work is the single team that each team faces each year now with the 17 game schedule can be dictated by that format.
A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
There’s still an extra day in there. And they have the longer rest the week before. So it still has more benefit then the current Thursday format.
There's an extra night of sleep, that's it. I'm not saying that's without value, but that's the only thing you're adding, because you're going from a night game on Tuesday to (presumably, most often) a day game on Sunday, whereas the current scenario goes from a day game on Sunday (most often) to a night game on Thursday.
The extra hours would go to sleep, but not extra prep. I can see how it's better, but not dramatically better. I would call it more same than different.
Too bad I don't get ESPN. Their greed cost them one viewer, lol
Seriously, on topic, will Greedell even rest until there's a game on every single night?
Can't remember for how long, but in recent years it seems like there have been a couple games on MNF for the first few weeks of the season. WE get two this coming Monday, too (Eagles-Bucs at 7:15 and Rams-Bengals at 8:15).
Too bad I don't get ESPN. Their greed cost them one viewer, lol
Seriously, on topic, will Greedell even rest until there's a game on every single night?
No its not. As far back as the early 80's the Seahawks played a second Monday night game at home due to a scheduling conflict with the Mariners. Is the same thing going on here ? For one reason or another could the second Monday night game not be played on Sunday ?
In comment 16212965 ajr2456 said:
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How do international games affect safety?
For East coast teams - which most of participants usually are - the plane ride is not much further than it is for west coast games.
If you're referring to field surfaces, the international ones are sometimes better than the NFL ones.
Not quite on point here. The longest flight from the East to West Coast is about 5 hours. NFL teams are used to doing that and are used to practicing on the opposing team's fields or sites.
The shortest flight from NY to London is 7.5 to 8 hours. London is five hours ahead of NY, so you're basically losing 13 hours of game prep (not even counting for Customs which, although expedited, is going to add at least another hour for a whole team). Any international traveler will tell you that's the hardest part of international travel, going west to east. Also, those fields are built for soccer/rugby. NFL teams are not used to practicing on that type of field. Makes a world of difference.
But hey…player’s safety!
How do international games affect safety?
For East coast teams - which most of participants usually are - the plane ride is not much further than it is for west coast games.
If you're referring to field surfaces, the international ones are sometimes better than the NFL ones.
Just wait for the next shoe to drop - when the owners manipulate the NFLPA for the 18th game. Because I can assure you that's the next layup...
Yeah ... it's a shitty deal. They have a product that I am clearly addicted to.
How many people would need to not show up and/or not tune in ... every week and for how many of those weeks ... to force a change?
If the players' union is going along with it, I don't know how any fan conglomerate would be able to change it. Especially with so much of a money grab in the balance.
No one believes the NFL puts player safety before the $
Arguments can also be made it hurts the quality of play and competitive balance, but I still look forward to watching Thursday Night Football.
Don’t love when it s my team playing, prefer Sunday, but overall SNF more than I don’t
But another interesting question, what's really stopping the NFL from playing on Tuesday and Wednesday in the future?
It was dirty IMO as well, but unfortunately how can you regulate that? Defenders will have a 6 inch space to tackle players if they keep limiting the types of hits.
Even the rules changes to protect QBs and WRs - I'd imagine the genesis of those is high scoring games = ratings with the mass audience. Otherwise, offensive players would be flagged for lowering their shoulders.
But hey - they make players wear those foam shell helmet things during preseason (funny they aren't needed during the regular season where they cover NFL Brands )
But ad to the fact that the season is now 18 weeks long plus play offs. We have a bunch of overseas games, only 3 preseason games so starters don't play much and in regards to the Giants, it took them 6 quarters to get to " in season " mode.
The NFL doesn't have good tackling, great O Line play anymore.
Even today when most teams have to play on a Thursday night is there any evidence that it leads to more injury ? Perhaps the quality of play is inferior but it's the same for both teams.
If the NFL and Player association really want to do something about player safety perhaps they could agree to more pre season mandatory workouts so that when these guys show up for Week 1, they're actually in shape.
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We are talking about player safety I would like to talk about the hit Fitzpatrick put on Chubb last night. There is something about a player launching themselves at someone's knees who is wrapped up in another defenders arms that just seems dirty to me.
It was dirty IMO as well, but unfortunately how can you regulate that? Defenders will have a 6 inch space to tackle players if they keep limiting the types of hits.
I get it. To me that's more dangerous than the horse collar tackle they banned. Players just launch themselves like missles these days instead of getting low, head up, wrap up, and driving to the ground cause they like the highlight hits.
Yes, the quality of a Thursday night game is lower than a Sunday game. So is the quality of a playoff game played in an ice storm. In baseball so is the quality of a second game of a double header. Part of the test of a good team is to be able to play with that adversity. You don't always get to play well rested on a sunny cool Sunday afternoon. Once again there's no evidence the injuries are more likely on a Thursday night than they are on a Sunday.
Roger Goodell, Taco Charlton, Sam Darnold.
I think they use it as a red herring to negotiate, only they're just not very good negotiators.
Some things safety related have to be implemented as science evolves (like concussion protocol), but football is a violent game. Unless you're talking about fundamental rule changes, you can never truly legislate injury risk out of the game.
The Thursday games, 17th game, more playoff games, are all money makers for the league and therefore the players.
The more revenue the league makes the more money the players make.
When you poll 1700 players or their representatives and ask - will you play Thursday games - maybe 1 per team per season - for an additional few hundred million per year - what do you think the answer will be? Overwhelmingly yes IMO.
So it's not just on the NFL being concerned with player health and safety. I think the players are in on it.
I think they use it as a red herring to negotiate, only they're just not very good negotiators.
Some things safety related have to be implemented as science evolves (like concussion protocol), but football is a violent game. Unless you're talking about fundamental rule changes, you can never truly legislate injury risk out of the game.
The Thursday games, 17th game, more playoff games, are all money makers for the league and therefore the players.
The more revenue the league makes the more money the players make.
When you poll 1700 players or their representatives and ask - will you play Thursday games - maybe 1 per team per season - for an additional few hundred million per year - what do you think the answer will be? Overwhelmingly yes IMO.
So it's not just on the NFL being concerned with player health and safety. I think the players are in on it.
Exactly. It’s comical how much fans are always claiming to give a shit about players safety. Apparently fans care more than the players themselves do. Fans should really let the players and their union worry about this shit. So far, neither one really seems to care all that much. Why should we?
I’d wager todays pads, while smaller are safer
Agree 100%
It's just another way to sell a lucrative contract. They'd have tuesday, wednesday, friday and saturday night football contracts up for sale if they could.
I think the only remedy for TNF football itself, is just not watch. Yeah that's gonna happen.
So many different fronts...
More money for everyone and some time to recuperate for mid week games.
Why not?
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
So what? They could stay over there for the week, much like NYG did this week (well, half a week).
There have been numerous examples over the years where teams have spent the entire week on the opposite coast. I think it was the niners (maybe the Rams? Some west coast team) who played NYJ and NYG back to back weeks years ago and won both games.
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Literally one of the worst straw man arguments ever.
Everyone loves Thanksgiving football No different - it is still Thursday
Everyone loves Thanksgiving football No different - it is still Thursday
Thanksgiving is one day. One. Your argument and example are nonsense.
16 was a good number.
And for those who want 18, why not 20? Why not 22? Why not 30? If more is good, let's do a lot more...
I’ll add a + (whatever # I am in agreeing).
The occasional TNF was fun. The regularly scheduled, and now only on Prime, is over the top.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
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A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
There’s still an extra day in there. And they have the longer rest the week before. So it still has more benefit then the current Thursday format.
And the way you make it work is the single team that each team faces each year now with the 17 game schedule can be dictated by that format.
Too bad I don't get ESPN. Their greed cost them one viewer, lol
Seriously, on topic, will Greedell even rest until there's a game on every single night?
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In comment 16213254 bradshaw44 said:
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A new day in the cycle to create a new revenue ad stream. It’s a stand alone day that everyone has to watch because it’s only two teams.
If this is the case, why not just have a Tuesday night football game? You can have Monday night football and Tuesday night football. Not teams that played Sunday. It’s just two lucky teams, that get to play on Tuesday night so they get a little more rest one week. AND THAT would show you care some for player safety as well.
And then the following week, the regularly scheduled Sunday game would have basically the same short rest as the current Thursday night games provide.
There’s still an extra day in there. And they have the longer rest the week before. So it still has more benefit then the current Thursday format.
There's an extra night of sleep, that's it. I'm not saying that's without value, but that's the only thing you're adding, because you're going from a night game on Tuesday to (presumably, most often) a day game on Sunday, whereas the current scenario goes from a day game on Sunday (most often) to a night game on Thursday.
The extra hours would go to sleep, but not extra prep. I can see how it's better, but not dramatically better. I would call it more same than different.
Too bad I don't get ESPN. Their greed cost them one viewer, lol
Seriously, on topic, will Greedell even rest until there's a game on every single night?
Can't remember for how long, but in recent years it seems like there have been a couple games on MNF for the first few weeks of the season. WE get two this coming Monday, too (Eagles-Bucs at 7:15 and Rams-Bengals at 8:15).
Too bad I don't get ESPN. Their greed cost them one viewer, lol
Seriously, on topic, will Greedell even rest until there's a game on every single night?
Quote: Worst Union in the country
How do international games affect safety?
For East coast teams - which most of participants usually are - the plane ride is not much further than it is for west coast games.
If you're referring to field surfaces, the international ones are sometimes better than the NFL ones.
Not quite on point here. The longest flight from the East to West Coast is about 5 hours. NFL teams are used to doing that and are used to practicing on the opposing team's fields or sites.
The shortest flight from NY to London is 7.5 to 8 hours. London is five hours ahead of NY, so you're basically losing 13 hours of game prep (not even counting for Customs which, although expedited, is going to add at least another hour for a whole team). Any international traveler will tell you that's the hardest part of international travel, going west to east. Also, those fields are built for soccer/rugby. NFL teams are not used to practicing on that type of field. Makes a world of difference.