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How do the Niners defend the Giants with no Saquon?

nygiants16 : 9/20/2023 7:13 am
The Niners are known for having a lot of speed on their defense but also being very agressive in their coverages and with their safeties. Their 2 inside LBs are very fast and can go sideline to sideline but also drop back into coverage.

Their Safeties are agressive, they like to come up and make plays, they also like to blitz, they will be over agressive in coverage and try to jump routes.

With no Saquon the offense is going to most likely be more like the one we saw in the 2nd half, ball in Jones hands shotgun sling it around with Breida sprinkled in. Do the safeties and backers for the Niners remain up and play downhill or does no saquon make them back off a little bit?

I think there is some daylight here for Hyatt and maybe Slayton to have a really big impact because of the agressiveness of their safeties. I could see Hyatt getting behind the defense a few times.

Does the Niners scheme change? or do they stick to what they do and if the Giants complete a couple of deep passes so be if?
Their DLine doesn't need  
section125 : 9/20/2023 7:20 am : link
blitz help to get to the QB. They will keep the back 7 close to the line and dare Jones to beat them deep.
As always with this team - it will be about the trenches.  
mittenedman : 9/20/2023 7:21 am : link
The Cards have the worst defensive line in the NFL IMO, so it's hard to know what to think about last week's pass pro. We all saw what happened vs. DAL, and SF is just as good (if not better) up front.

If they get relentless pressure on DJ with front 4, we're going to get our asses kicked to high heaven, and it won't really matter what they do in the back 7.

Conversely, if our front 4 gets washed off the field, it's going to get ugly. SF plays "avalanche football" - they can put up points quickly on O and their D is really tough. Games can get out of hand quickly. Avoiding that initial death grip is key.
I think they  
Torn Tendon : 9/20/2023 7:25 am : link
will look to hit Jones any chance they get. Especially punish him whenever he runs.
Barkley or not  
Biteymax22 : 9/20/2023 8:03 am : link
I think the 49er's are going to challenge the Giants to beat them deep. Despite having Hyatt and Slayton that can get over the top, my gut says the 49er's think that they're pass rush will make it impossible for the Giants to take deep shots.

Load up the front, hit Jones and make the Giants sustain drives of 3, 4, 5 yards at a clip.
I agree Bitey  
mittenedman : 9/20/2023 8:06 am : link
Wouldn’t be shocked to see the Giants throw a bomb to Hyatt on the first play. A “messenger” bomb.
How are Giants going to defend Ninets  
kelly : 9/20/2023 8:47 am : link
Our run defense has been terrible.
RE: I think they  
ThomasG : 9/20/2023 8:49 am : link
In comment 16213421 Torn Tendon said:
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will look to hit Jones any chance they get. Especially punish him whenever he runs.


DJ may need to make some prudent decisions on Thursday night.

The LB crew on San Fran is very good and would love to light him up when he scrambles a bit too far.
The Niners overmatch us  
BillT : 9/20/2023 9:04 am : link
Just like the Cowboys and Eagles do. It will take a heroic effort by the OL to give the offense the running lanes and time to execute the offense. The defense needs to build on the end of the Cards game. Look, this was always an “L” on the schedule. Take whatever positives you can and move on.
Without Barkley they won't be worried about anyone  
PatersonPlank : 9/20/2023 9:40 am : link
They will plays us straight up, rush 4 drop 7. When the pass rush gets there with only 4 we will be a heap of trouble because no one will be open (especially when we need to keep a 6tht and/or 7th player in to help pass pro. Then people will start yelling Jones stinks because he can't hit players who are not open vs 7 defenders while under pressure
RE: Without Barkley they won't be worried about anyone  
ThomasG : 9/20/2023 9:42 am : link
In comment 16213483 PatersonPlank said:
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They will plays us straight up, rush 4 drop 7. When the pass rush gets there with only 4 we will be a heap of trouble because no one will be open (especially when we need to keep a 6tht and/or 7th player in to help pass pro. Then people will start yelling Jones stinks because he can't hit players who are not open vs 7 defenders while under pressure


This feels right. Although would be basically same with Barkley as well.
You are going to see alot of max protect  
stoneman : 9/20/2023 9:48 am : link
without SB's breakaway threat and SF's D funnel to pass, they most likely gameplan to move the ball via pass. Unfortunately, SF gets pressure with only 4 (most pressures on least blitzes), so it could be a long day. I doubt NYG try to slow the game down via the run since they won't control the LOS, but they may try :(.
Got Pride?  
Tim in JTown : 9/20/2023 10:03 am : link
Let's see. Last time on national TV they completely embarrassed themselves, their coaches, their fans, and their great history.

Show the F up! Play physical, fast, and smart football. Win the damn game.
RE: The Niners overmatch us  
TinVA : 9/20/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16213454 BillT said:
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Just like the Cowboys and Eagles do. It will take a heroic effort by the OL to give the offense the running lanes and time to execute the offense. The defense needs to build on the end of the Cards game. Look, this was always an “L” on the schedule. Take whatever positives you can and move on.


What he said^
It's a really tough matchup  
mittenedman : 9/20/2023 10:17 am : link
for our Defense, too: they relentlessly attack the edges (run) and ILBs (pass) and that's where the Giants D is weak.

Matchup-wise, this is as tough as it gets for Wink's D.
Relatively easily, I'd imagine.  
David B. : 9/20/2023 10:28 am : link
Don't give Jones time to throw.

No one's running on SF anyway. Teams are averaging 16 rushing attempts per game against them thus far this year.
Hyatt  
Costy16 : 9/20/2023 10:31 am : link
Will hopefully get more time on the field to help spread the defense.

I think Brieda is a serviceable option in the backfield. Noticed alot of max protect last week vs Cards. Bellinger was left in to block on alot of the big passes Jones hit in the second half.
The Rams  
santacruzom : 9/20/2023 10:46 am : link
Had a lot of success throwing short passes to Nacua last week. I actually think Hodgins could replicate a lot of that.
RE: I agree Bitey  
islander1 : 9/20/2023 11:00 am : link
In comment 16213431 mittenedman said:
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Wouldn’t be shocked to see the Giants throw a bomb to Hyatt on the first play. A “messenger” bomb.


This assumes Jones even has four seconds to throw one.

Big assumption, imho.
RE: Their DLine doesn't need  
bw in dc : 9/20/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16213418 section125 said:
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blitz help to get to the QB. They will keep the back 7 close to the line and dare Jones to beat them deep.


This is correct. Wilks has the great luxury of having the DL that wreaks the most havoc in the league without help.
Call up their PS players  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/20/2023 11:16 am : link
rest their starters.
Here is the simple formula to beat the 49'ers  
SGMen : 9/20/2023 11:47 am : link
First, score more points then them. Ha Ha

But seriously, we have to be able to run on them and execute the safe, short pass game. Their pass rush will make the deep pass difficult but if we can run hard and be effective it will open things up.

As for our defense, it must keep their run game in check. Purdy is not an accurate deep passer so can we pressure him and finally get turnovers?

If we want to win we must win the turnover battle; run well, stop their run and hope we get that big play downfield just like last week.

Jones must outplay Purdy and the defense must "own" the right side of the 49'ers OL which is subpar overall.
RE: Barkley or not  
jnoble : 9/20/2023 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16213428 Biteymax22 said:
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I think the 49er's are going to challenge the Giants to beat them deep. Despite having Hyatt and Slayton that can get over the top, my gut says the 49er's think that they're pass rush will make it impossible for the Giants to take deep shots.

Load up the front, hit Jones and make the Giants sustain drives of 3, 4, 5 yards at a clip.


I call the big one "Bitey"...
Copycat League  
GiantGrit : 9/20/2023 2:59 pm : link
Will play us similar to Philly and Dallas, play near LOS. Take away the slants underneath would be my guess.

Wilks likes to blitz, Giants will probably leave in the RB and TE to add an additional blocker I would think.

To answer you in one word, aggressive.
I'd like to think  
Photoguy : 9/20/2023 7:11 pm : link
Daboll, Kafka, and Wink are working like mad scientists trying to come up with a plan. Problem is, they don't have the normal lead time to work it out.
They'll send Bosa and drop 10 into coverage ...  
FStubbs : 9/20/2023 7:24 pm : link
... and still get pressure on Jones.
Really easily  
JesseS : 9/20/2023 8:42 pm : link
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