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Barkley, Thomas, Bredeson, Ojulari Out

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/20/2023 2:52 pm
GIANTS STATUSES FOR TNF

Out:
RB Saquon Barkley (Ankle)
OL Ben Bredeson (Concussion)
OLB Azeez Ojulari (Hamstring)
T Andrew Thomas (Hamstring)

Questionable:
ILB Micah McFadden (Neck)
WR Wan’Dale Robinson (Knee)
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/20/2023 3:37 pm : link
Azeez is a joke.
*never.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2023 3:37 pm : link
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I forgot  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/20/2023 3:39 pm : link
Ojulari was even on the team.
Is anyone really shocked???  
JT039 : 9/20/2023 3:41 pm : link
We weren’t beating them with all those guys anyways. So why play them? The cardinals win all but sealed they weren’t playing. Let them heal up cause the Seattle game is much more important.
Why did  
bronxboy : 9/20/2023 3:41 pm : link
they take Robinson off PUP? Missing fourth game this week.
They protected these guys in the pre-season  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2023 3:42 pm : link
and barely even played them. Barkley, in particular, didn't play a single snap in the pre-season. And even with all of that protecting, they still manage to geti njured in Game 2. It's unreal.
RE: Is anyone really shocked???  
joeinpa : 9/20/2023 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16213890 JT039 said:
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We weren’t beating them with all those guys anyways. So why play them? The cardinals win all but sealed they weren’t playing. Let them heal up cause the Seattle game is much more important.


I agree next week s game is more important. I disagree with writing tomorrow off as a loss before the game is played
This is not surprising at all  
Chris684 : 9/20/2023 3:44 pm : link
It sucks but it’s smart by NYG given the circumstances the NFL creates for these teams.

Stuck out west with 3 days in between 2 football games.
RE: Yeah, you guys are right, he's enver injured.  
joeinpa : 9/20/2023 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16213883 Dave in Hoboken said:
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No one Denys he s been injured. It s your insinuation he has been an attitude problem I take issue with
RE: They protected these guys in the pre-season  
Chris684 : 9/20/2023 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16213892 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and barely even played them. Barkley, in particular, didn't play a single snap in the pre-season. And even with all of that protecting, they still manage to geti njured in Game 2. It's unreal.


How do you propose Barkley or any other player is supposed to avoid what happened to him?

RE: RE: Is anyone really shocked???  
JT039 : 9/20/2023 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16213894 joeinpa said:
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We weren’t beating them with all those guys anyways. So why play them? The cardinals win all but sealed they weren’t playing. Let them heal up cause the Seattle game is much more important.



I agree next week s game is more important. I disagree with writing tomorrow off as a loss before the game is played


I wrote it off as a loss the second the schedule came out.
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christian : 9/20/2023 3:47 pm : link
It's not an indictment on Barkley's character, just the position he plays.

This will be three seasons he will miss time with a sprained ankle, not to mention the year he missed with a torn ACL.

If this sprain is like his other low ankle sprain and he misses three games, that's 66% of his years missing three plus games.
at this point  
fish3321 : 9/20/2023 3:47 pm : link
get a draft pick for Azeez

better than what were getting for him now (Nothing)

RE: This is going to be a really tough one  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/20/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16213832 kelsto811 said:
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No threat of the run, beat up OL...what they did last week almost seems unfeasible, hope I am wrong
At least we should be able to replicate the 1st half
Is clowney still out there?  
DJ5150 : 9/20/2023 3:52 pm : link
Need someone to passrush asap?…
RE: Why did  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/20/2023 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16213891 bronxboy said:
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they take Robinson off PUP? Missing fourth game this week.


they've only played two games so far -- this will be game #3
RE: RE: Yeah, you guys are right, he's enver injured.  
joeinpa : 9/20/2023 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16213899 joeinpa said:
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No one Denys he s been injured. It s your insinuation he has been an attitude problem I take issue with


Denies
RE: Why did  
HBart : 9/20/2023 3:55 pm : link
In comment 16213891 bronxboy said:
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they take Robinson off PUP? Missing fourth game this week.

He's listed as questionable. Given they've already ruled out players, seems more likely he will play.
None  
AcidTest : 9/20/2023 3:55 pm : link
of this is unexpected. I'm also quite sure that AO and all the other players want to play. Next man up. Games are not played on paper. I doubt it will happen, but we can still win.
With Ojulari Out  
Trainmaster : 9/20/2023 3:55 pm : link
Maybe we’ll see more of Simmons blitzing / rushing the passer (I know he’s not an Edge).

McFadden's run defense has certainly been questionable  
RCPhoenix : 9/20/2023 3:56 pm : link
my biggest concern going up against SF is not the Giants' pass rush but their inability to stop the run. Not sure what changed in the 4th quarter vs. Arizona when suddenly the defense figured it out, but that type of horrid run defense from the first 3 quarters will lead to a very long night in SF for the Giants.
Did Ojulari get hurt NOT shedding the Dallas WR’s block?  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/20/2023 4:01 pm : link
Or maybe his injured pride is week to week after that shameful play?
RE: None  
Chris684 : 9/20/2023 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16213916 AcidTest said:
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of this is unexpected. I'm also quite sure that AO and all the other players want to play. Next man up. Games are not played on paper. I doubt it will happen, but we can still win.


To your point, the last time we played on a Thursday night happened to be on Thanksgiving Day when we were even more injured against a Dallas team that was supposed to kick the shit out of us.

We obviously didn’t win but we easily could have if not for self inflicted wounds in that one. I expect a competitive game Thursday Night.
RE: RE: Yeah, you guys are right, he's enver injured.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2023 4:06 pm : link
In comment 16213899 joeinpa said:
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No one Denys he s been injured. It s your insinuation he has been an attitude problem I take issue with


Please show me where i said it has anything to do with his attitude?
38-17  
Giant volunteer 79 : 9/20/2023 4:15 pm : link
38-10 with a garbage time score
RE: this will get ugly.  
Johnny5 : 9/20/2023 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16213830 SoZKillA said:
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Also, Azeez is still a softy.

RE: They protected these guys in the pre-season  
Gman11 : 9/20/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16213892 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and barely even played them. Barkley, in particular, didn't play a single snap in the pre-season. And even with all of that protecting, they still manage to geti njured in Game 2. It's unreal.


So, do you think if he played in the preseason the defensive player wouldn't have landed on his leg and twisted his ankle?
Here's hoping new OC...  
bw in dc : 9/20/2023 4:33 pm : link
Daboll greenlights Jones to play fearlessly and he goes big game hunting with the passing game.
Disappointiong: Thomas  
SGMen : 9/20/2023 4:34 pm : link
Barkley and Brederson I kinda knew for sure they'd be out. Ojulari was not a big surprise but it hurts. But being without stud LT for a second game against a great front four really stinks.

This is the week where we truly learn about Ezedeu at LT; Neal at RT; and, McEthan at OG. Can this young OL hold up against this level of competition?? I am thinking, unfortunately, not a chance.

We will need to run really, really well despite missing Barkley and hope that Jones can create things with his legs and short quick throws.

And can our defense put it together and generate some rush? Is this the game that Simmons is used perfectly and surprises everyone? We need someone to step up and surprise SF?
If our pass blocking holds up  
M.S. : 9/20/2023 4:49 pm : link

The Giants offense can do some damage. That may not translate into a win, but it could make for a competitive game.

No need to dwell on the consequences of poor pass blocking.
RE: RE: Ojulari and Barkley constantly injured.  
MotownGIANTS : 9/20/2023 5:12 pm : link
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Don't want to hear Barkley bitch again next year when he doesn't get what he wants from a contract standpoint. Ojulari is just whatever at this point.

Thomas being out again is disappointing, but whatever.



Barkley has played 31 out of the last 36 games, he is not constantly injured


Most players would have been injured on that play ...
RE: RE: RE: Yeah, you guys are right, he's enver injured.  
joeinpa : 9/20/2023 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16213936 Dave in Hoboken said:
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No one Denys he s been injured. It s your insinuation he has been an attitude problem I take issue with



Please show me where i said it has anything to do with his attitude?


You didn’t want to hear his bitching, If that is not a reference to attitude, I withdraw my objection.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah, you guys are right, he's enver injured.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/20/2023 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16213989 joeinpa said:
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No one Denys he s been injured. It s your insinuation he has been an attitude problem I take issue with



Please show me where i said it has anything to do with his attitude?



You didn’t want to hear his bitching, If that is not a reference to attitude, I withdraw my objection.


I'm not saying he will, but he obviously wasn't happy coming into this season. He got injured yet again in just Week 2. But he'll wonder why he's not getting every last penny he wants. I mean..
RE: this will get ugly.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/20/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16213830 SoZKillA said:
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Also, Azeez is still a softy.


I know he dropped due to injury in the draft but they need to draft another Edge and a DE next year. Wasted roster spot at this point sadly. He's never ever healthy regardless of talent
RE: Why did  
81_Great_Dane : 9/20/2023 5:46 pm : link
In comment 16213891 bronxboy said:
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they take Robinson off PUP? Missing fourth game this week.
Because he can't practice while he's on PUP. He can practice and remain inactive until they're satisfied that he's recovered, up to speed and ready for full-contact game action.
A bad team without 4 starters  
DavidinBMNY : 9/20/2023 6:25 pm : link
Is a very bad team. To state the obvious, a win in San Fran would be a shock based on the first 2 games and down 4 starters.
Ojulari has done nothing so not much of a lose  
kelly : 9/20/2023 8:14 pm : link
we are used to him not playing.

Running backs get injured its the nature of the position. Hopefully someone else steps it up.

McFadden, maybe his neck was bothering him the last game and that explains the missed tackles. Give Coughlin a chance, I think he has earned that.

I would like to see us try a 4-4-3 defense against the niners, nothing to lose.
A saw this question on a recent S.A.T. exam  
M.S. : 9/21/2023 7:52 am : link

Which statement best describes the New York Giants?

(a) An NFL team that is chronically injured year after year?

(b) An NFL team that has marginal back-up talent to fill in for injured players?

(c) Both statements are equally true

(:-(

nice to see Wandale. Ojulari just cant stay on the field  
Victor in CT : 9/21/2023 8:04 am : link
too bad but it's to the point now that they can't count on him at all.

I know there are no medals for trying but I think it will be a moral victory tonight if they manage not to get run out of the building and come out healthy with no new injuries.
RE: nice to see Wandale. Ojulari just cant stay on the field  
M.S. : 9/21/2023 8:19 am : link
In comment 16214210 Victor in CT said:
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too bad but it's to the point now that they can't count on him at all.

I know there are no medals for trying but I think it will be a moral victory tonight if they manage not to get run out of the building and come out healthy with no new injuries.

Definitely a competitive game is a win for the Giants whether they win or lose. A blowout to a top-notch team just continues the pattern we've seen since last season.
seems like a bad  
fkap : 9/21/2023 9:03 am : link
game one decision to keep playing AT during a blowout.

Obviously, I don't know the particulars, and can't say if he made it worse by playing, but if it didn't get worse, and he can't go now, he shouldn't have continued playing. Or, he made it worse by continuing to play, in which case he shouldn't have continued playing.

It's possible they're chalking this up as a loss (like a lot of BBI), and are resting him. Maybe he would play if this was another AZ opponent.
This guy  
Carson53 : 9/21/2023 9:48 am : link
OLB Azeez Ojulari (Hamstring), always seems to be hurt. What a waste he is turning out to be.
RE: Shocking  
Carson53 : 9/21/2023 9:50 am : link
In comment 16213870 Optimus-NY said:
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What's the line on this game again? The Niners are gonna kick the Giants' teeth in.
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The Niners are favored by double digits, I don't have a lot of confidence in this game. How about a good showing at least?
RE: seems like a bad  
BigBlueShock : 9/21/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16214234 fkap said:
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game one decision to keep playing AT during a blowout.

Obviously, I don't know the particulars, and can't say if he made it worse by playing, but if it didn't get worse, and he can't go now, he shouldn't have continued playing. Or, he made it worse by continuing to play, in which case he shouldn't have continued playing.

It's possible they're chalking this up as a loss (like a lot of BBI), and are resting him. Maybe he would play if this was another AZ opponent.

It’s the smart decision. They have 10 days between games after tonight, don’t risk making it worse now when he will have a ton of time to make sure he’s ready to go
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christian : 9/21/2023 10:31 am : link
At the risk of being dismissive of some of the points made above, my guess is Thomas is simply hurt and can't play.

You only get 17 swings, and Daboll saw how quickly the tides turn for the Giants coach. The last 3 guys before him got two years. And the last guy to get to the playoffs didn't even make it through his second year.

I don't think Daboll is holding out players who are healthy just to be cautious. His job is to win games and get to the playoffs.

Thomas is arguably their best player, so I suspect when he's healthy he'll play.
the thing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/21/2023 10:34 am : link
about Azeez too is this... he keeps getting hurt in practice. We're not even talking about games here.
Problem with all the hurt guys  
HBart : 9/21/2023 10:38 am : link
Except Wan'dall is that you couldn't judge their progress anyway. Only walkthroughs between last game and this. Add in the flip side of the short week - the super long following week - and it's almost impossible to make any argument in favor of playing any of them.
So even Azeez  
HBart : 9/21/2023 10:41 am : link
Might have been ready to go in a normal week.

Even if he's better now he'd probably hurt it again walking off the plane anyway.
RE: Here's hoping new OC...  
Thegratefulhead : 9/21/2023 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16213960 bw in dc said:
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Daboll greenlights Jones to play fearlessly and he goes big game hunting with the passing game.
Troll :)

Fanning the flames of this helps the team how?

Can't we just say the HC did his job by overseeing the OC after 0-60 over 6 quarters. I suspect that after the success, Kafka will use Hyatt more and call some shots.

Working as intended, no?

Are you secretly Pat Leonard?

There is no need to press that narrative unless you are looking for clicks and impressions.
RE: They protected these guys in the pre-season  
Harvest Blend : 9/21/2023 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16213892 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and barely even played them. Barkley, in particular, didn't play a single snap in the pre-season. And even with all of that protecting, they still manage to geti njured in Game 2. It's unreal.


FWIW you can play the entire preseason and still be hurt in game 2.
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