SF dominated this game on paper but the Giants managed to keep it somewhat close until garbage time. Did anybody actually expect to win? To be more physical than the 49ers? To play their best with mediocre players and missing Thomas and SB?
Cmon guys the team just flat out isn’t good enough to win a game like this. Most predictable loss since Daboll took over
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The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
This reads like the comments after Joe Judge Giants losses.
Yeah not seeing the upside either. In particular the offense has been complete unable to compete on any level in the last three matchups against the cream of the NFC. I expect the D to be a work in progress
I thought they could take a step forward but not seeing it now. At this point the season should be about knowing the answers to key personnel questions by the end of the year.
you guys are upset, but this game was entirely predictable.
The Giants are not in the same league with the top teams in the NFL, and the 49ers are one of the top teams. We're going to see this with the Eagles too.
Indeed, at 10:30 a.m. today on Clams Casino's "Obviously we all WANT us to win tonight" I predicted 31-13.
the Giants just played two of the top defenses in the NFL, perhaps the top two units.
And yet you are scratching your heads why the NFL's second-youngest team, with a makeshift OL and its star running back out, had issues moving the ball?
Even if the Giants were completely healthy, they would have lost this game.
The 49ers are better on offense and defense. They were five years ago. Three years ago. This year.
Duh.
RE: RE: Why is “short week” a factor for the Giants
I'm actually surprised they played the 49ers tough through 3 quarters, while missing their 2 best players on offense. Chin up this isn't a 40-0 loss on opening night at home.
Rest up there some winnable games in the next 6
I disagree. The Giants didn’t play San Fran tough at all. The Giants were beaten into the turf early and often despite the close score in 3rd Qtr. It was no contest.
Because those teams are THAT much better than the Giants.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
RE: RE: Lot of players on the Giants that aren’t long for this team.
Yup. That 2022 draft was awful when you look at the return on draft capital.
Thibodeaux looks like a JAG
Neal is a bottom 2-3 RT
Robinson can't stay on the field, and we see guys with his skill level drafted on day 3 every year
Ezeudu couldn't beat out Glowinski. Maybe he's a depth piece/swing tackle
Flott...
Belton - not sure on him, but assuming he's not anything special.
Bellinger - decent blocker, 0 impact as a receiver. You can sign blocking TE's in July though.
Davidson - won't be here long IMO
McKethan - I don't see it.
This is the Giants biggest problem! This is why they are in the position they are in. They don't Draft well! They have been sucking ass drafting! Missing on Parsons??? Then this 2022 draft?? This Giants Org is lost. Meanwhile look at the Cowboys draft, look at the Eagles, and even Washington! This is why this team is in the dumps.
The Giants are making strides in the right direction, but they are not a top tier team. They are not going to be competitive against the 49ers. Two years ago this team was a bottom feeder. It is not that any longer, but two of the first three games were against top 10 teams. Those are not games this team will win.
You have to be patient. This team is a long way from a finished product.
The defense got their ass kicked. And our OL got bitched.
We are going in the direction from 2017-2021
SFs skill players are significantly better than our secondary, which includes 2 guys playing their 3rd NFL game. The poor tacking was the one thing that needs to be cleaned up, but Debo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle are much better than all of our back 7 by a wide margin.
Art Stapleton
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The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
It wasn't 40-0 which I guess is progress, but is he serious ?
What’s disturbing is that the “stars” of this team on defense are not making plays or showing development. Disappointing to say the least
I’m with you, Bernie. Complete reversal from last year. This D has a lot of talent and they are getting manhandled for stretches each game.
I am also very concerned with Thibs at this point. That play on the sideline where Banks was trying to make the tackle and Thibs looked disinclined to participate… bad, very bad.
Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
I thought the two 3rd and long conversions when it was 3-3 pretty much sealed the deal. We get the ball back and switch field position, we might be in a much spot.
Thought they’d keep it close and they did up to a certain point. But a undermanned offense and playing against some obvious home cooking, we didn’t have much of a chance. Also we really can’t tackle for shit.
Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
The Giants are making strides in the right direction, but they are not a top tier team. They are not going to be competitive against the 49ers. Two years ago this team was a bottom feeder. It is not that any longer, but two of the first three games were against top 10 teams. Those are not games this team will win.
You have to be patient. This team is a long way from a finished product.
Even more than that, what were some of these Giants fans thinking. The backup left guard was playing LT. The left guard was a third stringer. The center is a rookie. The RG was making his second start after having a grand total of about 10 snaps in the preseason as his only experience after missing all of last year. And a struggling Neal was at RT.
Not to mention one of the top 5 RBs in football was out. And they got behind early and San Fran didn't care about the run. To be honest, I'm ecstatic Jones didn't get killed.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
It wasn't 40-0 which I guess is progress, but is he serious ?
Ned —- I thought the statement was just outright bizarre. I said earlier it seems like he didn’t actually see the game.
The biggest problem to me is the defense. They are young, but their problems aren't really mistakes made because they are young.
It's missed tackles and being pushed all over the place. I hate to use the soft word because it's often overused. But they do seem to fit the description of it so far.
With Dallas and SF I don’t know what to tell you. They will beat bad teams and compete with average teams, but they are not going to be competitive with the top tier teams.
Missing their All Pro LT, starting G, no Saquon playing against an elite D with an elite DL. The coaches are not Houdini. There is simply no play calling that can overcome that talent disparity.
The D and their tackling on the other hand is another story.
However they've played 2 of the top 3 teams in football in 3 games. To be talking about putting Daboll and Schoen on the hot seat is more laughable than the Giants play right now.
We finally got some sacks, but it’s so intermittent.
Once again we can’t stop the run. All those DL guys aren’t doing shit at shoring up the run D. We are bullied all over, on both sides. We need a playmaker on D so bad it’s funny,
Once again we have a makeshift OL who can’t block for 2.5 seconds. Campbell is a waste. He must lead the league on 0-3 yard catches.
period. Until Giants do this year over year with clear strategy on talent and development it won’t make a difference with baby steps and moral victories.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
period. Until Giants do this year over year with clear strategy on talent and development it won’t make a difference with baby steps and moral victories.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
I thought the two 3rd and long conversions when it was 3-3 pretty much sealed the deal. We get the ball back and switch field position, we might be in a much spot.
Thought they’d keep it close and they did up to a certain point. But a undermanned offense and playing against some obvious home cooking, we didn’t have much of a chance. Also we really can’t tackle for shit.
Dead on. Those 3rd and long conversions were like two successive gut shots!!!
Cmon guys the team just flat out isn’t good enough to win a game like this. Most predictable loss since Daboll took over
and Breida ran hard.
Other than these two guys, the Giants individually and collectively as a team were beaten into the ground by a far superior team.
Any other players I should add to the Breida/McFadden list? Our punter? Our place kicker? John-Michael Schmidt?
Carl Banks said he counted 10 missed tackles by McFadden...I saw McFadden drew 2 penaltys and he made some plays
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Art Stapleton
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The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
This reads like the comments after Joe Judge Giants losses.
Yeah not seeing the upside either. In particular the offense has been complete unable to compete on any level in the last three matchups against the cream of the NFC. I expect the D to be a work in progress
I thought they could take a step forward but not seeing it now. At this point the season should be about knowing the answers to key personnel questions by the end of the year.
The Giants are not in the same league with the top teams in the NFL, and the 49ers are one of the top teams. We're going to see this with the Eagles too.
Indeed, at 10:30 a.m. today on Clams Casino's "Obviously we all WANT us to win tonight" I predicted 31-13.
And yet you are scratching your heads why the NFL's second-youngest team, with a makeshift OL and its star running back out, had issues moving the ball?
Even if the Giants were completely healthy, they would have lost this game.
The 49ers are better on offense and defense. They were five years ago. Three years ago. This year.
Duh.
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When San Fran also played on a short week?
The road team on Thursday night football is always at a huge disadvantage. Everyone knows this.
Actually road teams do pretty well on TNF. Better winning percentage than road teams on MNF over the same period.
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When San Fran also played on a short week?
Giants were on the road for 5-6 days, while the Niners returned home from LA.
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And some are Schoen picks.
Truth hurts.
Yup. That 2022 draft was awful when you look at the return on draft capital.
Thibodeaux looks like a JAG
Neal is a bottom 2-3 RT
Robinson can't stay on the field, and we see guys with his skill level drafted on day 3 every year
Ezeudu couldn't beat out Glowinski. Maybe he's a depth piece/swing tackle
Flott...
Belton - not sure on him, but assuming he's not anything special.
Bellinger - decent blocker, 0 impact as a receiver. You can sign blocking TE's in July though.
Davidson - won't be here long IMO
McKethan - I don't see it.
Hard to argue with this...
Well, I like Flott.... that's all I got
Rest up there some winnable games in the next 6
I disagree. The Giants didn’t play San Fran tough at all. The Giants were beaten into the turf early and often despite the close score in 3rd Qtr. It was no contest.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
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And some are Schoen picks.
Truth hurts.
Yup. That 2022 draft was awful when you look at the return on draft capital.
Thibodeaux looks like a JAG
Neal is a bottom 2-3 RT
Robinson can't stay on the field, and we see guys with his skill level drafted on day 3 every year
Ezeudu couldn't beat out Glowinski. Maybe he's a depth piece/swing tackle
Flott...
Belton - not sure on him, but assuming he's not anything special.
Bellinger - decent blocker, 0 impact as a receiver. You can sign blocking TE's in July though.
Davidson - won't be here long IMO
McKethan - I don't see it.
This is the Giants biggest problem! This is why they are in the position they are in. They don't Draft well! They have been sucking ass drafting! Missing on Parsons??? Then this 2022 draft?? This Giants Org is lost. Meanwhile look at the Cowboys draft, look at the Eagles, and even Washington! This is why this team is in the dumps.
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The Giants are making strides in the right direction, but they are not a top tier team. They are not going to be competitive against the 49ers. Two years ago this team was a bottom feeder. It is not that any longer, but two of the first three games were against top 10 teams. Those are not games this team will win.
You have to be patient. This team is a long way from a finished product.
The defense got their ass kicked. And our OL got bitched.
We are going in the direction from 2017-2021
SFs skill players are significantly better than our secondary, which includes 2 guys playing their 3rd NFL game. The poor tacking was the one thing that needs to be cleaned up, but Debo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle are much better than all of our back 7 by a wide margin.
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was a huge factor in the Cardinals win. He had six second-half first down catches.
Again, you guys are overreacting to a predictable loss.
Waller has 9 catches for 112 yards in 3 games.
That's almost as good as Deebo Samuel tonight.
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The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
It wasn't 40-0 which I guess is progress, but is he serious ?
Name some QBs who would have done much better with the pass protection Jones was afforded.
Go ahead.
Haha, token asshole. You should stick to your day job.
Jones and the entire offense was so tentative because the o-line was over-powered time and time again.
if our line doesn't learn how to block worth a shit, we're going to lose a LOT more games.
I’m with you, Bernie. Complete reversal from last year. This D has a lot of talent and they are getting manhandled for stretches each game.
I am also very concerned with Thibs at this point. That play on the sideline where Banks was trying to make the tackle and Thibs looked disinclined to participate… bad, very bad.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
Outscored 77-6 in first halves of three games cumulatively.
Thought they’d keep it close and they did up to a certain point. But a undermanned offense and playing against some obvious home cooking, we didn’t have much of a chance. Also we really can’t tackle for shit.
Need better LBs. Need more talent on DL.
49ers had talent and reloaded well.
Giants are a better team but they're not there yet. Improvement in the league is often not linear.
I'd rather have the 49ers win than the Eagles. But, I'm not sure the 49ers will beat them when it counts.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
You have to be patient. This team is a long way from a finished product.
Even more than that, what were some of these Giants fans thinking. The backup left guard was playing LT. The left guard was a third stringer. The center is a rookie. The RG was making his second start after having a grand total of about 10 snaps in the preseason as his only experience after missing all of last year. And a struggling Neal was at RT.
Not to mention one of the top 5 RBs in football was out. And they got behind early and San Fran didn't care about the run. To be honest, I'm ecstatic Jones didn't get killed.
That’s non-competitive and Schoen needs to get that fixed.
DUDE ITS THE DEFENSE! /red
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Art Stapleton
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The Giants are down 30-12 and this sounds crazy to say, but this has been an encouraging performance, relatively speaking, that this team might be able to develop into something after all despite such a brutal start to the year.
They competed on a short week. No moral victories, but didn't back down, either.
It wasn't 40-0 which I guess is progress, but is he serious ?
Ned —- I thought the statement was just outright bizarre. I said earlier it seems like he didn’t actually see the game.
It's missed tackles and being pushed all over the place. I hate to use the soft word because it's often overused. But they do seem to fit the description of it so far.
Give…it..some…time.
He’s 11-2-1 against everyone else.
Stat is wrong. Giants lost to SEA, DET and MIN last year.
It's also meaningless.
The D and their tackling on the other hand is another story.
However they've played 2 of the top 3 teams in football in 3 games. To be talking about putting Daboll and Schoen on the hot seat is more laughable than the Giants play right now.
We finally got some sacks, but it’s so intermittent.
Once again we can’t stop the run. All those DL guys aren’t doing shit at shoring up the run D. We are bullied all over, on both sides. We need a playmaker on D so bad it’s funny,
Once again we have a makeshift OL who can’t block for 2.5 seconds. Campbell is a waste. He must lead the league on 0-3 yard catches.
So frustrating.
This team is fighting for a wild card, at best.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
Totally Agree...
Thought they’d keep it close and they did up to a certain point. But a undermanned offense and playing against some obvious home cooking, we didn’t have much of a chance. Also we really can’t tackle for shit.
Dead on. Those 3rd and long conversions were like two successive gut shots!!!
Most depressing takeaway so far this season is that neither Neal nor Thibs has made that 2nd year leap we were all hoping for.