Because those teams are THAT much better than the Giants.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
You answered my question. You're not getting this.
With Dallas and SF I don’t know what to tell you. They will beat bad teams and compete with average teams, but they are not going to be competitive with the top tier teams.
Give…it..some…time.
It’s the fruits of irrational optimism. Some people convinced themselves, for no apparent reason, that this team would be a legit contender this year. Those people are now acting out because reality has slapped them in the face.
the Giants just played two of the top defenses in the NFL, perhaps the top two units.
And yet you are scratching your heads why the NFL's second-youngest team, with a makeshift OL and its star running back out, had issues moving the ball?
Even if the Giants were completely healthy, they would have lost this game.
The 49ers are better on offense and defense. They were five years ago. Three years ago. This year.
Duh.
This seems so obvious to me. I actually think some units performed better for larger stretches of the game then I expected.
We MAYBE had one unit (NYG dline vs SF oline) where we had an advantage on paper coming into the game. Every other unit was a skewed heavily towards SF.
Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
You see a 4-13 season? If that's the case they better be drafting a QB and eating that Jones contract after next season. That would be a disaster. I do not see that happening. The floor is probably six wins to me.
That's about how much better they are. In almost every position, they have superior players and better depth. If they had Daniel Jones or better at QB, they might be good candidates for the Lombardi.
Because those teams are THAT much better than the Giants.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
You answered my question. You're not getting this.
It’s not one game Eric. They’ve have one good half of football all year.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
I agree with this and don't think it's talked about enough. I like Schoen and do think he can be a successful GM. But it's not unfair to point up most of his draft picks and frankly most of his trades and FA signings haven't contributed much of anything.
It's not unreasonable to expect a higher level of contribution from the moves made after 2 full offseasons and drafts. Especially being handed the 5 and 7 pick in your first draft.
The roughing the passer penalty and the PI for a shove just screwed
They have no way earned it. Mckinney has regressed since the injury and Azeez is Mr. Softee
I would agree with this. McKinney has been playing really soft. Our entire secondary seems to want tackle by standing straight up and grabbing shoulder pads. No idea what that is about, but it is is almost everyone.
That's about how much better they are. In almost every position, they have superior players and better depth. If they had Daniel Jones or better at QB, they might be good candidates for the Lombardi.
Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
You see a 4-13 season? If that's the case they better be drafting a QB and eating that Jones contract after next season. That would be a disaster. I do not see that happening. The floor is probably six wins to me.
This team has massive talent deficits still in critical areas. It’s relying on rookie CBs and has problems at LB and generating edge pass rush on defense. Recipe for an ineffective defense every time. I don’t care how good the DTs are.
The OL looks years away from a reliable cohesive unit still and our playmaking group sucks.
The coaching is better but I see playcalling on both sides that admits there is a lack of comfort with the talent they have and unwillingness to trust being aggressive.
Some of the reactions here are almost as predictable as the outcome itself.
We didn’t have our LT and arguably our best playmaker and we were down 17-12 before the wheels came off. We competed tonight. If we are all being honest we should be thankful there weren’t any major injuries (guess we haven’t heard on Banks) and just move on to Seattle.
Daboll essentially requested this game and I don’t blame him. Get it out of the way and move along. It’s a long season and we have to get to 4-4 somehow.
They can get better though. But they gotta give themselves a chance to get better by not getting buried by this early schedule. Not stealing a win here means they have to win in this next stretch, which also isn’t a cake walk. Bare minimum is a split. Best shot at that is next game where it’s probably a Vegas pickem or -1 dog situation depending on how Seattle looks Sunday. But it’s a spot the giants need to win now.
RE: Not giving a second contract to Azeez or Mckinney
Giants are a better team but they're not there yet. Improvement in the league is often not linear.
I'd rather have the 49ers win than the Eagles. But, I'm not sure the 49ers will beat them when it counts.
Are they better though? I’m not so sure. I see a lot of young, unproven guys. Recent history tells me to not count chickens before my eggs hatch. I may be pessimistic but thats what this team has done to me over the last 10 years.
Right now I wouldn’t call Ojulari (2nd round pick), McKinney (2nd round pick), Wandale Robinson (2nd round pick) KT or Neal (1st round picks) elite talents. Also wouldn’t call anyone busts but the point is I just named 5 guys picked in the first two rounds who are question marks to varying degrees.
You have no idea if either of the rookie CB’s are gonna be good yet.
If the names above don’t become impact players don’t pan out this team will stay behind the curve. Very behind the curve.
We spend a lot of time arguing here so want to note I completely agree with your last post. I think the team can beat Seattle in 10 days. The staff was great at improving players over the course of 2022. They need to do it again. The season starts now.
RE: There is no way to grade the offense tonight other than incomplete
Missing their All Pro LT, starting G, no Saquon playing against an elite D with an elite DL. The coaches are not Houdini. There is simply no play calling that can overcome that talent disparity.
The D and their tackling on the other hand is another story.
However they've played 2 of the top 3 teams in football in 3 games. To be talking about putting Daboll and Schoen on the hot seat is more laughable than the Giants play right now.
It’s the fruits of irrational optimism. Some people convinced themselves, for no apparent reason, that this team would be a legit contender this year. Those people are now acting out because reality has slapped them in the face.
I'm certainly not an irrational optimist, but I got encouraged by the off-season.
Besides some personnel adds, I was more convinced that we finally had the type of smart football people you need in key spots: GM and HC.
Still early, but I may need to revisit that thought at some point... ;)
I actually were pleased we hung in they will learn from this one
Do the people who claim that went about as expected actually watch or just see the scoreboard?
Does anyone understand how many missed tackles we had?
Is it possible that our expectations are so low that we are borderline Houston Texans?
Is it possible that last years success was a mirage, because
what I am watching is very similar to the last 7 or 8 years...we expect Barkley and Thomas to make a difference?
We are and have been a team that has lead the league in injuries year after year...no different this year and we are 3 games into the season
Yes, there were the screens on 3rd down and some poor tackling. But, I thought they showed some signs of coming together. I expect an inspired performance against Seattle.
We spend a lot of time arguing here so want to note I completely agree with your last post. I think the team can beat Seattle in 10 days. The staff was great at improving players over the course of 2022. They need to do it again. The season starts now.
Good stuff.
I get getting our asses kicked by Dallas sucked. Losing tonight sucked. Couple calls and plays go our way I tend to think this game is a lot closer than 30-12. Wasn’t too impressed with Purdy, they really don’t ask him to do much.
I get the OL was super undermanned but I was pretty disappointed with the offensive game plan. Seems we should have been in no huddle from the jump and we just couldn’t get any rhythm.
They can’t compete with the best teams with this roster. They generally beat everyone else. Tonight was no exception. [/quote]
Over under wins for NYG for 2023 was 7.5 at every betting house. And they were only actually favored in 6 of their 17 games, before the Rodgers' injury.
Which wouldn't be true if "they generally beat everyone else" was any kind of meaningful predictive statement.
I have a problem with the fact that they don't even do anything well. Offense, defense, running game, pass rush, stopping the run, pass blocking. All shit.
This is a 5 win team this year at best. Yes, the schedule is difficult, but there are a lot of good teams out there and not many dogs. I thought we would be measurably better this year even if the record was same or a bit worse.
And to add insult to injury, my most hated teams are all very good or at least better, and we won't even be able to hope for an upset against any of them. We'll be 0-6 against Dallas, SF, Jets, Philly.
And we'll get to see another prime time embarrassment next week again. Oh fucking joy.
We have 0 game changing difference makers on this team outside of Barkley.
The defense is soft. It’s like they don’t want to tackle and they fear contact.
Waller has been disappointing
Receivers outside of wandale and Hyatt are all jags and those 2 are based off potential
Then we get to our continuous dog shit oline.
I just don’t see any teams on the schedule that we are able to beat
The game was “never competitive?” It was a one score game in the middle of the 3rd quarter we didn’t have our best player on our roster and our best playmaker.
I get the end result was poor but to say it was never competitive is not fair at all. They were in the game man.
With two of the best players at their position out and the OL just can't afford to be missing AT or really anyone now against one of the leagues best DLs. Maybe later in the season it would be different - look at the total number of games the OL started.
If you're building an OL with young players they have to play. You'd prefer it wasn't all together at this point.
f they don't pan out, that will suck. But expecting these guys with 30 total games under their belt to look great against SF is unrealistic.
As it was, the 49ers got 4-5 more high impact breaks than we did and made some plays. They're a great team. At home. It was going to take a perfect game.
The poor tackling, Campbell and Darren Smaller are the big disappointments today.
getting a lot more reps than Jalin Hyatt? Campbell had 6 catches for 24 yards, but he offers nothing. He's not as fast as advertised, when he catches the ball he falls right away and he plays soft.
Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
RE: I don't know the snap counts, but was why Paris Campbell
getting a lot more reps than Jalin Hyatt? Campbell had 6 catches for 24 yards, but he offers nothing. He's not as fast as advertised, when he catches the ball he falls right away and he plays soft.
I was thinking the same thing to myself all game, and I'm hopeful they do phase Hyatt in to replace him.
The actual answer is they trust Campbell not to royally screw up, and also WR is tougher to learn in the NFL than one may think (unless you're a beast like Ja'Marr Chase).
Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
Probably because we could have had several interceptions, we bailed them out on stupid 3rd and longs, and there were some bad calls.
But I agree with you, we got dominated, but it's ok, at least we didn't get embarrassed.
Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
Probably because we could have had several interceptions, we bailed them out on stupid 3rd and longs, and there were some bad calls.
But I agree with you, we got dominated, but it's ok, at least we didn't get embarrassed.
I'd say it was fairly embarrassing the way we tried to tackle.
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Because those teams are THAT much better than the Giants.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
You answered my question. You're not getting this.
This team is fighting for a wild card, at best.
Not if they keep losing guys to injury. There is no depth at LB or in secondary. They have no pass rush at Edge right now.
Give…it..some…time.
It’s the fruits of irrational optimism. Some people convinced themselves, for no apparent reason, that this team would be a legit contender this year. Those people are now acting out because reality has slapped them in the face.
And yet you are scratching your heads why the NFL's second-youngest team, with a makeshift OL and its star running back out, had issues moving the ball?
Even if the Giants were completely healthy, they would have lost this game.
The 49ers are better on offense and defense. They were five years ago. Three years ago. This year.
Duh.
This seems so obvious to me. I actually think some units performed better for larger stretches of the game then I expected.
We MAYBE had one unit (NYG dline vs SF oline) where we had an advantage on paper coming into the game. Every other unit was a skewed heavily towards SF.
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Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
You see a 4-13 season? If that's the case they better be drafting a QB and eating that Jones contract after next season. That would be a disaster. I do not see that happening. The floor is probably six wins to me.
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Because those teams are THAT much better than the Giants.
How are you not getting this?
So the HOW is everyone overreacting to one game then? They’ve played two good quarters all year. If you take out the second half vs the tanking Cardinals they’ve been outscored 90-12.
You answered my question. You're not getting this.
It’s not one game Eric. They’ve have one good half of football all year.
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Daboll is 0-7 versus PHI, DAL, & SF
He’s 11-2-1 against everyone else.
Stat is wrong. Giants lost to SEA, DET and MIN last year.
It's also meaningless.
11-3-1. Big fucking mistake.
They can’t compete with the best teams with this roster. They generally beat everyone else. Tonight was no exception.
Two drafts in under new regime and I’m really frankly a bit concerned.
I agree with this and don't think it's talked about enough. I like Schoen and do think he can be a successful GM. But it's not unfair to point up most of his draft picks and frankly most of his trades and FA signings haven't contributed much of anything.
It's not unreasonable to expect a higher level of contribution from the moves made after 2 full offseasons and drafts. Especially being handed the 5 and 7 pick in your first draft.
We competed and lost to a better team but this game could have been much closer
I would agree with this. McKinney has been playing really soft. Our entire secondary seems to want tackle by standing straight up and grabbing shoulder pads. No idea what that is about, but it is is almost everyone.
They already are good candidates for the Lombardi
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Giants are 1-2. SF probably the best roster in the NFL and NYG didn't have Thomas or Barkley.
NYG is not near SF/Dallas/Philly, but the drop off after that is massive in the NFC. A successful season is going to be a wild card which will be 9-10 wins. Can they get there? Maybe. But, nothing that has happened so far would give any definitive answer to that.
Need to beat Seattle.
This team will be lucky to get six wins. I can easily see a 4 win season.
You see a 4-13 season? If that's the case they better be drafting a QB and eating that Jones contract after next season. That would be a disaster. I do not see that happening. The floor is probably six wins to me.
This team has massive talent deficits still in critical areas. It’s relying on rookie CBs and has problems at LB and generating edge pass rush on defense. Recipe for an ineffective defense every time. I don’t care how good the DTs are.
The OL looks years away from a reliable cohesive unit still and our playmaking group sucks.
The coaching is better but I see playcalling on both sides that admits there is a lack of comfort with the talent they have and unwillingness to trust being aggressive.
Many of us predicted this. Worse record despite better roster.
+1.
We didn’t have our LT and arguably our best playmaker and we were down 17-12 before the wheels came off. We competed tonight. If we are all being honest we should be thankful there weren’t any major injuries (guess we haven’t heard on Banks) and just move on to Seattle.
Daboll essentially requested this game and I don’t blame him. Get it out of the way and move along. It’s a long season and we have to get to 4-4 somehow.
He wasn't even playing that great before his hand injury. Definitely not as good as he was in 2021.
Need better LBs. Need more talent on DL.
49ers had talent and reloaded well.
Giants are a better team but they're not there yet. Improvement in the league is often not linear.
I'd rather have the 49ers win than the Eagles. But, I'm not sure the 49ers will beat them when it counts.
Are they better though? I’m not so sure. I see a lot of young, unproven guys. Recent history tells me to not count chickens before my eggs hatch. I may be pessimistic but thats what this team has done to me over the last 10 years.
Right now I wouldn’t call Ojulari (2nd round pick), McKinney (2nd round pick), Wandale Robinson (2nd round pick) KT or Neal (1st round picks) elite talents. Also wouldn’t call anyone busts but the point is I just named 5 guys picked in the first two rounds who are question marks to varying degrees.
You have no idea if either of the rookie CB’s are gonna be good yet.
If the names above don’t become impact players don’t pan out this team will stay behind the curve. Very behind the curve.
One trick pony…
Like someone lese said - Waller may have a hamstring. If so, he may have it all year.
The D and their tackling on the other hand is another story.
However they've played 2 of the top 3 teams in football in 3 games. To be talking about putting Daboll and Schoen on the hot seat is more laughable than the Giants play right now.
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It’s the fruits of irrational optimism. Some people convinced themselves, for no apparent reason, that this team would be a legit contender this year. Those people are now acting out because reality has slapped them in the face.
I'm certainly not an irrational optimist, but I got encouraged by the off-season.
Besides some personnel adds, I was more convinced that we finally had the type of smart football people you need in key spots: GM and HC.
Still early, but I may need to revisit that thought at some point... ;)
He's not a free agent you dope
Do the people who claim that went about as expected actually watch or just see the scoreboard?
Does anyone understand how many missed tackles we had?
Is it possible that our expectations are so low that we are borderline Houston Texans?
Is it possible that last years success was a mirage, because
what I am watching is very similar to the last 7 or 8 years...we expect Barkley and Thomas to make a difference?
We are and have been a team that has lead the league in injuries year after year...no different this year and we are 3 games into the season
One trick pony…
I laughed at that too.
Good stuff.
I get getting our asses kicked by Dallas sucked. Losing tonight sucked. Couple calls and plays go our way I tend to think this game is a lot closer than 30-12. Wasn’t too impressed with Purdy, they really don’t ask him to do much.
I get the OL was super undermanned but I was pretty disappointed with the offensive game plan. Seems we should have been in no huddle from the jump and we just couldn’t get any rhythm.
Like someone lese said - Waller may have a hamstring. If so, he may have it all year.
Tiki said he can play with it, but in a way where he doesn’t try to explode out of breaks or truly open up.
11-3-1. Big fucking mistake.
They can’t compete with the best teams with this roster. They generally beat everyone else. Tonight was no exception. [/quote]
Over under wins for NYG for 2023 was 7.5 at every betting house. And they were only actually favored in 6 of their 17 games, before the Rodgers' injury.
Which wouldn't be true if "they generally beat everyone else" was any kind of meaningful predictive statement.
This is a 5 win team this year at best. Yes, the schedule is difficult, but there are a lot of good teams out there and not many dogs. I thought we would be measurably better this year even if the record was same or a bit worse.
And to add insult to injury, my most hated teams are all very good or at least better, and we won't even be able to hope for an upset against any of them. We'll be 0-6 against Dallas, SF, Jets, Philly.
And we'll get to see another prime time embarrassment next week again. Oh fucking joy.
We have 0 game changing difference makers on this team outside of Barkley.
The defense is soft. It’s like they don’t want to tackle and they fear contact.
Waller has been disappointing
Receivers outside of wandale and Hyatt are all jags and those 2 are based off potential
Then we get to our continuous dog shit oline.
I just don’t see any teams on the schedule that we are able to beat
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The game was “never competitive?” It was a one score game in the middle of the 3rd quarter we didn’t have our best player on our roster and our best playmaker.
I get the end result was poor but to say it was never competitive is not fair at all. They were in the game man.
If you're building an OL with young players they have to play. You'd prefer it wasn't all together at this point.
f they don't pan out, that will suck. But expecting these guys with 30 total games under their belt to look great against SF is unrealistic.
As it was, the 49ers got 4-5 more high impact breaks than we did and made some plays. They're a great team. At home. It was going to take a perfect game.
The poor tackling, Campbell and Darren Smaller are the big disappointments today.
Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
I was thinking the same thing to myself all game, and I'm hopeful they do phase Hyatt in to replace him.
The actual answer is they trust Campbell not to royally screw up, and also WR is tougher to learn in the NFL than one may think (unless you're a beast like Ja'Marr Chase).
Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
Probably because we could have had several interceptions, we bailed them out on stupid 3rd and longs, and there were some bad calls.
But I agree with you, we got dominated, but it's ok, at least we didn't get embarrassed.
Tired of the same excuses, game after game.
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Giants had 150 yards. Really confused why some believe the Giants were in this game? Because they were only down by 6-8 points in the third quarter? San Fran was in total control from beginning to end. That’s just the way it is.
Probably because we could have had several interceptions, we bailed them out on stupid 3rd and longs, and there were some bad calls.
But I agree with you, we got dominated, but it's ok, at least we didn't get embarrassed.
I'd say it was fairly embarrassing the way we tried to tackle.
This.
How many fumbles result from strips vs. jarring hits.
I heard also pressuring the QB can result in that thing, wait, oh yeah. Interceptions.